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05-25-2013 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chiparchitect
I moved in to this house at the beginning of the month. So far everything has been great. Also, Jake has been very helpful and is a nice guy.
Thanks, I was a little concerned how the new people might react to this situation. Your deposit is safe, and you will be refunded when you move out. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you.
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05-25-2013 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by djz
yea when i was living there jake was fine and extremely helpful to me and others in the house (this is another reason i've given him so much leeway). it was only after i tried to get my deposit back that i've had any trouble with him.
Thank you for the kind words despite our current disagreement.
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05-25-2013 , 02:26 PM
I also strongly believe Jake in saying that he tried to cut corners in regards to getting Andrew the best deal and therefore delaying it. As a fact, i was present when the first carpet cleaners showed up, and he negotiated them down from like $250 to $100 on your behalf (he also collected some coupons to get the best deal pre).
Also, in my numerous dealings with Jake i NEVER felt uncomfortable about him holding my money (btw, i always pay multiple months in advance and of course have a security deposit for my balcony room in place).


Thanks BB. I had forgotten I used a coupon. HAHA.
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05-25-2013 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MBomb
I'm pretty sure that replacing the carpet will cost far more than 200 dollars....
Probably, but maybe I will be surprised. I've never had a single room of carpet replaced before. My original guess was about $400.
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05-25-2013 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mike28
I don't really know the specifics with the deposit/carpet, but I have known Jake for roughly 2.5 years and have done a pretty substantial amount of business with him.

The idea of him being a scammer or even remotely close to that is ludicrous. It seems this whole situation seems to have just devolved to personal drama. 'Oh I'm going to make you look as bad as possible" "Ok I'll make things as difficult for you as possible" etc

Jake is the epitome of overworked and underpaid. It's not uncommon to see him practically bend over backwards to help people out and make virtually nothing off of it. Even in scenarios where there's been a problem I've 100% created myself, Jake has always been more than willing to help out and try to get things righted.

Bustos, mega ballers, doesn't really matter. Damn near everyone I know has echoed these sentiments about Jake.

Again, this just seems like it's gone personal and isn't even about the carpet anymore. You're both adults, this 2p2 tar campaign is pointless and there's no reason to both just resolve this issue in a simple manner.

quick edit: about Jake being busto/debt etc. My typical tab with Jake is like min $500+ and it usually rolls for a few months, so I can't really see that being the case.
Thanks mike28
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05-25-2013 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by allinNit
Room still availabil? I'm going to be down mon. Would like to take a look pm me.
No rooms available currently. I think we are booked through September. I will be offering any of the new arrivals the opportunity to leave the house if they feel uncomfortable with me after these posts. I don't think anyone is going to take that opportunity, but if they do there are a few others interested in a room as well. I will let everyone know.
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05-25-2013 , 03:32 PM
I am going to try to make this my final post on the matter. With the exception of potential pictures and text conversations. I am currently withholding those because Andrew is threatening me with a lawsuit. I will be saving them for a potential court date.

The property manager has been called and the carpet damage is being assessed. I am currently on their timeline and at the mercy of their company of choice.

Andrew will be paid his deposit back minus all reasonable damages. There is a chance the damages exceed the $725, and I am wondering if Andrew is willing to pay me the extra he owes me if that happens. I do not expect this to be cheap. I expect Andrew's answer to be something along the lines of : There is no way it will cost that much. :

That being the case, are you willing to pay me the extra money if I can prove it legitimately did cost more than $725 total?


also sick brag about your reg-date.
I didn't brag about my reg date. You continue to misread information. I bragged about my length of service to poker players in this community. It's something I am proud of. I compared my length of service to your reg-date. Here is a brag about my reg date...My 2p2 registration date is actually 2/10/2004. You were 16 years old. The Jake is a profile I was instructed to make when I bought space in the inaugural Commercial marketplace. I haven't used my old profile since.

i even found a number for a carpet cleaner which i sent to you.

I have no record of this. I challenge you to provide proof you sent this to me. How did you send it? Text? facebook? email? mail? 2p2 pm?

I look forward to your response.


i was perfectly happy to spend some of my deposit on an EXPERT cleaner to remove the stain. since presumably my deposit was in the bank it wouldn't have been a big deal to withdraw some and pay the cleaner no?

A professional cleaner was hired. We have discussed this. This has been mentioned in previous posts. Why do you persist to ignore this fact and continue to suggest that a carpet cleaner was not used?

as per jake's request i have attempted to reach him over email since the last text message where he's made it clear that he isn't willing to communicate over text. seems he isn't willing to communicate over email either (i asked him via email about 24 hours ago for the landlord's contact information). so i'll ask via 2p2 if he could PM me it to me

I received an email on Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:56 AM. I was busy responding to your 2p2 post and didnt see it till the evening after being up for 36+ hours straight. You continue to make false and exaggerated claims about how I am handling this. At the 16 hour mark, you claim it had been nearly 24 hours. I responded to your email on Sat, May 25, 2013 at 8:44 AM. That is almost 24 hours, and a perfectly reasonable response time.

since he also suggested i take him to court, i have contacted an attorney and need the landlord's information in order to pursue this matter. NV state law entitles me to up to 2x the security deposit if it is not paid back within 30 days.

I didn't suggest it, you threatened it. I welcomed it. I still welcome it. I am confident you will not win the case beyond getting what I am already offering. I know some of you disagree, but not all information has been shared on this thread, and I can not release that information until this potential lawsuit has been quashed. At best you will get money back minus the damages, which I am already willing to do without a lawsuit. I feel confident that any judge will see my actions as having acted in good faith, and not award you extra damages.

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About these email conversations...
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He has requested the property manager's contact information, and quoted NV state law.

Here is my response.

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To Andrew Kagan

Thank you for emailing me as I have requested.

At this time I will not be giving you the property manager or home owner's contact information, but I will be looking into whether or not I have to by law. I am sure that at the very least the law dictates I have a few days to answer your request. I do not believe your request to be valid. You were never on the lease. You stayed with us for a little over a month. You were not even month to month, your departure time was set when you moved in. You were allowed to stay with us, and you did pay for the time you stayed with us. I am not sure how the law would interpret your status as a legal tenant. I feel at best you would be considered a sublet.

Neither the property manager nor the the homeowner has any record of your brief stay with us. The only thing the information could possibly do for you is get us in trouble with them. This is not a solution to your problem, and seems more like revenge. Your problem is with me, and I would like you to direct any legal matters at me. Please leave the other roommates in the house alone. People live here, and they have done you no wrong. I do not even live at the house. If you try to contact the property manager or home owner you will cause damage to eight people living in the house and none to me. I doubt this will be favorable for you in any way. You can't win a case vs. them. I doubt the 2p2 community will favor this kind of action either. If you have to sue someone, sue me.

I urge you to reconsider your pending lawsuit. It will take place in small claims court, and I feel confident I can prove that I have acted in good faith. You would probably get a judgment for $725 minus legitimate damages you caused to the house. I am already willing to provide this for you. If you feel that you have suffered more damages, then by all means, it is your right to pursue me in court. I have come to realize that I made a mistake in treating the situation like this. You were not cooperating with me, and I should have instead cooperated with you despite having reservations. I have now taken the proper steps to meet you where you wanted me.

I have called the property manager and asked about the carpet stain. He is going to asses the damage and give me a bill for the carpet. I will get you an itemized list of what you owe and subtract it from the $725 and pay you the remainder.

Do you have any questions or suggestions regarding the repayment of anything I owe you? If your only correspondence with me is going to be hostile or legal action then please contact me certified mail.


Do not text me any more. Do not call me.

Jason Curran
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Originally Posted by Andrew Kagan
I just want my deposit back. If you fail to give it to me and the tenants whom you assist are adversely affected by me recovering it that is entirely YOUR fault for creating this scenario for them not mine.
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Originally Posted by Andrew Kagan
Even if 2p2 gets mad at me for following this up in court (note: I think everyone who's read the thread agrees I'm owed the security deposit minus itemization) it isn't important to me and I just want to recover what is owed. I'm happy to give updates in the thread or whatever and let people make their own judgement Also it is really dumb to think that I'm that worried about what 2p2 thinks though I believe they're on my side...I am going to law school in the fall and won't be a fulltime poker player after that.
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All of my actions within that community have been 100% honest
To Andrew: Answer my challenge in this thread. It is only one example of you being less than 100% honest.

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Also I am not screwing over anyone; you are screwing yourself/me over by dragging this out. And I guess according to you you are screwing over the tenants at Big Creek Court if you aren't able to resolve this.....
I'm asking you not to drag innocent people into this because of your problem with me. I am doing everything I can to fix this situation now. I thought this was settled begrudgingly months ago when I put the $300 into escrow.

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Just settle the matter in a way that's satisfactory and timely (full itemization, etc.) and I'll drop the matter.
I believe it is clear that I am currently fixing the problem I have just promised you exactly this.

i will be bumping this thread every few days with updates re: my deposit and legal action until the matter is settled.

I believe that this thread getting bumped for this purpose is becoming unreasonable. You have already made your concerns known. I welcome any feedback positive or negative, but keeping the thread going on every thing that happens is just drama. If you must post updates about the legal action, I suggest you talk to the moderators and find a more appropriate place. If they suggest you post here, then post here.
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05-25-2013 , 04:52 PM
how does it take 16 hours to respond to an email with one question in it? (the contact info for the property manager/landlord)... which you refused to give since you say you don't have to. i followed your direction to contact you via email. you don't respond to it and instead post it and your response on 2p2. you are making yourself look really good...

this is mega-ironic considering you're the one pointing out how much younger i am than you. there is some saying about age and maturity forget how it goes though.

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I'm asking you not to drag innocent people into this because of your problem with me. I am doing everything I can to fix this situation now. I thought this was settled begrudgingly months ago when I put the $300 into escrow.
it's your fault not mine if other people are adversely affected by your mismanagement of my money.

i texted you the name of a cleaner but it's somewhere in your massive spazz of text message responses. obv you can't handle simple questions or requests and your reaction is to bug and spew series of extremely long texts/emails/spend 10hrs writing posts on 2p2.

to be 100% clear on the matter, jake was the one i suggested i contact an attorney and go to 2p2. i was fine settling this privately i only went here after jake's massive SMS bugout at me where he told me to post and to take him to court and the suggestion of another former tenant.

if the damages are >(the security deposit) you can come get them from me at the bellagio or venetian 5/10 nlhe and RIO 5/5 plo games. i will be playing fullring for partial rolls most of the summer. if going to the strip is too much of a schlep you want i'll give you my SNs and sites i play at and just sit at my tables

what if damages are zero? will you pay me the deposit + my hourly for making me deal with a bunch of BS that should've been settled months ago?

you realize that even if you are brad booth/unluckiest SOB alive/everyone in the thread vouches for this you/i win the WSOPME you still have to pay what is owed to me right?

Last edited by djz; 05-25-2013 at 05:04 PM.
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05-25-2013 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew Kagan
i texted you the name of a cleaner but it's somewhere in your massive spazz of text message responses.
Proof please. Prove you sent me a name and phone number of a cleaner to call. This should be easy. Texts are logged.

It didn't happen.

Last edited by The Jake; 05-25-2013 at 05:06 PM.
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05-25-2013 , 05:20 PM
can't find. w/e. it's in my phone somewhere. if i didn't give the name of the cleaner i don't see why it matters though....i offered to pay for one out of my deposit and you refused. it literally takes five seconds to google a pro-cleaner. obv there is a big difference between paying a cleaner 100-200$ to clean the entire house and giving someone 200$ to fix one spot. if the 2nd pro cleaner can't remove the stain then it is deducted from my deposit...since i would assume my money is in the bank i don't see why you couldn't have just withdrawn it and paid the cleaner. obv this would be cheaper than replacing the entire carpet.

regardless you are only focusing on really minor details (how we communicated/whether or not i gave a phone number). ok, we did not communicate on facebook. this is not a grievous lie or anything. you are the one who wanted to make me wait 6 months for my deposit so you could deceive the property manager that is extremely serious.

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I'm asking you not to drag innocent people into this because of your problem with me. I am doing everything I can to fix this situation now. I thought this was settled begrudgingly months ago when I put the $300 into escrow.
you are imagining this is personal when really it's not.

from mid-march 2013 it's cropped i can include everything but it has names in it of people i'd rather not include. idk if jake has persecution complex or what. i just want my moneys.

since you've decided to make any correspondence we have public can you please explain how taking you or the property manager to court would affect anyone in the house?
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08-24-2013 , 02:13 PM
We've got another room open now and another soon. Please pm me. i may be slow to respond, i will not be in a good service area till tuesday night.
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08-26-2013 , 07:43 PM
Currently wrapping up my 2 month stay in the house. Highly recommend it. Great environment to play poker, guys are cool, and Jake made sure I had everything I needed.
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09-03-2013 , 01:48 PM
I am back from vacation and have returned all PMs, Still one room open. Weather in Vegas is about the be the best of the year. Ultimate Poker has a good VIP program.
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09-03-2013 , 03:40 PM
Im very interested. Broke up with my girlfriend and we still live together. I am obviously looking to move out as soon as possible.
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09-03-2013 , 03:44 PM
I dont know how to pm i just joined this site. Im very interested.

wineworldmatt@gmail.com
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09-03-2013 , 11:41 PM
Oh No... I am sorry about your recent abrupt life changes. I've been in that spot before...

We have an immediate opening. Would you like to come take a look tomorrow?
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09-04-2013 , 09:26 AM
I have to pass at this time, but thank you.
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09-13-2013 , 10:16 PM
I am interested if its still available. I am a MTT grinder, online and live, I also play cash. I live in LA currently but am looking to move to vegas.
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09-14-2013 , 11:06 AM
Hey, if the room is still open would you rent for a week? My friend and I are coming in for the Silva Weidman rematch/ new years and trying to find a place to stay.
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09-14-2013 , 05:13 PM
Will you guys have a room spare in December?
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09-30-2013 , 05:59 AM
If I have missed anyone for PMs, please let me know. Still a room open.
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09-30-2013 , 07:39 AM
Hey The Jake,

I might be interested. I am already in Vegas looking for a place. I am Worm311 on Ultimate poker
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10-02-2013 , 01:22 PM
Hey Worm311. If you can not PM yet, do you want to email me?

Jake@stakejake.com
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10-06-2013 , 01:49 PM
I've stayed at the house after Andrew moved out. I've actually stayed at that same room. Just wondered upon this thread because I'm looking to go somewhere again. I just want to say that after living at the house for 1.5 months I've never felt like Jake was trying to scam me or anything, in fact, quite the opposite. He was always helpful, straightforward and honest. I've got my security deposit back the day of my departure without any problems.

Max.
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10-09-2013 , 03:26 AM
Max! We miss you around the house, and thanks for your kind words. There hasn't been a decent game of darts since you left. Have a good time with your next trip , wherever it may be.
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