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Originally Posted by manndl
@OP if u want to get better listen to some grinders that are having better results than u.
they are probably trying to help u.
but your big ego to the side and listen,that can only help your game
ps:1-2 k$ winnings are just looooool anyway.
The last line and sentence of your post is a example of the kind of BBV like attitude that others have showed in their post.
BBV like trolling,attitude,snidely like, post are not helpful post, that are trying to help.
rather they are:" lol your so bad, I am so good, so I am going to berate you, put you down, make fun of you,arbitarily say I am right and you are wrong, not use logic,reason, demand you do it my way, and not your dumbass way,I am going to be snidely,sarcastic,call you names,troll you,etc"
thats what they are doing, and or even if thats not what they are doing, and not their intent, thats how they are coming across, and how they are being without realizing it.
thats both not wanted and not needed. And this rail thread is not the place for their BBV like crap. And they can take their BBV like crap back to BBV.
It doesnt matter if they were so good to play with millions. mIts not their qualifications that are the probelm, its their METHODOLOGY of how they communicate or lack thereof that is the probelm.
As an example of what I am talking about
: You dont see LO doing their crap. LO is a pretty dam good winning player that plays for a hell of a lot of money. I have sweated watched him take down cashes in just 1 of the $100 to $200 tourneys he regularly plays in that absolutely dwarfs the $1675 I grinded up from $25.
But has he ever said that me grinding $25 to $1675 is no big deal in 1 years time, in my spare time, at low volume, is no big deal? No. He has acknowledged that I have improved, and am actually a pretty good player that is much better then many like you and others give me credit for.
And me and LO have talked poker strategy in the past, and now in this thread, and does he do what you and others do in a BBV like way. No. what he does is something like this: Hey Mike I think you played that last hand bad, or misplayed it, or that your logic was flawed on that last hand, and here is why I think that, blah blah blah.
Then I usually say something like well LO the reason why I played it like that, is blah blah blah. thats not getting overdefensive, or arguing, or saying I am right and LO and others is wrong, and thats how I am going to play it. No thats not what I am doing, I am just explaining the ins and outs, the nuances, and logic, on why I played it the way I played it.
Now after that does LO react in the same bad way you and others react. No he doesnt. He doesnt say arbitarily your wrong Mike and I am right, just dont do it that way, do it my way. What he does is something like this:
"well mike I understand why you played it like that. but your logic is flawed mike, and here is why, you see when blah blah blah, LO then challeneges my logic in a good excellent way. He shows why it is wrong,Shows why his way makes sense, then convinces, and persuades that he is right and I am wrong, and that I shoudl do it that way in the future in a similar situation comes up.
This is also how my backer dwiele, and NOFX, brownie attack, and giggle girl the coach I had does it as well.
Now a good example of how not to do things, the trolls who are posting here.
and a guy called supbates who self appointed himself as my coach, even though I really did not want him as a coach. He was always like "lol your so bad, your a dumbass, I am right, you are wrong, I am a winning player, your are a losing player, I command and demand that you do it my way right now, and that you not question me and not question the way I do things"
Is it any wonder then why I didnt follow him who had a GOD complex stick, personaility, attitude, and why I didnt listen to him?
I am not a mindless robot, who will just do what he is told, without question.
Also its better to understand why you are doing something then to be a mindless zombie robot, doing something.
Gigglegirl the coach I had understood that, and thats why he was such a effective good coach.
And LO and others understand that as well.
So if you and others want to help me as you put it, then lose the BBV attitude, and post and communicate more like LO, NOFX, Brownie attack,Dwiele, and Gigglegirl the coach I had.
Also I am much better then you give me credit for, I have read books like Harrington on hold em, full tilt poker tourney edition green book, Super system, Bond 18's series of articles collected into a book like collection, and Shaun Deeb's 180 man sit n go guide, and many other poker articles and books, in,at the FTP database.
I have watched many instructional poker videos, at stox, card runners, bluff magazine, cardplayers, leggo poker, FTP.
I have been coached.
I have had years of playing experience.
And while grinding $25 into $1675, in spare time, may not seem like anything good to you, keep in mind that if I had quadrupled my volume, I would have made $5k to $10k in 1 years time, instead of $1675
Also grinding a bankroll according to good bankroll management in your spare time at low volume, both takes a while, but also the longer you go occasionally exponentially increases.
example say you start with $15. Ok you slowly grind that into $200, no big deal right? Not it is a big deal, because now you can play $2 to $4 buy ins which means with bigger pay outs you can slowly grind that $200 into $1675 after a while or long time. No big deal right? wrong, its is a big deal, because now you can play $9 to $13 buy ins, and after a while you can slowly grind $1675 into $15,000 no big deal right? wrong. Now you can play $25 to $65 buy ins, and so now you can slowly grind up to $50k to 75k nno big deal right? wrong because now you can play $150 to $300 buy ins so then you gradually grind up to $200k
If black friday had not happened, and if I had been able to increase my volume, then I might probably have been able to slowly gradually over 1 or 2 years time grind up to $15k to $25k at mininum to $35k to $50k at maximum
so thats why grinding $25 to $1675 in my spare time is good. because it was a good big step towards $15k to $25k over a 1 to 2 year period of time.
Also I seriously doubt that you and others started at $25. You and others probably just deposited $1000 to $2000 and then grinded that up to $$10k to $100k, which is good.
But try going from zero to $5k, or from $15 to $25 micro stakes to $5k, I think you will find that just as hard as going from $2000 to $17k
(reason for the $5k number is if I had increased my volume, instead of grinding in my spare time, I probably would have grinded $5k instead of $1675)
after all Chris Ferguson did his zero to 10k thing, and for 4 to 7 months he went thru a extremely bad bad run, and it took him about 1 year and a half to go from zero to 10k
So the point of what I said, is dont be so quick to put down the good things others have done, and say oh thats nothing. It may be nothing to you, but it is something to others.
Last edited by Mikeal_DH; 09-12-2011 at 06:42 PM.