Not only did I take a lot of trainwreck beats, cooler beats, bad beats, coinflip beats, all before the the add on break.

Then the following crap bs happened 4 handed at the final table.

I shove 13 x B tsack with AQ suited, then get called by AT suited, and get bad beated down to 1.5 BB stack. Its not just this bad beat, but this bad beat and string of crap before the add onbreak, and after this bad beat thats just BS.

I mean if it was only this 1 bad beat, then altho this beat helped keep me from winning $50 in the tourney, it wasnt that bad, because cant fault the AT suited call. It was a good call.

The crap is that the big stacks started to let me and the other short stacks have our blinds. And when I shoved, they would fold, except for the 1 time where I shoved, wide, but still got it in ahead and doubled up.

This might sound good, seeing as I got up to about 33k stack. But then they started doing the same for the other 10k shorty stack. The Big Huge stacks had every opportunity to take me and the other guy out. And they didnt

It was almost as if the Big stacks were chip dumping to the shorty stacks to help the under dog, type of thing. And while I appreciated that helped me to survive getting knocked down to 1.5 x BB, it also kept me from moving up to 3rd place, because they just wouldnt take the other shorty shorty stack out.

And because of that I eventually shoved 96 suited on the BB when big stack limped A6 suited on the SB, and out I went, in 4th place, all because they the big stacks wouldnt take out the other shorty stack.

I mean it was so ridiculous. example of how bad it was Big stack has 90k chips, and is on the 5k BB. Shorty stack only has like 13 to 17k stack, that he then shoves. everyone folds to 90k big stack on the BB. with the blinds and antes, and shorty 13k stack shove, 90k big stack is getting like 3.5 to 1 pot odds to call wih anything. But he folds.

And he didnt just do that 1 time, he did that kind of crap thing like 3 to 5 times. I mean its understandable, that 1 or 2 times, he might have 72 off on the BB, and doesnt want to call, and thus folds.

But at least 1 time out of the 3 to 5 times he did that, I am pretty sure he is folding a good hand, and is just being "NICE" to the shorty stack to allow the shorty to survive.

And that "niceness" cost me a 3rd or 2nd place finish.

And if that was the only thing, then just like the AQ vs AT all in preflop bad beat thing, if taken all by itself, its not that big a deal.

It when all this bs crap before and after the Add on break, and at the final table is all combined together into a huge ass bunch of bs bad luck crap during the tourney thats BS.

If it werent for my incredibly goiod play, and the fact that the tourney was a rebuy, and a miracle, I wouldnt have even cashed, despite all the BS that I took in the tourney.

But at least I cashed for $13.92, in the $1 rebuy $100 GTD.

1 $1 buy in, 1 $1 add on at the start, 2 $1 rebuys, 1 $1 add on at the add on break. Total: $5 played

finished 3rd for $32 in the $2 rebuy $200 GTD raised A9 suited from the button. BB reraised, I shoved, lost to AQ 3 handed

$2 buy in, 1 $2 rebuy, 1 $2 add on at the add on break. Total cost: $6

out in the $3 $200 GTD. Blinds were 50/100. I had a 12k stack. I had QT suited on the BB. DONK limps AQ suited in late position behind 6 other limpers on a limp happy passive table, unlikely to pay his limp trap off.

I check on the BB.

Flop is x Q x x = little to mid cards

I check, early position limper raises to 500, AQ flat calls. I check reraise the 500 raise up to 1150. early position raiser flats, AQ donk limper flats.

Turn: xQx x, I now have a flush draw and a gutshot straight draw, and top pair of Q's mid kicker.

I bet out about 2/5th's pot at about 1350 to 1750, to disguise my draws, protect my hand,extract value from any possible better draws.

early position flat calls

AQ reraises all in. I now have about 1/3 my stack in, and still have top pair of Q's mid 10 kicker, flush draw, and gutshot straight draw.

I figure that since fish spazz out on top pair crap kicker crap like Q2 to Q9 all the time, and since villain limped, that surely he wasnt stupid enough to DONK limp AQ behind 6 other limpers in late position, on such a limp happy passive tight table unlikely to pay him off, and that because he's not that stupid, thyat he likely limped Q2 to Q9, and was probably spazzing out.

But even if he is not spazzing out, and has me outkicked, or 2 pair etc, I have 33% of my stack in, and have top pair mid kicker, straight draw, and flush draw, and so many dam outs, and such great awesome pod odds, that I have to call, and that folding isnt a option.

So I call, and of course DONK was stupid enough to DONK limp AQ in late position behind 6 other limpers after all, and out I go, all because of how badly AQ donk played, with me being on the BB

He should have raised preflop(if he had I would have folded QT preflop)

He should have reraised big on the flop, if he had I might probably have folded, and would have seriously thought about folding.

If he raises like he should, he will consistently win more and lose less, and I will win more and lose less to donk limpers like him.

$5 spent on another $1 rebuy $100 GTD.

was playing dam good poker. And my reward:

BAD beat number 1: JT suited calls my 99 all in.

BAD beat number 2: reraised 55 all in with xx little cards board, and a flush draw, and a straight draw, villain calls and makes 2 pair.

Bad beat number 3 I have 4 k stack with blinds 75/150. EVRYBODY AT THE TABLE LIMPS IN. I have AJ suited. I shove AJ suited on the SB.

poker idiot gooff off clown idiot moron DONK who donk limped 72 off under gun, couldnt just let me have all the limp ins, but has to limp call all in preflop with his 7k stack with his 72 off, and butlucks a 2 on the river.

ADD on break: only reason why I rebuyed and added on for a total of $5 spent, was I wasnt gona go out because of the ffin 72 idiot DONK, who by the way kept on goofing off, and butlucking every dam time, en route to a
34k stack

Then post add on break

Bad beat number 4

I have a 6k stack with blinds 200/400.

4700 chip DONK raises to 1700 with J8 suited on the SB, when he should have either flat called limped, folded, or shoved, and not raised 1/3 his stack on J8 crap. Then I of course reraise all in with AJ, and of course DONK hits his 2 or 3 outer on the river.

MORE BS please

Going to be playing the $3 $200 GTD, in about 35 to 45 mniutes from now.

MikelDH1 on minted poker on everleaf

Out early thanks to a DONK.

the nblinds were 5/10. I raise 88 early position to 45. DONK makes a DONK reraise with AQ off. the reraiseitself was ok. it was his reraise size to 140 more to about 185 that was off. I flat call, because I figure he has KQ, AT,AJ,AQ, 55,66,77,88,99,TT type of range.

So the flop comes xxx little cards, and I check, and DONK CBETS 400. Then I check reraise to 1350. Then DONK calls my check reraise with AQ NOTHING, NO PAIR NO DRAW, instead of having the DANGER WILL ROBINSON, he raised preflop, he called your reraise preflop, he check reraised you postflop, you are extrmeely likely to be beat here alert.

And then when the Q hit the turn. I didnt have him on a Q, because I thought: Sure he wouldnt be stupid enough to to reraise me preflop with a Q crap kicker like Q2 thru Q5 preflfop, where he called postflop on bottom pair, and then hit 2 pair Q's and x whatever. Surely he wouldnt be stupid enough to do that, and butluck that way.

And surely he wouldnt be stupid enough to call with KQ,QJ,AQ NOTHING npostflop.

And if he had a bigger pocket apir surely he would have reraised me postflop with a Big pocket pair, because he would think I would have enough strength to call him.

So surely he must have a pocket pair like 44,55,66,77,88,99, because thats the only thing, I could picture him, reraising preflop, and then flat calling my check reraise postflop with.

So because of all those reasons, I dont think the Q helps him, SO I think I am still ahead and winning, and that he will DONK call again. SO I bet about 1850.
I mnow have about 25% of my stack in the pot now..

Then of course Villain DONK shoves, instead of reraising to about 4k to extract value and in the process risk having me fold, and epically failing to extract value.

And because of that, and my earlier thought process, I think surely DONK is bluffing the Q as a scare card,k because now way should he have a Q there based on his play. And if he had the Q wouldnt he want to reraise smaller, or flat call, to try and extract value from me?

Why is he trying so dam hard to get me to fold? If he really had the Q, wouldnt he want me to call, and stay in??, instead of shoving and trying so hard to make me fold?

Also early on in these things fish donks in these things love to call station call, and then bluff shove, any scare card, or they like to semi bluff spazz out shove on any scare card when they have bottom to middle pair.l I have seen a lot of that in these things lately.

So because of all that, I thought he was bluffing, or semi bluffing,spazzing out on small pocket pair,lesser then my pocket pair, and mthat because of that, and because of how I already had 25% of my stack in the pot already, I was gona call.

So I caqll and out I go.

All because duh gee george duh mc fly cant think duh gee george duh mc fly I duh wonder what he is raising with early position with preflop?

could it be 99 to AA, AT suited, to AK,KQ suited.

DUh time to be a donk and make a big reraise to 185 with AQ.

Duh gee george duh mc fly I duh wonder what early position open raiser, is check reraising to 1350 with over my 400 CBETwith postflop?? could it be 99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA?

DUH gee george duh mc fly I duh wonder if AQ NOTHING NO PAIR NO DRAW BEATS THAT RANGE. HELL NO.

I duh then I duh call then because AQ No pair no draw NOTHING is DUH NUTS BEST DUH HAND AND BEATS, 99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA psotflop.

Oh duh lookee I duh butlucked duh best hand with a Q on duh turn. DUH I will now DUH shove, even though he is likely to duh fold, and duh cause me to get nothing.

Oh duh look I duh got luckee that he duh called my duh shove.

I duh such a good player, and played AQ so duh dam good duh.

Guess I have to ASSUME players are this incredibly stupid, and ASUME the worst.

SO now on I will think the following when this kind of hand happens again:

I raise 88 to 45 from early position. DONK reraises me with AQ to 185. ok I am being reraised with anything from weak to strong hands.

flop comes xxx little cards. I check, DONK cbets. I better flat call, or if I reraise I better reraise to like 2.5k to 3.5k, becuase other wise DONK will call, with NOTHING no pair no draw, and outflop me on the turn, if I bet smaller. So I better flat call CBet or reraise bige huge.

Oh a Q hit the turn. that means DONK probably hit Q2 to Q8, or QJU,KQ,AQ. so I better check/call, or check fold, or small bet/fold, from now on.

Oh DONK is shoving all in, that means I am beat by DONK calling with no pair no draw nothing, that hit the turn, and now he is dONK shoving, iinstead of betting smaller to extract value, so I better fold here, because DONK probably isnt playing smart, and is probably playing dumb. And a Q fits a dumb players range much better then a good players range.

So I fold

While DONK continues to think, I duh played that AQ so dam good. I am duh such a good poker player.

mike, if the flop was all low cards, wouldn't half of the lower PPs that you assume he must have, have flopped a set?

totally standard hand, and you spend 3 hours typing a post about it. LOL at thinking villain is bluffing his stack off at the 5/10 level. you played that hand horribly.

It is possible he flopped a set, but a set of 2's,3's,4's, is at the bottom of his 44,55,66,77,88,99, range. So its just not likely that he has a set.

Plus if he has a set, why is he not reraising my check reraise of 1350 to like 3650, or all in? I have shown a hell of a lot of strength preflop, and postflop. So based on that, he has every reason to think if he reraises me big or all in, on the flop, that I would call him, and pay him off on the flop.

I understand that its popular to slowplay a set, and check call. But usually a person only slowplays if the other person if super loose agressive, AND WHILE not being likely to pay you off.

If you know that the other guy is likely to call you and pay you off big, then why would you slowplay? why would you not reraise big or all in over a person who had shown so much strength preflop and postflop, and who had check reraised?

I know that if I had a set and was playing me, I would reraise it up big, thinking the other guy will now pay me off big, because he has been pretty dam strong preflop and postflop, with that check reraise of his to 1350.

Betting 400, and then flat calling, and then shoving the turn with a Q hitting the board with him having a set, makes no sense whatsoever.

Why would he play a set that stupidly?

If I had a set, I wouldnt bet 400 and then slowplay flat call. And if I did, and the Q came on the turn. I would think. Oh great that Q had to come and kill my action. Oh wait he is betting 1850 on the turn. hmmmmm Oh wait he is probably semi bluffing his 99,TT,JJ, because he doesnt think that Q helped me. If I shove, he will probably fold tho. And I dont want him to fold to my set. So let see do I want to flat call, or minreraise him on this turn card, with my set?


So based on the way villain played it, and how a set would be at the bottom of his range, I just dont think itsa likely he had a set, altho a set was a possibility, and it was possible he was playing a set badly.

but possible is not likely.

And I like to play according to likelyhoods, not according to whats remotely possible.

Dude it wasnt a standard hand.

its not standard to flat call a big strong check reraise to 1350 with AQ NOTHING NO PAIR NO DRAW. THAT AINT STANDARD AT ALL.

And is a player is stupid enough to flat call a big strong check reraise with AQ no pair no draw, he certainly is capable of being stupid enough of bluff shoving, or semi bluff shoving 44,55,66,77,88,99, a Q sacre card.

Also you obviously didnt read this line I had in my post:

I HAVE SEEN VILLAINS BLUFF, and SEMI BLUFF SHOVE SCARE CARDS A LOT ALMOST ALL THE TIME IT SEEMS EARLY ON IN THESE TOURNEYS.

This is everleaf network we are talking about, and on the everleaf network micro's, the players can be incredibly soft donkish, spazzy,etc.

I have seen some of the most insane crazy spazztastic play in these tourneys.

I have said to myself over and over again, how can they play that insane,crazy? its a 1000 x BB deepstack tourney no less, and they play this insanely crazy?

Here are just a few samples of the extrmely crazy play that happens there a lot.

example 1: I play like a tight ass, I raise AQ suited under gun, villain calls with A2 off. flop comes xxx litle cards and miss us both, no pair no draw for us both. I make a standard sized CBet. mHe flat calls. I bet almost double that to 1400 on the turn. A2 reraises all in. I fold.

example 2: donk limps J8 early position. I limp QJ. flop come Q8x x= little card. Villain semi bluff shoves, and I call, and out villain goes. my stack size was about 17k, villains stack size was about 20k blinds were 10/20.

example 3: I raise or call early position, forget what I had. villain calls, forget what he had. flop gives me a middle pair or weak top pair I cbet. villain either minreraised, or checked minreraised, I flat called. Villain shoved turn. I fo9ld my middle pair to weak top pair weak kicker. Villain shows a weak ace.

example 4 I limp KJ suited, villain limps QJ. Board comes KJx, villain shoves, I call and out villain goes.

example number 5: I raise TT. Villain flat calls, board comes xxx little cards, villain checks, I bet. Villain check minreraises. I flat call. a K hits the board. villain checks, I check behind. river: villain shoves his 17k stack with blinds 10/20 all in. I fold. Villain shows AJ, or AQ

And its not just against me.

I see donks do this kind of crap a lot against everyone.

Like I said there was every reason for me to think that villain was on 44,55,66,77,88,99, and was semi bluffing shoving 44 thru 99.

the ONLY way I am beat is if Villain ihas 99, or is stupidly calling my big strong check reraise to 1350 with QJ,KQ,AQ NOTHING NO PAIR NO DRAW.

And its just not bloody dam likely villain is stupidly calling my check reraise to 1350 with NOTHING NO PAIR NO DRAW.

And its unlikely Villain has a set, or a higher pocket pair, because if he had a set or a higher pocket pair, wouldnt he reraise me big or all in thinking I would be strong enough to call and pay him off. He doesnt know that I am a thinking player that would fold to a 4 or 5 bet shove from him on the flop

He would have every dam reason to think I would call and pay a set or a big pocket pair off.

So because of that, and because he didnt do that and just flat called my big strong reraise.

The only thing I can picture the villain reraising me with preflop, and then flat calling my strong reraise to 1350 with postflop, is 44,55,66,77,88,99. if he had TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA, he would have probably reraised me all in.

thgis is not me playing the hand bad. this is not me making up excuses. THIS IS LOGIC

I played the hand LOGICALLY based on LIKELYHOODS, PROBABILITIES, table conditions, likely table conditions, likely tourney conditions, etc etc etc.

The one and only thing I could possibly be faulted on, is maybe I shouldnt assume that players will make the smart play, and will play stupid.

Thus maybe I should assume that a set would stupidly flat call me instead of reraising. Maybe I should assume that a Big mpocket pair would stupidly flat call, instead of reraising my reraise.

maybe I should assume, that a QJ,KQ,AQ NO PAIR NO DRAW NOTHING would stupidly call a strong reraise from me to 1350 with no pair no draw NOTHING, and that a Q did hit his stupidity

Maybe I should assume that a player will stupidly check AA on the BB with EVERYBODY limping in front of him, on a limp happy passive tight table unlikely to pay his AA limp trap off.

Amaybe I should assume players will be stupid in the micro's and play accordingly, untiul proven otherwise.


But otherwise I thought the hand out pretty logically, while I played it.

I am not some donk who auto instant snap calls without thinking and say DUH my middle pocket pair of 88 is DUH NUTS man, thus I am calling here dude.

So rather then making snide stupid ass comments, why dont you follow LO's example, by challenging the logic thought process I used

I appreciate comments like LO's more, because it makes me think thru the hand even more and really break it down even more, and realy figure out, prove or disprove, if the logic thought process I used was correct.

So a negative 1 to your post and a big +1 to LO's post

thanks for this comment,post LO. A big +1 to it.

Post like this from you are appreciated, because they help me really think thru, break down the logic and thought process I used even more then I already have to figure out,prove,disprove, the logic,thought process I used, to see if the logic and thought process I used was correct.

This kind of post not only helps me, but it also helps everyone who may be reading and following along.

Post like these are so much better then some of the few rare snide comments some have made.

I wanted to call attention to your post and contrast it with the snide sounding post that was just recently posted.

cooments, post that say something like "LOL GAWD your so terrible, and played it so bad lol" are not really wanted, and are not helpful.

So thanks for setting a good example in this postof your LO

And a big huge giant +1 and thumbs up to your post

if you're convinced that someone peeling a flop raise in position with AQ AK is not a totally standard play, you are wrong.

if you're convinced that a set is going to 3bet your check raise on the flop, you are wrong about that also.

it seems you have not grasped the fact that there are multiple streets to post flop play, and people aren't just shoveling money on the flop if they have the best hand, or folding if they might be behind.

and yes, calling all your chips off with nothing but a bluff catcher in the 1st level of a tournament is very bad. you had no reason to believe your 88 was good at any point in the hand, from villains 3bet preflop, to his call of your check raise, to his jam on the turn. the fact that he showed up with AQ and spiked on the turn is irrelevant, he got you to put the majority of your stack in drawing to 2 outs. there's a pretty valuable lesson to learn about playing in position in that hand, but i dont have any faith that you'd find it.

just in case anybody is curious, I did a breakdown on how often I make a misread, based on me being a thinking player, playing according to lieklyhoods, and probabilities, of what other players are like to do or should probably be doing.

Here is the breakdown:

I figure that since I have posted at least 3 of these situational misreads, in this thread. that in the 40 something games I have played in this stake, that there are probably at last 3 to 5 times that many misreads that have happened, but just that didnt get noticed, and or didnt have bad results.

So that would mean I make about 9 to 17 situational misreads based on likelyhoods, and probabilites during the 40 games.

Now I usually probably jhave about a average of 60 hands in a tourney, and probably play about 15 hands(25%), and fold the rest preflop on average.

that means if you take 15 times 40 games, you get 600 hands played in 40 games.

If I misread, misplay, 17 hands, based on situational likelyhoods, and probabilities, then 17/600 = 2%

That means I only misread, misplay a hand, because of situational likelyhoods, and probabilities, and what should be likely ,probable, 1 time out of every 2.5 to 4 tourneys I play.

And just because I misread,misplay a hand like this, doesnt mean, I am going to have a bad result, or get busted down and or out of a tourney.

I probably only get busted down or out of a tourney because of a misread, or misplay, like this, that was due to what should be likely or probable, 1 time out of every 3 times I do it, or 1 time out of every 7.5 to 12 tourneys

that means almost all the time, MOST of the time, my reads are right, and I am playing the hands right, my logic and thought process are right.

that should put the last posted hand into proper perspective.

im sure most tournament players would agree with this

Calling a flop raise by a preflop raiser, is standard.

but that wasnt a flop raise. IT WAS A BIG STRONG CHECK RERAISE TO 1350BY UNDER GUN RAISER.

Calling a raise like that with AQ nothing is NOT STANDARD.

Now if I had raised from late position, and he called on the button. And if I then CBETTED, and he flat called, that would be standard with AQ, in some cases.

but thats not what I did. My big strong check reraise to 1350 was NOT a normal ordinary CBET that AQ can be rightfully standardly calling peeling off with.

Villains postflop call was terrible, no ands ifs buts about it. PERIOD.

I understand multiple stre4et postflop play just fine. And yes a lot of everleaf DONKS shovel money on the flop, if they have the best hand, and are folding if they might be behind, at the everleaf, micro stakes DONKAMENTS


also you still ignore the logic thought process I laid out. even LO and others understand bmy logic and thought process, which sometimes they agree with, and sometimes they disagree with.

I was not just bluff catching and stacking off first level in a deep stack tourney.

I already explained my logic that:

1. I didnt think he was stupid enough to call a hellishly strong ass check reraise to 1350 with QJ,KA,AQ NOTHING no pair no draw.

2. I didnt think it likely that he had 2 pair on a 234 flop, and didnt have A5 most likely.

3. I didnt think it was likely that he had TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA, because if he had, he would have probably reraised me instead of flat calling me. Only a bad player would flat call with a big pocket pair, instead of reraising me big on the flop or putting me in on the flop, because he should have every reason to think, that if he reraises big, and or puts me in on the flop that I will call, and that he would stack me. He doesnt know that I would probably fold

4.I didnt think he had a set, because a set would only hit the bottom of his low pocket pair range(will cover that later), and because again as in point 2 above, he should be reraising me, or putting me in thyinking that I will call him, and stack off to him on the flop.

5. If it was me, If I had me beat with a set, or big pocket pair, I would reraise me big or put me all in on the flop, over my check reraise, because I would think I was strong enough to call me.

6. because of all the above points. I thus could only see by process of logical elimination him reraising preflop, and then flat calling my postflop check reraise with with 44,55,66,77,88,99,etc.

Anything better then that, like a TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA, or a set, and he would have reraised my check reraise big having every reason to believe that I would call.

Thus it was EXTREMELY LIKELY PROBABLE that he had 44,55,66,77,88,99, on a 234,223,233,322,type board.

So the ONLY hand I would maybe be worried about would be maybe 99.

And So the ONLY ONLY ONLY WAY I am beat is if he stupidly flat called my big hellishly strong ass looking check reraise to 1350 with QJ,KQ,AQ NOTHING,NO PAIR NO DRAW.

Not bloody likely


Or IF he has 99 not as likely

or if he has 2 pair, not bloody dam likely

Or A5 not bloody dam likely

or a set, not likely

or a Big pocket pair not likely.

And the ONLY way I am winning is if he has 44,55,66,77 all of which are EXTREMELY LIKELY and fit extrmely well into how he played the hand.

7. I had about 25% of my stack into the pot postflop.

8. add to all that how often the everleaf micro spazztastic DONKS spazz off and semi bluff scare cards(which I already gave you 5 examples of their crazy play)

9. considering all of the logical points I made above, it was very likely that villain was yet another in a long line of such villains at,in the everleaf micro donkaments, that was donk shoving semi bluffing 44,55,66,77 on a scare card

10 and considering all the logical points above, my call is right there in that specific limited kind of situation, 7.3 times out of 10. About 7.3 times out of 10, I will call and t5ake down a nice pot there. And 2.7 to 2.9 times out of 10, there, I am beat, because the logic and likelyhoods and probabilities didnt hold up.

And so your not considerinng my logic here.

Your just arbitrarily saying, that all I am doing is bluff catching stacking off early.

And there is more to it then just that.

Note how LO challenged my logic. You dont see LO saying I played it bad. You dont see LO saying that all that I was doing was just bluff catching stacking off early in the tourney.

LO knows theres more to it then just that. So LO is challenging the logic I used, hence the comment he made about the set comment question.

LO and others dont mind making the play I made IF IF IF IF IF the logic and thought process behind it are correct.

Obviously it was a severely logic,likelyhood,probabilityhood,read dependent play, call I made, a play I dont make very often, almost hardly never ever. And I only make this call if I am pretty ffin damn sure of my logic thought process. Any doubt whatsoever, and I easily muck and fold in this situation.

And, oh, I understand good positional poker play just fine.

And you make a lot of assumptions

you need to think logically, and rationally, and reasonably, and consider others logic, etc.

And not just make blind assumtions, and arbitrarily say lol GAWD your terrible, you played it bad, lol

Which is still basically what your doing.

You just refuse to consider the logic and thought process I used.

So either consider my logic and thought process, or me and others dont want to hear your comments.

i considered your logic, and it's wrong. you put him a SPAZ DONK SHOVE with no history with the player, basing your read only on this: "Here are just a few samples of the extrmely crazy play that happens there a lot."

And yes 88 is a bluff catcher against the range of hands that he's shoving for value.

And AK/AQ have showdown value against your bluffing range on this flop and usually has 25% equity for when you arent bluffing (that's based on actual poker math, not the made-up mikeDH 9 times out of 14 math). That's why it's totally standard when your check-raise gets peeled in this manner. I'm not saying it's profitable, and I'm not saying every player is going to peel here, but it happens ALL THE TIME and it's not worth getting angry about or acting like you took a horrendous beat when in reality he got you to stack off with the worst of it.

The difference being me and them is that I dont just agree or think this, but it is probably true. whereas the other just think or agree with it, but it is probably not true for them, like it is for me.

Also I know they would probably say the same.

but then they probably havent played as long as I have, read as many poker books, and articles as I have,watch as many instructional poker videos as I have, been coached like I have, and are not decent,ok,semi good, way above average, WINNING player.

And that WINNING is over a large sample size, after a lot of insane crazy BAD LUCK. that caused much losing, after I was already a losing player for a while during the time when I used to be a below average to average fish at worst, to average to above average borderline fish/no fish, when I was on my A+ game.

And that winning is not just getting lucky, but is based on skill and luck.

And I have grinded $25 into $1675 over about 1 and 1/4 years time, playing starting at the 25 cent stakes and gradually working up to $13 stakes, usuing good bankroll management.

the only nreason why I am even doing this micro stake, is because I am a washington state USA player that cant legally deposit money to play after I had to withdraw my $1675 roll off of poker stars after black friday.

But even though I cant legally deposit, it is legal for me to play freerolls, and for others to transfer money over to my accounts on minted poker on everleaf network, and on merge network.

But if you doubt any of this, then go OPR and sharkscope MikelDH!(everleaf network) and michaelalas(poker stars)

And you can talk to gigglegirl, the coach I had, NOFX, LO, and others who know how good I am. Also NOFX says I should be playing at the 6 to $13 stakes, as these micro stakes are probably hurting my game a little tiny bit.

And also this is not just based on results.

I do know about and know how to apply and use concepts such as proper raise sizing, bet sizing, pot control, hand ranging and hand range reading, situational nuances, table and tourney conditions, positional poker playing, good hand selection according to poker position, and other situational nuances,chip stack management, tourney management, good bankroll management, calling ranges, shoving ranges, effective comparative stack sizing, how to semi bluff and bluff, and when to bluff amd semi bluff, by telling a believable story, how and when to use chip stack as a weapon, and how and when to bully smaller stacks, how and when to make bubble moves,hwo and when to resteal, best effective resteal comparative stack sizing, blinds stealing, and when and how to steal blinds, levels of poker play,postflop play,when to peel,float,preflop play,using logic, likelyhoods, probabilities, percentage chances to win in various situations, counting outs,figuring out percentage chance to make a draw, and or to win, pot odds, and implied pot odds, fold equity, table image,etc etc etc to many to remember and list

also the above concepts are not listed in order of importantance.

Now having said all this, you just sound like your into making snide sounding comments

your comments are probably better suited for BBV, as your comments have the feel and sound of and seem to be BBV like comments.

BBV like comments are not wanted nor appreciated in this thread.

please keep BBV like comments in BBV where they belong.

so many more of these to be made

DUDe in a micro DONKAMENT at on everleaf, early in a tourney, you can temprorarily throw exact proper 3 x BB raise sizing out the window.

If I raise 2.65 to 3 x BB preflop, I am going to get like 7 callers most of the time. tahst not something I want. I only want 1 to 3 callers at most, not 5 to 7.

Thats why I raised to about 4.5 x BB preflop, instead of 2.65 to 3 x BB preflop in early position.

Now as the tourney goes on, and according to poker position, and table condition, I gradually lower my preflop raising to normal stand proper raise sizing.

now at $7 to $13 stake levels, I can make standard proper raise sizes early in a tourney.

Dude, I do not play with a higher staked bankroll then what I have grinded out. And my advice should not be disputed. And I have grinded $25 to $1675 with my michaelalas poker stars name at poker stars pre black friday.

If you dispute that, then you can sharkscope, and OPR michaelalas, and talk to NOFX,LO and others.

Also I have posted some pretty damn sick good OPR and Sharkscope info BEFORE I was event staked.

Now you can take your snide sarcastic trollish BBV like post elsewhere to BBV

And stop Spamming this thread with your BBV post.

THIS IS NOT BBV

Took 4 more BS bad beats in the $1 rebuy $100 GTD for $5 total played.

Bad beat number 1: I have a 6k stack, villain has 6k stack with blinds 20/40.

Villain ope raises from SB with KJ. I reraise all in with AK suited preflop, which I am not gona do vs another 6k deep stack in a rebuy, unless I have a hand like AK suited,QQ,KK,AA.

Only reason why I reraised AK suited all in preflop, is that I probably have the best hand, and its not worth battling the other table chip leader postflop. SO I shoved my AKA suited to effectively say I have the best hand, and its not worth playing postflop against you the co table chip stack leader, and now I am effectively ending the hand.

But oh no, DONK has to NOT realize that I am not shoving with anyless less then AK suited, and has to call with his KJ presumably to flip vs TT , the 1 and only hand he might be flipping with, that I might shove preflop over his KJ raise.

and of course donk rivers a J on the river.


BAD BEAT number 2: I complete my SB with 86 suited after UTG limps, and Button limps.

I hit middle pair of 6's and a gutshot straight draw. I chek on xxx low to mid card board. UTG limper bets 400 with blinds 50/100. I think UTG is trying to steal in position. So I check reraise all in with my 17 x BB stack. And DONK calls with his JT suited NO PAIR NO DRAW JT HIGH,and rivers a J.

Bad beat number 3. I shove A9 suited with my 13 to 17 x BB stack, and DONK calls with QT suited spikes a 10.

BAd beat number 4 I shove 77 all in and DONK calls with JT,or T9, or 98 suited and butluck hits again.

Then after the add on break. a DONK who had been poker idiot goof off clown donking around en route to butlucking sucking out consistently en route to a 20k stack, raise AJ on the button with his 20k stack preflop.

I figure he is raising wide there on the button, and that there is probably like a 63% chance I am ahead of his range. SO I reraise my 13 to 17 x BB stack all in, and donk finally miraculously wakes up with a hand like AJ, and out I go and bubble out in about 13 to 15th place.

MORE BAD LUCK PLEASE.

I have only just discovered this thread and cannot stop laughing. "I stuck in 150 BBs with AK because I have no confidence in playing AK postflop deep stacked, despite being a supreme MTT player, heh, look at my sharkscope and talk to some randoms who I know."


So donk calls badly...and you're playing a donkament. Sigh. Oh...and ur shove will always always always get called by worse in this spot. You never ever fold out loads of his air and get called by better, like ever.

Actual stack sizes would be helpful btw. LOL @ the 13-17 bb stack...what is it one or the other? Villain could never be making a sound call based on stack sizes (he has 3bbs himself or 50-100bbs) and your shoving range obviously and qt v a9 is a massive bad beat. You dont lose 30% of the time.

Again stack sizes, blinds, position, table image might be useful. I ran a sim for you...you win 100% of the time with 77

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

493,143,552 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
77	52.03%	255,112,440	2,925,564
jt,98,t9	47.97%	235,105,548	2,925,564

63% chance. Hahaha. Sure it's not 56%? Care to tell us what hand u considered to be ahead of his range? Stupid donk idiot for raising his BTN with AJ and calling off a tiny stack shove when priced in. Stupid donk idiot.

the point of my post in this STAKE RAIL THREAD was to make the point by saying that I took 4 bad beats, and 1 bad luck beat after the add on. Also its not any given bad beat, coinflip beat, bad luck beat, etc that is unlucky bad, its the cumulative effect of taking all 5 of them in 1 tourney that together combined together is bad luck idiot.

I shouldnt have to give out every damn little peice of information, etc to make the point that I got extremely unlucky in the tourney idiot.

Go back to BBV TROLL, IDIOT,DUMBASS

AND DONT EVER comment and post in this thread again, as your comments and post are not wanted, and not needed

For examples of appropiate post, see LO's, and NOFX, and Dwiele's and brownie attacks post(I and others may disagree with him, but at least he doesnt make BBV like post here)

AGAIN this is NOT BBV