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06-30-2015 , 03:36 PM
Agreed. No need to go for it all or bust. Take it to the next package.
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06-30-2015 , 05:19 PM
It's a little odd to have an opinion on the last day, but...

I'm fine with playing extra of the lower variance tourneys. Especially if you have had better recent double-up results. They are not separately reported, so I can't say. Then, fire one more $100 at a live final.


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After Tonight - (save your time today for the lineups) --


This pack 1 was advertised as balancing a lot of double ups with the "shot taking". I need to see more of the shot taking discussion. I don't understand how our expectations can be positive, when we are:

out spent 2-6x in lineup entries, as happened in the $300-$1ks

out spent up to 55x in lineup entries, as happened in the $27 one million on DK, where Maxdalury played 888 lineups and won 40 or more of the top 100 prizes.




I do know that you have balanced somewhat for this effect, in winning satellite tickets. Not surprisingly, we have success in smaller cap tourneys, like satellites, and the recent $50 win for $1000.
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06-30-2015 , 06:57 PM
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out spent up to 55x in lineup entries, as happened in the $27 one million on DK, where Maxdalury played 888 lineups and won 40 or more of the top 100 prizes.
Gonna respond to all of these after lock but I think this article is a good start to this question:

https://rotogrinders.com/articles/br...f-pitch-709171
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06-30-2015 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gooseswild
After Tonight - (save your time today for the lineups) --


This pack 1 was advertised as balancing a lot of double ups with the "shot taking". I need to see more of the shot taking discussion. I don't understand how our expectations can be positive, when we are:

out spent 2-6x in lineup entries, as happened in the $300-$1ks

out spent up to 55x in lineup entries, as happened in the $27 one million on DK, where Maxdalury played 888 lineups and won 40 or more of the top 100 prizes.

I do know that you have balanced somewhat for this effect, in winning satellite tickets. Not surprisingly, we have success in smaller cap tourneys, like satellites, and the recent $50 win for $1000.
Let me start off with I've noticed the smaller tourney wins as well, I have put an additional focus the last 7-10 days in the 100 man leagues in the FD lobbies and playing all the $1-5 ones that fill up and spreading them across the lineups, they are very soft and have been definitely a way to help keep the BR in better shape as we chase big scores


I'm going to answer your question about the out-lineup'd in explaining how its different than poker multi-entry because I think there is a misconception (not just with you but within the industry of people that play and get frustrated about it) about what mutli-entry allows

In poker multi-entry, you get pros who get to get 4-lives and get to constantly make +ev decisions over hours and hours to lower their variance and give them more chances to make FT's

In DFS it sort of works like that but its not the same, the skill edge comes before the games ever start in your research preperation, but once the games start there is nothing you can do... so while multiple lineups allows you to cover more squares on the board its not like poker where those decisions are compounded over hours and hours so the edge of multi-entry is lower than most people believe

And while we will be outspent by the gandondorf's, mcjesters, bcalicores (guys i've all met and consider to be good friends), we are prolly in the top 1% in terms of entries played in a single night... we aren't 1xing the slam and rally, so we are doing a decent job of covering squares


I think this is a good start to your question, and feel free to ask more or ask about certain spots... there are a bunch of analytic articles done about multi-entry I can link in here as well to help once I get a feeling about what your interest (or concern) is in it
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06-30-2015 , 07:24 PM
Chris Davis BOMB!!! He's on 3 of 7 teams!
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06-30-2015 , 09:05 PM
make that 2 bombs for davis!!!
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06-30-2015 , 10:52 PM
Need 10 from Calhoun to make the top 100, let's go

Hope Sale can pitch 12 innings so the sox may actually score again.
-- They should have left him in, he's scored the only run.

Last edited by gooseswild; 06-30-2015 at 11:04 PM.
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07-01-2015 , 02:37 AM
stupid 3 run top of the 10th for the dodgers cost us 800 (was still up it after the 1st run too sigh)

But we still got full value for our tickets and made $400... solid day but god so close to a great one... every team had one guy put up a -1 to kill dreams...

Final BR is going to be right around 5k when its all said and done... I'll do the math tomorrow when I'm not as tired and have some time
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07-01-2015 , 02:44 AM
If you aren't rolling over into the new package, please pm me your payment info and I'll get that out sometime in the next 24 hours once i figure out the numbers!
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07-01-2015 , 08:02 AM
Rolling over to package 2
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07-01-2015 , 04:11 PM
Final BR was 4883.23 so we'll round up to 4900 to make it easier

1% = 49.00
2% = 98.00
5% = 295.00
10% = 490.00

Package 2 is up if your interested... pm me payment info if you are not
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07-01-2015 , 06:13 PM
5% = 245

Will ship difference on Paypal for package 2
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07-02-2015 , 02:36 AM
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Let me start off with I've noticed the smaller tourney wins as well, I have put an additional focus the last 7-10 days in the 100 man leagues in the FD lobbies and playing all the $1-5 ones that fill up and spreading them across the lineups, they are very soft and have been definitely a way to help keep the BR in better shape as we chase big scores
This is the first I remember reading about smaller cap tourneys, and it answered more of my balancing question. I played these and 50/50s about 2 days a week over the same timeframe, and had "educational" returns of 33%, even with repeated pitching letdowns. They must be soft. Or I run hot with cheap SS picks.


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... so while multiple lineups allows you to cover more squares on the board its not like poker where those decisions are compounded over hours and hours so the edge of multi-entry is lower than most people believe
Facing hypothetical players with 100 entries, I would see them stacking 5 teams that they love, 15 different ways each. And still having 25 entries left for mixed lineups of the best value hitters. There has got to be a problem in running into several of these players in the truly big tourneys.

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I think this is a good start to your question, and feel free to ask more or ask about certain spots... there are a bunch of analytic articles done about multi-entry I can link in here as well to help once I get a feeling about what your interest (or concern) is in it
I would read a couple analytical articles. The article you posted was something I reviewed the week of the tourney, and it was not surprising for the top category by # entries to have the biggest returns (100%+). But it WAS surprising that all but one other tier of # entries lost. And frankly an argument against being a small entry player.
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07-02-2015 , 03:03 AM
rollover 2% at the 80/20 rate. Win all the $300 tickets you can.

Run the purest you can imagine with pitching.
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07-03-2015 , 02:49 AM
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This is the first I remember reading about smaller cap tourneys, and it answered more of my balancing question. I played these and 50/50s about 2 days a week over the same timeframe, and had "educational" returns of 33%, even with repeated pitching letdowns. They must be soft. Or I run hot with cheap SS picks.




Facing hypothetical players with 100 entries, I would see them stacking 5 teams that they love, 15 different ways each. And still having 25 entries left for mixed lineups of the best value hitters. There has got to be a problem in running into several of these players in the truly big tourneys.



I would read a couple analytical articles. The article you posted was something I reviewed the week of the tourney, and it was not surprising for the top category by # entries to have the biggest returns (100%+). But it WAS surprising that all but one other tier of # entries lost. And frankly an argument against being a small entry player.
Its baseball which is an event based sport so even the best matchups can go 0-4...

All the tiers lose because of the rake... but the best players will make money at all the BI levels... the point was that no # of entries guarantees anything...

But don't get me wrong, playing that number of teams lowers the variance... I'd love to get to that kind of BR and volume one day because I can definitely murder the games... just requires money to make money
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