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09-02-2011 , 11:30 AM
Going to play the $1 PLO $100 GTD in about 1 hour.

Going to play in the $3 super stack $200 GTD in about 4 1/2 hours. Dwiele my staker gave me permission, without me even asking, to take occasional shots at these
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09-02-2011 , 12:58 PM
15k at the add on break with blinds 100/200 with 13 players left in the $1 PLO $100 GTD
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09-02-2011 , 01:22 PM
Go Danger Mikey!!!
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09-02-2011 , 01:49 PM
out in 5th, 6th for $8 because the call no matter what preflop and postflop DONKS.

I had been playing tight, good poker was around 25k to 33k. the blinds were 400/800 2 or 3 limp in, and I raise to 4k preflop, and of course 2 or 3 DONK CALL PREFLOP

Then postflop I CBET semi bluffed 13k, on a combined straight and flush draws.

At this point their only move should be to reraise all in, or FOLD. But no they both flat call. And now I am pot committed so I shove the turn, they both call, and 1 of the DONKS rivers a flush overflushing my flush, and out I go, along with the other donk.

Will post the HH after this
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09-02-2011 , 02:15 PM
Everleaf Gaming Game #302926741
***** Hand history for game #302926741 *****
Blinds 400/800 PL Omaha - 2011/09/02 - 17:38:35
Table 1
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players: 5
Seat 1: Geriser01 ( 37730 Chips )
Seat 3: Itakos02 ( 15672 Chips )
Seat 4: MikelDH1 ( 25431 Chips )
Seat 5: levani30 ( 8237 Chips )
Seat 6: N00tsnotGood ( 30930 Chips )
Geriser01: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
Itakos02: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
MikelDH1: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
levani30: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
N00tsnotGood: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
Itakos02: posts small blind [ 400 Chips]
MikelDH1: posts big blind [ 800 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MikelDH1 [ Tc, 7h, 4c, Th ]

pretty decent hand to riase to 4000 with and steal the preflop pot with

levani30 folds
N00tsnotGood calls [ 800 Chips]
Geriser01 calls [ 800 Chips]
Itakos02 calls [ 400 Chips]
MikelDH1 raises [ 3,200 Chips]
N00tsnotGood calls [ 3,200 Chips]
Geriser01 calls [ 3,200 Chips]
Itakos02 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 7c, 9c ]
MikelDH1: bets [ 13,300 Chips]
N00tsnotGood calls [ 13,300 Chips]
Geriser01 calls [ 13,300 Chips]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
MikelDH1: bets [ 8,031 Chips]
N00tsnotGood raises [ 13,530 Chips]
Geriser01 calls [ 13,530 Chips]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
Geriser01 shows [ 5h, 5d, 6c, Ac ] a flush, ace high

what the freaking hell is the donk calling with this freaking CRAP CRAP CRAP hand preflop. No way in hell should he have called with that crap preflop. And calling 13k POT sized bet after watching me raise big praflop and psotflop, is so icnredibly bad. the turn call is the only ok mcall, as he was pot committed at that point, because of his earlier stupidity.

MikelDH1 shows [ Tc, 7h, 4c, Th ] a flush, ten high

I think my raise with this hand was a good preflop raise. I really was totally shocked, that the donks called preflop.

Postflop, I had every reason to think I had so many outs with middle pair, plus straight draw, plus flush draw, that combined with a good tight table image, and showing down the goods almost every time, and almost never ever bluffing, and combined with my big ass preflop raise, that if I semi bluff bet the pot, that the other players would fold, and that I would pick up the pot.

didnt want to bet the turn, but with the size of the pot, I was pot committed to shove the turn, because of the donks donk preflop and postflop calls.

And of course if the DONK had not called with his absolute crap preflop, I would have not been overflushed and would have won the pot.

N00tsnotGood shows [ Jh, 7s, Td, 9s ] two pairs, jacks and nines

This donks preflop call was borderline barely ok or not ok. I sure as hell wouldnt call a 4k raise by me preflop with this hand.

And postflop with 2 others in the hand. No way would I call with 2 pair, as its to easy for me or the other guy in the hand to have trips. 2 pair in Omaha, is rarely good. If this donk keeps on calling tight but big ass raises with to pair, he is gona be consistently crushed by trips. and when I shoved all in on the turn, after the other guy called my 13k bet, he should realize that his 2 pair is probably beat by me or the other guy. But he probably called, because he probably felt pot committed, because of his stupid preflop call, and his stupid postflop call.

wish people would learn to fold 2 pair in Omaha, I myself folded 2 pair like 2 to 4 times, vs big ass bets or big ass reraises, in the tourney.

Geriser01 wins 77293 chips from main pot with a flush, ace high [ Ac, 9c, 7c, 6c, 2c ]
Geriser01 wins 10998 chips from side pot with a flush, ace high [ Ac, 9c, 7c, 6c, 2c ]
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09-02-2011 , 03:21 PM
Ok I have played thru $40 of the first $50 part of the 2 $50 parts of this $100 stake.

So that means that the first part of the stake is in the profit, and even if the last $10 in tourneys were for non cashes, there would be a decent ok profit for the first part of the stake.
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09-02-2011 , 06:13 PM
bubbled out in the $3 $200 GTD thanks to KK donk limper, who donk limped KK BEHIND 1 or 2 limpers in front of him, on a tight passive, limp happy table(worst possible table conditions to get a limp trap paid off, and best way to get outflopped, and busted out)

Then I only have a 3 to 9% chance to wake up with a raising or shoving hand, or else I fold or limp behind his DONK limped KK, that was DONK limped behind 1 or 2 other limpers.

And of course KK DONK limper gets miraculously BUTLUCKY that I wake up with JJ. now the table conditions were such that if I raise to 4.5 to 6.5 x BB, all the limpers call, and or I get 3 to 6 other callers.

So since I only had a 22k stack with blinds 400/800, I couldnt afford to raise JJ to 3300 to 4300 and get 3 to 5 callers. So I shoved all in preflop figuring that either everyone folds and I get like a 3.5k to 5k pot consisting of limp ins blinds and antes, or 1 idiot calls and doubles me up.

And of course KK donk limper calls and out I go.

Only way KK donk limper could have played it any worse, would be if he had check KK on the BB after 3 to 5 limp in, in front of him.

I really wish players would learn that the only time you limp trap a KK type hand, is when you are in early position, and someone might raise, and when the table is super loose hyper over agressive extrmely likely to pay a KK type limp trap off.

really wish players would learn that tight passive limp happy tables are not bloody dam likely to pay a KK type limp trap off

If they would learn that, they would win more and lose less, because they wouldnt get outflopped by a bunch of limpers limping behind them.

And I would win more and lose less, because I wouldnt get trapped by their stupid KK donk limp

realloy cant stand DONK QQ,KK,AA donk limp trappers

rant over
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09-02-2011 , 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeal_DH
Everleaf Gaming Game #302926741
***** Hand history for game #302926741 *****
Blinds 400/800 PL Omaha - 2011/09/02 - 17:38:35
Table 1
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players: 5
Seat 1: Geriser01 ( 37730 Chips )
Seat 3: Itakos02 ( 15672 Chips )
Seat 4: MikelDH1 ( 25431 Chips )
Seat 5: levani30 ( 8237 Chips )
Seat 6: N00tsnotGood ( 30930 Chips )
Geriser01: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
Itakos02: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
MikelDH1: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
levani30: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
N00tsnotGood: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
Itakos02: posts small blind [ 400 Chips]
MikelDH1: posts big blind [ 800 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MikelDH1 [ Tc, 7h, 4c, Th ]

pretty decent hand to riase to 4000 with and steal the preflop pot with

levani30 folds
N00tsnotGood calls [ 800 Chips]
Geriser01 calls [ 800 Chips]
Itakos02 calls [ 400 Chips]
MikelDH1 raises [ 3,200 Chips]
N00tsnotGood calls [ 3,200 Chips]
Geriser01 calls [ 3,200 Chips]
Itakos02 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 7c, 9c ]
MikelDH1: bets [ 13,300 Chips]
N00tsnotGood calls [ 13,300 Chips]
Geriser01 calls [ 13,300 Chips]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
MikelDH1: bets [ 8,031 Chips]
N00tsnotGood raises [ 13,530 Chips]
Geriser01 calls [ 13,530 Chips]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
Geriser01 shows [ 5h, 5d, 6c, Ac ] a flush, ace high

what the freaking hell is the donk calling with this freaking CRAP CRAP CRAP hand preflop. No way in hell should he have called with that crap preflop. And calling 13k POT sized bet after watching me raise big praflop and psotflop, is so icnredibly bad. the turn call is the only ok mcall, as he was pot committed at that point, because of his earlier stupidity.

MikelDH1 shows [ Tc, 7h, 4c, Th ] a flush, ten high
i would defitenly just check this BB here. plo is a different animal and you really can't isolate with this hand, esp. oop. even in position, this hand is not that strong.. position is big in nl, but in plo it's huuuuuuuuuge. i would also just check the flop. all we really have on flop is 2nd pair (albeit blockers) a gut shot and a weak flush draw. pretty much all fd's are weak in plo except the nuts. play reallyy nitty in plo when you're out of position, and try to refrain from putting much $$ in without the nuts or a really strong draw.

people dont like to fold in plo so only semi bluff with the super draws and nuts.

everything else looks good tho. well played, sir
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09-02-2011 , 09:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwiele
i would defitenly just check this BB here. plo is a different animal and you really can't isolate with this hand, esp. oop. even in position, this hand is not that strong.. position is big in nl, but in plo it's huuuuuuuuuge. i would also just check the flop. all we really have on flop is 2nd pair (albeit blockers) a gut shot and a weak flush draw. pretty much all fd's are weak in plo except the nuts. play reallyy nitty in plo when you're out of position, and try to refrain from putting much $$ in without the nuts or a really strong draw.

people dont like to fold in plo so only semi bluff with the super draws and nuts.

everything else looks good tho. well played, sir

Hand selection: I think TT74 double suited is decent ok good, because theres TT that could flop a set,and T7 often flops into straight draws, its double suited, so more likely to flop a flush draw, make a flush, and 7, 4 are cards that often end up in straight draws.

Position: yes Position is Huge: But I wasnt counting on having to play the hand out of position, because I really thought they would or should fold preflop, to my big raise.

As to not putting much money in, without the nuts or a strong draw: this is why I folded 2 pair(something 1 of the donks should have done) like 2 to 4 times, when somebody raised, or reraised big, because 2 pair is CRAP in Omaha

As to people not folding in PLO: thats probably true, as I learned that the hard way. But that also might be more that it was a $1 MTT, more then it was PLO.

So in a micro PLO MTT's dont ever semi bluff postflop, or raise big preflop, unless you have the NUTS, because the CALL STATIONS will NEVER EVER FOLD apparently.

Only reason why I did what I did was because I figured that since it was down to the top 7 or 8 at the final table, and since the blinds were big at 400/800, that either all the call stations would have been knocked out of the tourney by then, or they would tighten up and fold.

No way in hell would I make the play I did, earlier on in the tourney, because there was a rebuy and a add on, and so there would be no chance of anybody ever folding.

So I will keep in mind what you said and this experience when playing micro PLO MTT's

Also I have played a lot more NL Omaha, then PLO, but of the PLO I have played, I have played at higher stakes, where players folded a lot more.

I actually do good at Omaha, not because I am a good or great player, but because most everyone else, doesnt know how to properly play Omaha like I do.

Put me up against a good or great Omaha player who does know how to properly play Omaha, and I will probably get my but handed to me consistently.


Also thanks for your comments
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09-03-2011 , 08:51 AM
DONKED out of the $1 $25 GTD by a donk. this time I had only played 2 hands which I had limped, and then folded postflop.
poker idiot goof off clown donk villain was calling and raising with any 2 cards preflop and postflop, and was super loose hyper over agressive. And had been openly bluffing like crazy, and had almost been busted out 1 time and lost half his stack another 2 times, before he finally got back up to over
2k chip stack when he finally woke up with a hand, and got it paid off, with blinds 10/20.

So I get AQ suited early to mp1 position. And I raise to 100 preflop. this was the first time I had raised, and I had folded the last 9 to 13 hands. but does the ultimate tight ass nit get any respect for his 100 5 x BB raise? hell no. I get like 3 or 4 other callers including poker idiot goof off clown donk calling with 108 suited DONK CRAP.

The flop brings a A high flush draw, and there is all little to medium cards giving DONK a gutshot straight draw, with a 9% chance to win. The pot was about 400. so I betted 300. then donk stupidly DONKEDLY decides to reraise me all in. I know he likely has nothing, so I call. and of course DONK hits a straight on the turn, and I a meaningless Q on the tiver

Now the DONK has 1 of the biggest stacks in the tourney, and might probably cash,win the thing.

would really like to see the other players beat him out and prevent him from cashing and winning.

Just wouldnt be right if that goofball won the thing.

Also this situation shows why I raise 5 to 7 x BB out of position with hands like AK,AQ,TT,JJ,QQ, that are semi premium flop vulnerable semi winning hands, early in a micro MTT. if I dont, and raise normally, I get everyone calling, and I lose like 85% of the time, to call no matter what preflop and postflop donks.

By raising to 5 to 7 x BB preflop, I only get like 1 to 3 callers, instead of 3 to 5 callers.

I know that some say thats bad raising sizing, and is not good for postflop pot control, and telegraphs hand strength, and what you have. But at the micro's the donks dont notice, and its worth bad raising sizing and bad pot control, to isolate the donks, so you dont have everyone in the pot, so you have a better chance to win, and when you do win, you win a bigger pot.
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09-03-2011 , 09:12 AM
I am going to play the $2 super deep stack $100 GTD in about 45 minutes
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09-03-2011 , 09:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeal_DH
poker idiot goof off clown donk villain was calling and raising with any 2 cards preflop and postflop, and was super loose hyper over agressive.
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09-03-2011 , 10:58 AM
17k at the 75/150 blinds break in the $2 super deep stack $100 GTD
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09-03-2011 , 12:08 PM
Everleaf Gaming Game #303238215
***** Hand history for game #303238215 *****
Blinds 150/300 NL Hold'em - 2011/09/03 - 15:21:42
Table 1
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players: 9
Seat 1: eminik1 ( 8605 Chips )
Seat 3: Shketik111 ( 8375 Chips )
Seat 4: GAVR80 ( 33365 Chips )
Seat 5: Spaceboxing ( 9050 Chips )
Seat 6: LAStball ( 21725 Chips )
Seat 7: MikelDH1 ( 34190 Chips )
Seat 8: Arwen ( 5925 Chips )
Seat 9: dunnyX ( 17540 Chips )
Seat 10: cheapseats ( 13394 Chips )
eminik1: posts ante [ 25 Chips]
Shketik111: posts ante [ 25 Chips]
GAVR80: posts ante [ 25 Chips]
Spaceboxing: posts ante [ 25 Chips]
LAStball: posts ante [ 25 Chips]
MikelDH1: posts ante [ 25 Chips]
Arwen: posts ante [ 25 Chips]
dunnyX: posts ante [ 25 Chips]
cheapseats: posts ante [ 25 Chips]
Arwen: posts small blind [ 150 Chips]
dunnyX: posts big blind [ 300 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MikelDH1 [ Qs, Td ]
MikelDH1: way to donk call a 4.5 x BB preflop raise with KT DONK CRAP

Villain had been been DONKing around, and had DONK called a early position 4.5 BB raiser with KT flopped top pair of 10's then got into a reraising battle and got it in behind to suck out a river 10.

Hence my comment


cheapseats folds
eminik1 folds
Shketik111 folds
GAVR80 calls [ 300 Chips]
Spaceboxing folds
MikelDH1: nice DONK shove preflop


Another donk open shoved his 85 x BB stack and picked up the blinds and antes



LAStball folds
MikelDH1 calls [ 300 Chips]


I limp QT behind other limpers in late position, because I have pot odds and I have a big stack.


Arwen folds
dunnyX checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 8c, 7s ]
dunnyX checks
GAVR80 checks

Villain stupidly DONKEDLY slowplay checks a made straight here, when the rest of us could easily be on a straight draw or flush draw, that could make a better straight, or a flush and beat his straight. Villain donk must really want to get by a flush so bad.

MikelDH1 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]


Thanbks to villains DONK slowplay, I hit a queen, and figure that since nobody would be stupid enough to slowplay a monster on this extrmely drawy board, that my Q, is probably good, and that I now have to bet about 1650 to protect my hand from any possible draws.

If villain had RAISED like he should have on the flop, I would have folded on the flop. And if villain had reraised like he should have on the turn, then I would call/fold depending on the size of the reraise, and certainly would have folded to a big river bet.

But villain stupidly decides to continue to slowplay check call, thus continuing to risk getting beat by a straight or flush
dunnyX checks
GAVR80 checks
MikelDH1: bets [ 1,650 Chips]

Here is where I rightfu7lly bet

dunnyX folds
GAVR80 calls [ 1,650 Chips]

Villain donk calls, instead of reraising, just like he DONK checked slowplayed gave a free card to all possible draws first to act.



** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]

Because of villains donk play earlier, it appears, or see4ms that villain is either on a draw, or bottom to middle pair.


GAVR80: bets [ 31,390 Chips]

villain stupidly donk shoves right here. he risk getting nothing, or getting overstraighted by a better straight. So villain should have EPICALLY FAILED to EXTRACT VALUE

MikelDH1 calls [ 31,390 Chips]

Villain of course gets butlucky that villains earlier DONK play, makes it look like he is either bluff shoving a busted draw, or is semi bluff shoving on bottom pair to middle pair, and or semi bluff shoving top pair crap kicker worse then my top pair,kicker at best




GAVR80 shows [ 5d, 6s ] a straight, eight high
MikelDH1 does not show cards [ Qs, Td ]
GAVR80 wins 67355 chips from main pot with a straight, eight high [ 8c, 7s, 6s, 5d, 4s ]


so if villain hadnt been limping such crap preflop and had folded preflop like he should have, and if villain hadnt donk slowplayed out of position first to act on such a extrmely drawy board, and if villain hadnt donk shoved the river, I either fold on the flop, or I probably call/fold on the river depending on how big he bettted the flop turn and river


So I got donked out again indirectly by Villains DONK play, even though DONK technically had the best hand.

No way in hell would I limp that crap preflop. And no way in hell would I check slowplay a made straight out of position on such a extrmely drawy board vs all the toher players in the hand.

And no way in hell would I flat call the turn, and at least minreraise the turn, to bloat the pot up.

And no way in hell would I DONK shove the river, and risk getting no value. and no way in hell would I not either value bet the river to about 3/5th to 2/3rds the pot to a pot sized bet, or check the river hoping that someone would bet and then call a check raise value bet on the river for value, with a straight.

Donk played it pretty stinky DONKY bad

DONK got butlucky that I am a thinking player that smartly plays by probabilities and likelyhoods, that because of that paid the DONK off.

So again I get punished for being a thinking smart good player, and get DONKed by a DONKS slowplay and a DONK's DONK shove on the river.

really sucks too, because I had a 35k stack, and was in prime position to cash again.

really cant stand donks like this

if donks like this would stop donk playing like this, they would win more and lose less, because they would not get outdrawn on, and would extract value on the river.

And I would win more and lose less as well, to these donks as well.

So out in the $2 super deep stack $100 GTD, thanks to DONK

Last edited by Mikeal_DH; 09-03-2011 at 12:16 PM.
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09-03-2011 , 12:09 PM
Oops sorry for the double post.l I was having internet problems, and didnt think my post had posted the first time
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09-03-2011 , 05:57 PM
No worries, I deleted the first one (the second one had an edit so I left that one up).
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09-03-2011 , 10:38 PM
OMG. No idea where to start with this.

Mike, you have to stop letting your emotions get to you during the game. Turn off the chat and just focus. If you take a bad beat, forget about it. The QT play from above? Don't call the shove. You have TP weak kicker and a guy called your turn bet with the Q showing. That's when you shut down. And when he shoves? He definitely has you beat. You have to fold and preserve your chips for a better spot, when it isn't as obvious that you're beat. (And btw, there is no better straight out there)

The Omaha hand...TT74 really has no potential, even double suited. A lot of the time, you'll make a second or even third best flush. And usually there will be a higher pair out there. And your straight possibilities are really bad ones. It just doesn't have potential to win many hands, even though it looks like it should.

The 55 hand. Don't think about your image in a $1 tournament. It just doesn't matter as much as you think it does. You can be the ULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLTIM ATE TIGHT ASSSSSS!!!!!!! all you want to, but most players won't pay attention to that. When the big stack reraises you, you have to think. And you can think because you're smarter and better than the big stack. The best situation you can hope for is a coin flip. Absolute best. A lot of the time, you'll be crushed by a higher pair. Just fold.
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09-04-2011 , 03:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brownieattack
OMG. No idea where to start with this.

Mike, you have to stop letting your emotions get to you during the game. Turn off the chat and just focus. If you take a bad beat, forget about it. The QT play from above? Don't call the shove. You have TP weak kicker and a guy called your turn bet with the Q showing. That's when you shut down. And when he shoves? He definitely has you beat. You have to fold and preserve your chips for a better spot, when it isn't as obvious that you're beat. (And btw, there is no better straight out there)


I didnt say there was a better straight there, I said his villains slowplay was stupid, because he might get beat by a better straight or a flush by having a 7 or a spade or a club hit the board
I am only going to address this part of your quote.

As to the comments, I made in chat. I wasnt even involved in those hands. I was making fun of the donks by making the comments like: wow nice 85 x BB DONK shove preflop. Or nice KT call of a 4.5 x BB under gun raise preflop.


As to the call I made, I am pretty sure its right MOST of the time in that situation.

and here is why:

1. in these micro's I have seen these fish donks spazz out on middle pair, and Q2. examples of this: a number of tourneys ago, villain limps in with J8 suited. flops top pair of Jacks.I have him dominated with QJ. it gets into a reraising battle and all in he goes and loses. Another example: J9 off raises under gun.20k stack I flat call with AJ suited. with 20k stack A jack hits with a dry rainbow board. I check slowplay. villain bets 500 pot. I check the turn, villain bets 1500, I check reraise all in, villain calls and gets his J9 beat.


This kind of stuff, happens ALL THE TIME. thats why when I folded top pair J k kicker, for the same reason you say to fold, everybody said that it was a bad fold. I also had a 35k stack in that situation. So the KJ situtaion is very similar.You would have argued based on what your telling me here, that I should have folded, Top pair of J's K kicker. I also thought the same as you, which is why I folded my top pair of J's K kicker when I had a 35k stack. But you are wrong, and I was wrong, everybody made a good point, on why I should NOT have folded top pair of J's K kicker: that they are DONKS until they prove otherwise.

So many times when I call there villain will have middle pair K kicker, or top pair of Q's 2 thru 9 kicker, so many times.

2.there was only a 3 card flopped straight. which would mean he would have to have 56, and not only that, but he would have had to have DONK open limped 56 first to act, slowplayed it first to act postflop to the river, thus risking getting beat by a flush or straight, and then shove the river thus risking NOT getting paid off.

a. flopping a nut straight is rare. of course it happens, but its a uncommon to rare occurrence when it does happen.

b. DONK couldnt have played it any more stupidly. In mciro donk stakes, yeah donks will open limp 56 all the time. but usually fish have the sense not to check slowplay the straight on such a extrmely drawy board and risk a 7 or a spade hitting the board thus maybe giving some one else a better straight or a flush. and even if they are stupid enough to give a free card on the flop. The fish are usually not stupid nenough to then also check give a free card on the turn, where again if the Q dont hit and if I check behind(something I would not do, would bet to protect hand from draw)then again donk risk a 7 or a spade or a club hitting the board, and getting beat by a better straight or flush.

c. while donk may do some stupid things. its the combined affect. I am simply NOT gona put villain on open limping 56, flopping a nut straight with 56, donk slowplaying 56 all the way to the river, and then donk shoving the river.

not in a million years would I think I was beat by a straight with villains shove.

d. its more logical, and reasonable to think that villain had A2+ where his kicker connected with the board, or a small 22 thru 77 pocket pair that didnt hit a set(again why would he slowplay a set the whole way, if had a set)and even if he had a set, most of the time villain wont have a set in this situation, and a set, and 2 pair, and 56, is only a very small percentage of his range, possible but NOT PROBABLE, AND NOT LIKELY, or he had Q2, thru Q9

So I am ahead of like 69 to 83% of villains range 4 tro 5 times out of 7 times, when I call villains shove, in this situation, I WIN. well guess what I hit the 2 or 3 times out of 7 times chance that I lose. it comes with the territory of playing according to PROBABILITIES, and LIKELYHOODS

3. also villain could have been shoving midle pair, Q crap kicker like I said above. but also based on donks slowplay, it really does seem that on that extrmely drawy board, that villain could easily be shoving on a busted draw on the river

why else is villain checking giving free cards first to act on the flop and turn, on such extrmely drawy board? he wants to make a draw, and then when I bet, he is probably calling on bottom pair to or also likely has a draw. Oh look a 2 came on the river, that doesnt help any draws, guess his draw didnt get there. oh look villain is shoving on his bottom pair and busted draws(something that some spazzy super loose, hyper over agressive donks do quite often at these micro stakes.)


Do you see how, and why I would logically come to these conclusions.

And also I did consider folding, as I took my time to think about it just to make sure that my logic for calling wasnt flawed.


THe ONLY ONLY ONLY way I was beat, is IF IF villain was stupid enough to combinedly open limp 56, flop a nut straight, check slowplay first to act his small straight on the flop and turn and thus risk getting beat by a better straight and flush, and for villain to then donk shove the river. (THATS NOT BLOODY DAMN LIKELY OR PROBABLE) Or if villain had 2 pair(NOT BLOODY DAMN LIKELY OR PROBABLE) or if villain had trips(NOT BOODY DAMN LIKELY OR PROBABLE) or had my top pair outkicked(NOT BLOODY DAMN LIKLEY OR PROBABLE)

MOST LIKELY OR MOST PROBABLE: Villain had a busted draw, or bottom to middle pair, or a low pocket that didnt hit a set. or Q2 to Q9 top pair crap kicker, or KJ suited AIR

So according to probabilities, and lieklyhoods, there is about a 4 to 5 times out of 7 times chance that I win here, and a 2 or 3 times out of 7 times chance I lose here.

So thats why my call here was right. 4 or 5 times out of 7 times, this call is +EV


Now IF I had known that villain was capable of and was going to play that hand as stupidly as he did, then I would have been able to put him on possibly flopping a monster and then stupidly slowplaying it on such a extrmely draw board, and then donk shoving the river, and would have been able to fold.


But of course I had no way of knowing that.

now I do So like lifesonsrv, he gets a note.
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09-04-2011 , 10:22 AM
1st place $20 in the $1 $25 GTD
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09-04-2011 , 10:28 AM
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1st place $20 in the $1 $25 GTD
Very nice, Mike.
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09-04-2011 , 10:43 AM
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As to the comments, I made in chat. I wasnt even involved in those hands. I was making fun of the donks by making the comments like: wow nice 85 x BB DONK shove preflop. Or nice KT call of a 4.5 x BB under gun raise preflop.
also, stop making comments. nothing good can come out of it. I know people have been suggesting this to you for years now. it's a bad habit and bad for everyone.

I mean, really - you weren't even involved in the hand and you're still table coaching?
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09-04-2011 , 11:03 AM
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1st place $20 in the $1 $25 GTD
woot, congrats mike!

I hope you know that even though you're a great source of entertainment, the vast majority of people who follow your progress do genuinely wish you well. Keep it up buddy.
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09-04-2011 , 04:10 PM
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woot, congrats mike!

I hope you know that even though you're a great source of entertainment, the vast majority of people who follow your progress do genuinely wish you well. Keep it up buddy.
Thanks LO. When I can have my stake be profitable for both me and my staker,backer dwiele, or whoever is backing me, and help me build a bankroll, and educate, help me and others improve, and entertain, and make some friends, all at the same time, thats my goal and what I try for.



btw LO got a question for you, about the QT bust out hand I posted earlier.

altho I think I played it ok postflop, in a 4 out of 7 times + EV situation.

I was wondering if I should have folded QT off preflop, and not even been in that situation to begin with. I know I had a big stack, and was in late position, with limpers in front giving me good pot odds to limp behind, try to flop a monster and stack somebody.

But with a 35k 125 x BB stack did I really need to limp with pot odds with a hand like QT off to try to flop a monster and stack somebody? I am not sure. I am beginning to think that even though or just because its technically correct to limp a hand in a certain situation, doesnt mean you have to, and can fold a hand.

I dont limp a lot, and only limp when its ok to limp, following strict disciplined guidelines on when its ok to limp. But that said, maybe I am limping to much, and getting myself into to much trouble limping, even when its ok to limp.

So what do you think??
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09-04-2011 , 07:49 PM
From what I can make out, there was only one limper? I mean, limping behind in late position is still OK, but only if you're not then going to stack off with top pair. Checking the flop is fine obviously, and betting the turn is also fine though your sizing looks weird (unless you've cut some more limpers out of the HH, 1650 is like 150% of the pot?). The river is a really trivial fold. He needs to be bluffing a ridiculous % of the time for QT to be a profitable call here.

To answer your question, I'd say playing lots of cheap pots in late position is only a sensible idea if you know what you're doing post-flop. Stop stacking off with mediocre paired hands.
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09-05-2011 , 01:41 AM
How do they call your ulllllllllllllllllllltimate tight ass, re-raise..all in? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqqz3...lated#t=01m47s

you vids, Mike. Gonna put up the one you did on Minted on youtube?

PS: Mike's undertitle should be ultimate tight ass, IMO. Or, donk'd out again by a donk. Some best of

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