Ok I took 5 more wonderful BS 4.5 to 5.5 x BB shorty stack beats at the final table to go from 150k 2nd in chips in tourney semi chip leader, to 70k, then to 45k, then to 23k and then I shoved A6 called by big stack and out I went.

4 of the 5 times I was beat by 3.5 to 5.5 shorty stacks I had the best hand.

And I was bad beat like 2 times before that. and I also gave out only 1 coinflip semi bad beat

these wait for AA or blind out being a 3 x BB or less chip squaters are getting darned annoying beating me to death all the time. Really wish they would start shoving wide when they get down to 5 x BB or less.

This was in the $2 super stack $200 GTD where I busted out 7th for $5.65 at the final table

If it werent for the shorty stacks beating me all the time I would have been able to use my 150k stack to finish 2nd to 4th place for a BIG BIG cash.

hopefully these statistical abnormal anomalies of variance STOP happening at least for a while.

Call or fold linecheck, I didnt know to much about villain. He wasnt totally new. But during the time he had been at table, I hadnt seen him get out of line.

What made me fold was not only had he not gotten out of line, but he had a small to almost medium 10k stack size, and when I reraised the one guy, and then he reraised my reraise, and I flatted, I was already wondering if he had QJ or AJ. At first I figured QJ. but when he shoved the turn, I fugred the reason why he shoved, was because he had me beat and he thought I was strong enough to call, because of the strength I had shown. His shove may appear to be fish donkish and risking not getting paid off. But he may have thought I was a average player or fish who might probably stack off on top pair Q,K kicker.

I may have folded the best hand. But 7 times out of 10, I think I am bere in this specific situation, anjd can fold my big stack and find a better spot. If calling is right, I think it would only be just barely +EV in this super deep stack tourney



Everleaf Gaming Game #301629645
***** Hand history for game #301629645 *****
Blinds 50/100 NL Hold'em - 2011/08/29 - 14:46:57
Table 7
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players: 9
Seat 1: katinnyoxx1 ( 10000 Chips )
Seat 2: Synnah ( 9470 Chips )
Seat 3: ing66 ( 10945 Chips )
Seat 4: amscafeaus ( 12930 Chips )
Seat 5: pavlik70 ( 8540 Chips )
Seat 6: rad6 ( 28385 Chips )
Seat 7: MikelDH1 ( 35765 Chips )
Seat 8: wiciu ( 18716 Chips )
Seat 9: mchiney ( 9800 Chips )
mchiney: posts small blind [ 50 Chips]
katinnyoxx1: posts big blind [ 100 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MikelDH1 [ Ks, Jd ]
Synnah folds
ing66 calls [ 100 Chips]
amscafeaus folds
pavlik70 calls [ 100 Chips]
rad6 calls [ 100 Chips]
MikelDH1 calls [ 100 Chips]
wiciu folds
mchiney calls [ 50 Chips]
katinnyoxx1 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Jc, 5d ]
mchiney checks
ing66 checks
pavlik70 checks
rad6: bets [ 600 Chips]
MikelDH1 raises [ 1,650 Chips]
mchiney folds
ing66 raises [ 2,700 Chips]
pavlik70 folds
rad6 calls [ 2,100 Chips]
MikelDH1 calls [ 1,050 Chips]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
ing66: bets [ 8,145 Chips]
rad6 folds
MikelDH1 has used their timebank.
MikelDH1 folds
ing66 does not show cards
ing66 wins 8700 chips from main pot


So what do you guys think??

Call Mike.

Pre flop: Is "ing" limping an over pair? Is he limping AJ? Could he have 88 or 55? Possibly the latter, but unlikely he has 88. You still have 250 BB's if you somehow lose this hand, and 450 if you win. Also notice he's donk-min raising your raise. This is pretty typical of micro limits and once you just call, he puts you on a weak hand and thinks there is a good chance you'll fold to his shove.

I have no idea what the buy in to this is and the HH is a little weird to read because I'm not used to it but yea this is a call all day. I imagine it's how you got your stack to where it already is.

Mike, on another note, poker has a vocabulary of it's own and you add a bit more to that. I'm curious if you've ever talked poker around...let's say your parents or friends that don't play the game? I can see them just having no clue what you are saying. This post is not making fun of you, I'm impressed with how far you've come and some of the correct things you do now that I don't think you would have done before (like shoving Q9 in the SB)

Kudo's man. I just hope this game doesn't waste your life. It's somewhat of a massive waste right now playing these uber uber micro tournaments on a network with very little traffic, but hope that you can have a site to play once the US Gov gets their act together.

Also, are you considering making a video of Minted? I find those a little easier to follow than writing.

The buy in was $2. You answered a question I was gona ask you. And that is if I am ahead there, then shouldnt villain know that, and if he knows that he is beat. Then why would he shove? He should know a semi bluff wont work, and that he normally would have no fold equity to expect a fold from me.

Also how could he think I was weak.I reraised postflop. I had been playing pretty tight, so if I was the other guy playing me, then I would interpret my reraise to mean a really good hand and strength.

And so I figure, he would, or should interpret it the same way, I or any good player would. and if he interprets me as being strong, and he still shoves. how can he not have me beat unless he has QJ, and is overplaying top pair of Jacks Q kicker.

I mean no way in hell would I shove all in against me if I am the other guy, if I dont have me beat, and if I dont think I would call, if I was the other guy.

But you could be right. That he could be a fish donk doing that, because it is $2 buy in. But I figured that he could be a fish donk who was shoving because he thought I would pay him off, and that he has,had no clue about how to value bet smaller to extract value, to make sure he gets paid off.

The more I think about it you are probably right that I may be overthinking this, and outleveled myself, at these low stakes. I probably shouldnt assume, that he wouldnt do something stupid like shoving over my strength,without having me beat.

Also this was just so 50/50 at best for me,or so it seemed to me at the time. and I had a 35k stack, that I wanted to preserve to use as a weapon against the table.

I have seen Gus hansen in videos he made for FTP academy, when he has had hands like AK suited and TT, preflop, and top pair postflop, fold to preserve his chip stack. obviously he almost never ever does that. But he said there were some very rare times when he will fold in order to preserve his stack to continue to use it as a weapon.

Also this was a super deep stack tourney where the starting stacks are 1000 x BB starting stacks. And with stacks that big, I just dont see any reason to go all in over someone else's strength, unless you got that person beat amd you think they will call.

But like I said above, you might probably be right, in that maybe I am overthinking, and misapplying stuff.

thanks for your comment, it was thought provoking

Mike DH

Mike, only had time to read a little bit of what you wrote above but basically the answer is...You are playing at limits where people DON'T think, period.

Don't out-level yourself and just realize that most, if not all, are not thinking about anything. You probably should be playing $5-$10's and even in those I would imagine you're well above the field. There's not too many reg's/or people who know how to play poker well below $20 sng's/MTT's IMO. At least not on these small sites.

So, kill these micro limits but don't over-think and just play abc poker. Hopefully it wont damage your game much and when/if you move up, you can start making more read dependent plays.

About making video's, often these MTT's come up last second, to the point, where I dont have enough time to announce them, let alone set up to make a video.

I will try to make a video.

As to the waste of time thing. It might be a waste of time now. But eventually I will rgind up out of the micro's to the $10 stake levels. I did so before, and I can do so again.

As far as traffic, I really hope they get more traffic.

Maybe when I grind up a big enough roll, I can transfer to someone on everleaf, who then would be able to transfer to me on merge network, as merge has more players.

gl mike!

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thanks for the good comment. I wll try to do what you say, but I wont play strict ABC poker. I may play close to ABC, but I wont play strict exact ABC.

Also there are a few rare really good players at the lower limits on the site. One that has been a regular with me at final tables, based on comments he has made is probably a 2 + 2 poker forums reg. His poker name is ginger bread man

But yeah most people there are fish donks.

ACDC poker is a good alternative to ABC, especially when playing against fish donks.

thanks LO. hey it would be great for me, you, Nofx, and dwiele to talk poker on msn,aim, skype, messenger chat sometime.

lol, no, because the AC/DC music playing in the background would be to much of a distraction

But then again, it would be good practice on tuning out music

lol

hey mike, looks like you're doing well..

as far as what the other poster was talkin about, i agree.

the players on this site and ESP at these limits are mostly huge donks. not much point in trying to out monkey the monkies!

gl gl!

ok going to be playing in the $2 super deep stack $100 GTD

its gona start in about 1 hour and 15 minutes, on minted poker on everleaf network, where my screen name is MikelDH1

I will be making a vid and or doing a live broadcast of the video at Justin TV

break blinds 100/200 with about a 20k stack

the video has been under way. and can either be viewed at justin TV, or can wait until later when I post a link to the broadcast video at justin TV

break 50k stack blinds 500/1000 100 antes.

video is still underway for those who want to watch at justin tv

busted out in 13th place for bout $4.50 or so. had a 100k stack, and blinds were 2k/4k, and 13 x BB 50k short to small stack minraised AQ under gun. I had AJ suited, on the BB. I flat called to defend. Flop hit something like AK9 with possible straight draw and possible flush draw. Because I knew villain might have me outkicked. I checked. And then villain stupidly minbets.. I mean hello, I flatted preflop, I checked, villain should think that there decent chance I might have a draw, and should bet more to protect his hand from being beat by a flush or straight.

But oh no villain has to stupidly small bet slowplay, making it look like he is on bottom,middle pair and or draw , that he is trying to bloat up, should he make draw. So of course I cant just flat call 6k, and give him a cheap card to make a draw. so I reraise to 16000, Then he reraises all in, I call and I am outkicked beat down to 50k. All thanks to villains stupid slowplaying on a extremely drawy board postflop. Had he bet out big, maybe and thats a big maybe, I would have been able to fold escape somehow.

Then later on I shoved a 8 x BB stack from middle position with A7 suited, and get called by AA, and KK, and out I went.

Also the chip squaters were a big problem, at the pace we were at, the blinds were gona be somewhere around 4k/8k to 5k to 10k.by the final table(fthe blinds are usually 1500/3k by the time the final table, at its fastest, for the super deepstack tourney)this just made the stacks really shallow at an average stack size of about 16 x BB stack(mine was a 100k 23 x BB stack.

Also the video is on justin tv if anybody wants to go watch the video on justin tv.

Also I will post the HH, as soon as I find it.

I just thought I would post the results now and post the HH as soon as I found it.

Ok here is the HH that altho didnt bust me out, is the hand that crippled my stack and busted me out. I slightly misremembered the hand. Vilaain had top pair Q kicker outkicking me plus flush draw, which explains his min bet. Still I think its a mistake for villain to min bet. I could have KJ or QJ or a hand that if the right card comes on the turn or the river, I make 2 pair and or a straight and beat him. thats why he should not be minbetting me


But he figures he can slowplay because he has the flush draw, and because he thinks I have a A, and that he is repping a draw, and that I will reraise to protect my hand from the draw. so altho semi bad play by him to minbet. Its also a semi good play showing he thinks well.

At a higher stakes level I probably would have folded AJ here. but at this micro stakes level where players raise bad hands from under gun, I am just not folding AJ on the BB preflop, to a 2.5 x BB raise. If he had raised to 3.5 x BB, I could have folded

All in all I just dont see how I could have gotten away from this hand as played by both villain and me.

Also I will be making a note on this villain, that he is not the average micro donk. that he seems to know how to play, as I have seen him at the final table 2 times before and he finished 2nd in the tourney after I got knocked out

Anyways here is the HH:


Everleaf Gaming Game #301966221
***** Hand history for game #301966221 *****
Blinds 2000/4000 NL Hold'em - 2011/08/30 - 16:50:54
Table 2
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players: 7
Seat 1: fffasteddie ( 29346 Chips )
Seat 2: gingerbreadm ( 83867 Chips )
Seat 3: zascazasca ( 90796 Chips )
Seat 5: MikelDH1 ( 108259 Chips )
Seat 6: lifesonsrv ( 61345 Chips )
Seat 7: OMGAvril ( 60926 Chips )
Seat 9: Smokie ( 40330 Chips )
fffasteddie: posts ante [ 400 Chips]
gingerbreadm: posts ante [ 400 Chips]
zascazasca: posts ante [ 400 Chips]
MikelDH1: posts ante [ 400 Chips]
lifesonsrv: posts ante [ 400 Chips]
OMGAvril: posts ante [ 400 Chips]
Smokie: posts ante [ 400 Chips]
zascazasca: posts small blind [ 2,000 Chips]
MikelDH1: posts big blind [ 4000 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MikelDH1 [ Jd, Ah ]
lifesonsrv raises [ 10,000 Chips]
OMGAvril folds
Smokie folds
fffasteddie folds
gingerbreadm folds
zascazasca folds
MikelDH1 calls [ 6,000 Chips]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, Ac, 5s ]
MikelDH1 checks
lifesonsrv: bets [ 4,000 Chips]
MikelDH1 raises [ 18,000 Chips]
lifesonsrv raises [ 46,945 Chips]
MikelDH1 calls [ 32,945 Chips]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
MikelDH1 shows [ Jd, Ah ] two pairs, aces and jacks
lifesonsrv shows [ As, Qs ] a flush, ace high
lifesonsrv wins 126690 chips from main pot with a flush, ace high [ As, Ks, Qs, Js, 5s ]

will play the $1 $100 GTD with 1 rebuy and 1 add on. It starts in about 17 to 19 minutes from now.

also that video I did for Justin TV using their Dyno desktop capture software, was totally crap. I did a test video of me playing a video game, and that was also a crap video. I thought that the thing just had a hard time recording video games. Now I see the thing makes crap recordings of everything.


So I am going to have to use cam studio, because my debut video capture software, even though it has worked in the past doing screen capture, when I click the screen capture option, the thing keeps on reverting, and doing a webcam video thing, and wont let me do a screen capture.


So I will use cam studio, but cam studio isnt that good either. So if anybody has any good suggestions on a good screen capture software program, that is better then camstudio, or debut video, let me know, and I will try it out.

bubbled out in 16th place 8.5 x BB stack shoved JT on the SB, BB calls with QQ, out I go.

did the $1 buy in $1 add on at start $1 add on at the break for a totall of $3 spent

Mike that AJ hand is a shove pre.

Great to see you back on the grind, excited to see your next video! Good luck man.

Why is the AJ hand a shove preflop LO? I mean if the blinds were bigger, or if villains stack size 3 to 6 x BB smaller, I could see a case for shoving preflop. Also the villain was fairly tight, and hadnt gotten out of line, and I had seen him at other final tables before, where again he had played solid, and hadnt gotten out of line.

I just didnt see villain raising anything less then the following range 85% of the time, under gun:

88,99, TT, JJ,QQ,KK,AA.AT suited,AJ,AQ,AK.

AJ doesnt fare well vs that range. I was pretty sure I had the worst hand preflop. But the reason why I flat called is: that even if I have to fold postflop, I am only out 10k, whereas if A or a J hits the flop, there is a decent chance that postflop of mine might probably be good.as long as villian has 88,99,TT. And even if villian has JJ,QQ,KK, if a A hits the board postflop, I can still win that way, as long as villain doesnt have AK,AQ.


And with the blinds and antes and being the tourney chip leader at 108k chips with blinds 2k/4k, and with me on the blinds, I think AJ is just barely a good enough hand, that I just dont see how I can fold preflop vs a 2.5 x BB raise to 10k


So if my hand is not good enough vs villains range most of the time to shove, and if my hand is just barely good enough to NOT fold vs a 2.5 BB raise to 10k


Then that only leaves minreraising, which would be bad, because then villain is gona reraise all in most likely, or flat call, and then I would be pot commited.

And the only other thing left to do by process of elimination, is flat calling and hope for the best postflop.

So to me flat calling is better then minreraising, which is better then shoving, which is better then folding.

The only way I could advocate shoving, is if I have enough table tight image fold equity, to cause villain to fold preflop.

But with villains range, I dont think villain folds to a reraise shove. And even if villains range is slightly barely wider, without knowing that, I dont think villain would fold because he is almost pot committed.

The only way I shove here is if either I thinki he will fold, or if I think I have a good chance to be flipping.

But I dont think he would fold, and I would be flipping in the extreme best case scenario at extreme best.

So thats my case as to why I wouldnt shove.

But maybe I am overlooking something.

So I would like to know why you think I should shove, and for you to make your case LO.

This was just a really borderline tricky situation.

anyways thanks for your help support, comments LO

Problem: I registered and started playing the $1 $25 GTD freeze out. and then after like 5 to 8 hands into the tourney, the minted poker skin started having connection problems

I checked everything else on my computer and internet, and everything else works just fine.

When I click the minted poker icon on my desktop, a rectangluar black box opens and says "checking nfor newer version, and dowloading update files.txt.

then after a while it opens up a new similar box and says:

"connecting to server 1 atempt 1 thru 10 and a yellow line slowly gradually fills up a long line box, while then saying server 2 1 thru 10 then server 3 attempt 1 thru 10 etc etc etc.

So does anybody know whats going on? If not I will ask neil in the appropiate place in the internet poker section of 2 + 2 forums.

Also its looks like the $1 buy in is gona be lost if this problem isnt fixed

ok everything is ok now. apparently there is this thing called disconnect protection, and I have 2 of them left after this last disconnect. And so I had the $1 credited back to the bankroll.

Also its back up and working again, now. so hopefully that doesnt happen again in the middle of a tourney.

getting really tired of being a STATISTICAL BS ABNORMAL ANOMALY

to show how bad its been:

14 BS beats in the $2 rebuy $200 GTD most of them during the final 1 to 3 tables. total cash BSed out of $10 to $50 average: $19

And after that 4 during another $2 $100 GTD during the last 1 to 2 tables. total BSed out of another $10 to $23 average $17

then another 5 more BS beats at final 1 to 3 tables bsed out of $13

Then during the $2 $$100 GTD I took 4 BS beats at the final table 1 at the final 2 tables and 1 at the final 3 tables total stack that would have been had if not for the BS beats. 700k stack. even if I had taken 1.5 at final table I would have had a 200k stack.

Good enough to win the whole dam thing. Total BSed out of $33

also by BS beats I dont mean just the occasional 70/30 where the 70 loses. I mean 76/24 and not just 1 76/24, I mean something like 1 or 2 76/24's 1 83/17 1 60/40 1 67/33 1 57/43. and its not just the occasional 1 of these, thats BS, its like when 7 or 8 of them are all stringed together at the final table, thats BS.

Also by BS beats, I just dont mean those named above, I mean beats like where a 3.5 x BB finally wakes up with the AA he has been waiting chip squating for. and not just 1 of these, again I am talking about 7 or 8 of these at the final table, where first your unlucky enough to be up against that, and then unlucky that they hold up each time.


Thats about $100 I have been BSed out of over the last 3 to 7 Tourneys.

Its been a miracle luck awesome skill that has made it so that I made it so far as to either bubble out, or mincash, or make the final table and cash,etc etc.

Because normally the shear amount of BS beats would keep someone from even coming close to bubbling, mincashing, or making final table etc.

Its just so frustrating to play so well, and then be the the statistical abnormal murphy of poker anomaly in the short to mid term.

I mean 17 bs beats in 1 freaking tourney that I played in 3 to 7 tourneys ago, destroying my previous record of 12,13, is insanely crazy. thats akin to flipping a coin 1 trillion times and having it come up the same side 200,000 times in a row.

Sorry for the long post or rant, but I had to get this out of my system or go insane crazy.

I will end the post now by summing up:

6th to 8th place finish at the final table for a $6 cash in the $2 super deep stack $100 GTD, after taking 5 or 6 BS beats, 3 or 4 of which happened at the final table.

and oh btw I didnt give out a single bad beat or coinflip semi bad beat all tourney long. not a once.

And the 5 to 7 x BB wait for AA or fold chip squater finished 2nd. CRAZY