good to hear. Jason e-mailed me after I made my post above and said he's just trying to pay people in order of who needs the $ most. So I guess I'll likely be one of the last to be paid.

Hey guys-

I have nothing to add to this thread in terms of new information, but I just wanted to offer my condolences for the loss of atleast what most would consider a decent amount of money. I usually lurk in MTTc, OP, and NVG so I just wandered onto this thread. For years, I have seen Senjitsu around and always assumed what many others have, that he was a legit member of the community. It makes me really angry to see threads like these even though they don't affect me; I realize how easily I could've been one of you.
I think you guys handled this as best you could, and I think it's a good thing that you got all of the info out into cyberspace so anyone with half a brain could avoid the same happening to them.

That being said, I hope everyone who is owed money gets back every cent that they are owed and that you guys continually bump this thread until some sort of a satisfactory ending to this ordeal has been reached.

-Homestar

I posted this 45 days ago. The time you have given jason has been more then reasonable.

Or more likely he paid you because you posted in this thread . How does he know "who needs the money most?"

Sounds to me like he wants to get it all resolved but the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

Just received my $ from Jason/Senjitsu. He said I'm the last one that was owed money. Mods can we start the process of locking+deleting this thread?

edit: mods do whatever you think is best with this thread.

Why should this thread be deleted?

I guess I'll leave it up to the mods then. I think at least the pics should be deleted.

+1

that would be the dumbest thing ever

yeah sorry I don't know how this generally works but I guess it's a dumb idea. Was just trying to clear his name a little since he paid people in the house back.

^ How about these guys?

Or r u basing it strictly from what Jason has been telling u? Because that would be unfair to others who still have a conflict with him.

When I say "everyone" I'm referring to people in the wsop house. That was the purpose of this thread.

jason still owes me money $650....

We (myself, Vinny, Jocob, and Matt) were the original 4 guys living in the "WSOP" house when all this **** went down, donkey_king and anyone else showed up after us. Everyone paid back, with the exception of Hoop who was there before we got there, never lived in the house with Jason. Jason has paid back I guess most? of the people he was going to screw had he not gone to jail (i.e. all the people he paid back thought they had rooms in the house but IF they had showed up while me, matt, vinny, jacob, and hoop were there there, which some did, man there would have been fireworks; Jason avoided this because he was in jail the entire week+ some of these people started showing up to the house and the 4 of us had to deal with it). The fact remains Jason sold rooms to Donkey_king and others that he didn't have. The fact remains Jason still has thousands of myself, Jacob, Matt, and Vinnys money. He claims he isn't paying us because we owe him for things such as the deposit on the house (but donkey_king did you have to put down for the deposit on the house? no. and neither did we), and Jason's lies and excuses go on and on but have NOTHING to do with us and our original agreement with Jason to live in the house for a few weeks to a few months depending on each of our four arrangements (also notice he paid back Hoop but not the four of us, lol wtf he was in the house too - Hoop is a great guy so I am happy he got money back but again it was at the expense of us). Jason has twisted the deposit on the house plus other lies into an excuse to not pay the four of us back. To make it truly right we should be paid back for the time we paid for in the house that we did not receive and until Jason does that, he remains the scumbag seen in this thread. I could go on and on about more lies and stealing Jason has done like how he still owes the original tenants that he took the house over from in Jan. 2010 thousands that he hasn't paid but whats the point? I am not getting my money back and Jason has laughed in our face and instead demanded money from us....sigh. Deleting or locking this thread seems pretty unreal, but w/e mods do as they wish. And giving Jason back any level of trust or involvement in this community seems outrageous but that is up the mods.

As I said in my previous post I am done with this ****, but seeing people say all is well and this thread is over and Jason is in good standing paying everyone back is lol so I had to respond.

sick brag

gl idareyou

He doesn't deserve to have his name cleared. He scammed people out of thousands of dollars and allegedly still owes people money. Everyone deserves to know what went down.

Fwiw Jason if you do feel like ever paying that you can send me my share on Stars or Tilt. Screen name is Xaston.

jason yet again emailed me and told me an excuse and promised he was about to pay me. this was two weeks ago and i have heard nothing since. i really dont know why he keeps doing this to me

I am loathe to bump this thread, But i think youre right, everyone does deserve to know what went down (in case its not obvious, this is Senjitsu)

But thats not really what this thread does. There isnt an ounce of substantiation in it. Many of the accusations presented are outright lies. Many more are gross exaggerations. They have all been allowed to stand without the tiniest scintilla of substantiation.

So im posting here to set the record straight. I expect this account will be banned shortly after i post, though if there are any questions and it is not i will answer them.

First of all, heres what _did_ happen.

I was arrested in september of 2009 for using phony documents to create bank accounts. I eventually accepted a deal to plead guilty in exchange for probation. When a deal like this is reached, a "sentencing hearing" is scheduled where the person is formally put on probation. This is kind of a formality in cases where a plea arrangement is made. This was scheduled for me in january, then later rescheduled for march then for early april then for late april (this was all due to the court being overloaded). I screwed up the dates, missed the hearing in late april, and the judge issued a bench warrant for me.

In mid may, when i realized my error, i contacted my attorney and we were trying to work out getting a date set in court for me to appear and quash the warrant without going to jail and having to sit and wait in jail for a week. I was not running from this hearing, and not making any attempt to hide. The court had my address, and with cable, phone, electricity and other utilities in my name where i lived i wasnt very hard to find.

During this time period, i took over the lease on the Tranquil Seas house. Unfortunately, i had a bunch of unexpected financial issues, and that added to us having trouble filling all the rooms led to my being late with rent for both april and may.

Because of this, on june first (rent was due by the 5th) the landlord asked me to voluntarily terminate the lease. I agreed to do so, based on the conditions that we wouldnt be penalized for the early termination, and that he would provide rooms to any of the roommates who wanted them and that our security deposit (5800) would be applied to the cost of those rooms.

Worth noting here that this is incorrect. I never signed an eviction notice. The landlord and I agreed mutually to terminate the lease early.

We signed this agreement around 10PM on june first. About an hour later the police came and arrested me for the bench warrant, which obviously prevented me from ensuring that the landlord abided by his end of the agreement (we could have required him to as a condition of leaving the house... the other roommates didnt know that though)

Here is a copy of the termination agreement https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=...thkey=CO3iloQC

Observant readers will note that the termination agreement doesnt specify in writing that the LL is going to provide these rooms. At the time, i felt that it was not necessary to have this in writing because i did not feel that the LL was trying to screw us (especially after i agreed to terminate the lease, which would allow him the rent out the property for double the rate we were paying and have more peace of mind.) and because i felt that we had options should the LL refuse to provide the rooms he promised.

Observant readers will also note that hoop (hoopaloopa) is listed as a witness to the agreement. Hoop was there when this agreement was being made. Hoop was there when all the LL agreed to provide rooms for everyone displaced by the lease termination

As ive said before, this is all my fault. The rooms werent there, i wasnt around to take care of it because of personal baggage in my life and I take full and complete responsibility for that failure and the failures that lead up to it.

So thats what happened.

Here is what did not:

I did not scam anyone.
I did not rent out rooms i didnt have.
I did not steal the rent money from the people renting rooms from me and not give it to the landlord.
I did not steal peoples security deposits.

Yes, i know, there are several claims to the contrary itt, and I am going to address them in a second post, because this one is becoming too long. If the mods want to ban me while im writing it thats certainly their privelage, but if the real goal of this thread is to record this event because "people deserve to know what happened" then i dont suppose they should (the third post is going to be an update on everyone who is owed money or says they are, in case you all are wondering)

The idea that i was double booking the rooms in the house is used itt from the very beginning to try to establish that this was some sort of a scam. The people making these accusations, however, have never been asked or required to provide even the most basic substantiation -- for example, if the claim is "Jason rented five rooms to ten people", shouldnt the person making the claim be required to provide ten names, or screen names, or something along those lines?

Maybe they did and I missed it. Its pretty obvious to idonkyou -- obvious enough that hes accusing me of a crime on a public forum. So im asking you specifically Idonk -- you claim i rented five rooms to ten people. Please tell me the ten people to whom i rented the rooms or recant your accusation.

I did contact Donkeyking to find out why he was claiming that there were ten people in the house, in spite of having never been there. He also couldnt tell me who these extra people supposedly were. Here is the email he sent me in response:
When i asked hoop who these ten people that he told donkeyking about, here is the conversation we had over IM.

In fact, there was only one person that showed up after i was arrested. Robhimself. He arrived half a day before hoop left. During the 12 hour or so window when they were both there, there were 7 people who had rented rooms in the house (there were btw, six rooms in the house, not 5), and 8 people. For the entire time except for those twelve hours, there were 6 people that rented rooms, in OMG six rooms. Math works. Yes, there was one extra person who was not renting a room but who was a guest of one of the ppl that was (Eddie, Goking's friend, if memory serves). My policy was that guests were allowed for extended periods. Hoop, out of the three months he lived in the house, probably had a guest living there for 30 days +. Donkey_king also inquired about this policy and i told him at the time that guests were fine. Hell, even PCallinallin, who wasnt even paying rent, had a guest sleep over for like 3 nights.

This said, there is a grain of truth in all this. Had the lease continued, we would have been overbooked by one tenant for about seven days. At the time, i planned to take volunteers to go to the rio or the platnuim for a week or see if ben wanted to (he was the last one arriving, and the one for whom there wouldnt be room). Whats worse, this week of being overbooked by 1 was actually shorter than it should have been -- ben was arriving a week later than we initially had expected him.

However, it wasnt part of some scam (i guess to get an extra weeks worth of rent?), it was a combination of me being bad at planning and being way too flexible with people about when they were arriving or departing.

The second theory behind this scam is that I was collecting rent and not giving it to the landlord. And that, as a result, the rent was months behind when the lease was terminated. This just isnt true. I have a spreadsheet accounting, sent to hoop and I by the Landlord, that indicated a total of just shy of 23K of payments made to he landlord, including three months of rent (march, apr, and may) and one month security deposit. So basically 5850*4.

I am not going to post it itt, because it contains some sensitive information. However, in addition to hoop and I, I will share the link with ben or rob or a mod if they wish to see it and confirm it itt.

There are a few other things i want to cover, but im going out. Pretty much the same deal as before. I think what ive posted so far demonstrates that there is plenty of info that needs to be added to the thread. And there is no doubt that a ban that serves from preventing me from posting it is specifically _against_ the interest of people knowing what really happened.

what about the house before this one?

For someone who was bumping this thread a while ago, you seem awfully eager to change the subject now.... Or is your point that the outright, baldfaced falsehoods itt are OK because of something you think i did somewhere else?

regardless, id just as soon stick to the issue at hand and get all the information out in the open... this is my last tldr post on the subject, about the accounting.

First of all, the people that were owed money that were paid.

Hoop[aloopa] (1552)
ben [donkeyking] (1500)
rob[himself] (850)
Jon [gokings1] (1550)
craig [liveforever] (500)

Of all of these, liveforever is the only one who hasnt been paid in full (he still has 650 outstanding). As i believe has been noted itt, i tried to pay everyone back with the lowest stakes players first and the highest stakes players last. Craig was originally between jon and Hoop, but i had the numbers wrong and had marked him as paid in full even though he had only been partially paid.

I realized my error when he contacted me after ben posted that the payments were complete. It also became apparent shortly after that that ben and others intended to keep my personal information and personal photographs posted here.

So fine. My information stays up, craig doesnt get paid. Simple as that.

Normally itt, this is where the crack 2p2 legal team chimes in with some lame threat to try to screw up my probation. This, is obviously your perogative. Should you elect to do so, however, at that point i will only provide payment to craig when ordered to do so by a judge.

Hate to have to be a douche about this, but i want my info removed, and this is the only thing i have to bargain with.

This leaves 6 people who claim to be entitled to payment but who are not.

Groves (Shamrock) and Jamie (xaston)

These were two of the original residents of the house who left in mid april (groves on the 14th and xaston on the 16th, if i recall correctly) with no notice whatsoever. I found out Groves was leaving when I saw a moving van parked in front of our house. Xaston just wasnt there one day.

Our original (verbal) lease agreement specified that they were going to continue to stay in the house and pay 1K/mo rent, and that either party could elect to end the lease with 30 days notice. Both of them had security deposits on with the landlord as part of the original lease they signed with twelver, and when i took the lease over i bought them out of their respective shares and allowed them to continue on the lease with no deposit.

So basically their issue (if im guessing correctly, although both of them posted itt claiming that i scammed them and owed them money, neither has contacted me personally since they left the house) is that they paid for the entire month of april, but only stayed half of the month, so are therefore entitled to a refund of half the months rent.

They aren't. You cant just walk out on the lease halfway through the month and expect a prorated refund. Even if i was going to refund them for the days in the month they weren't there, they left me holding the bag for:

Their share of the utilities, which were 20% each of almost a full month (most of our utilities went from the 20th to the 20th)... my guess is that it would have been around 200ish-250ish a piece.

~130 worth of pay per view that they ordered on my cable account and never paid for.

A $120 cleaning bill for xastons room

So basically even if I was going to pay them for the time they paid for but didnt stay (which i am under no obligation to do), that would just about be covered by the utilities, PPV and cleaning they left me holding the bag for.

The "new" house people laffer, kirk, bgsa, and jacob.

As ive mentioned before, the landlord kept our entire $5850 security deposit. Of this, ~1100 (i can get the exact # if someone wants it) was applied to cover the rent for the final week we were in the house, leaving 4750 that I was supposed to get back.

I took the $4700 and devided this equally among all of us who were at the house for a significant peroid of time. This is an exceprt from the accounting of damages i recieved from the landlord.

The landlord told me on the phone that as far as he was concerned, our security deposit was not only covered by the damages but covered several times over. He claimed that there was ~10K in damages _after_ the security deposit was deducted.

Now not all these damages are entirely legit. Some (repainting, changing lightbulbs, air filters etc) fall under routine upkeep/maintainence, and should not be our responsibility. Others were pre-existing damage done by xaston/sham/twelver and the original lease holders (for example, all the damage attributed to my dog was actually there when i arrived at the house, and was done by the two cats and puppy that xaston/twelver/sham kept as pets). PCallinallin and Hoop were there at the beginning of the lease, and can both confirm (if they ever want to start telling the truth) that this is the case.

When i took over the lease, the agreement was that I would buy out the security deposit that the original tenants had with the LL and that they would settle any damages with him before they left. Im not sure wether the LL had already been paid for these things, or if twelver forgot in all the chaos of moving (he was getting married and moving into a new place at the time)

However, a lot of the damage is legit. They smashed at least one TV that i know of (matt did -- a 42" flatscreen) and according to the LL there was another one destroyed when they left. They left a 40-yard-long dumpster worth of trash in the house, smashed up furniture in the halls and generally wrecked the place before the left.

And with the four of them unwilling to cooperate with me in any way to try to get the security deposit back, there really isnt much i can do to fight the non legit charges.

LOL all you like. Its your money i was trying to get from the landlord and i suppose its only healthy that you maintain a sense of humor about it. You clearly have an ongoing relationship with him (even to the point where hes letting you know that i am trying to get the SD back and you guys are loling about it together) -- i suggest you try to get it yourself if losing it is that big an issue for you.

Is it honestly your position that I should foot the bill for the damages you caused out of my own pocket?

why is no one else commenting/posting on this? just curious.....

The obvious reason... nothing has really changed the same people who got nothing now had nothing then -- they were just posting more then because its easy to spin nothing into a sensational accusation when there is no one to gainsay you. Its easy to post something like
its just not so easy to post it when youre confronted with evidence and have to back up the mindless invective or at least get called on the fact that you havent backed it up.


so yeah i promised the last post would be my last TLDR but ive got one more... ftr i wanted to post an accurate accounting of all the money that went i took in and paid out on the house for rent and security deposits.

At the end of the day, we paid about 23K (3 months @5850 + a 5850 security deposit). Of that 7500 came out of my pocket, or $2500 a month for every month i stayed there.

Had I told everyone who didnt get the rooms they bought to F off and not paid anyone back whatsoever, I would have been down about 1650 on the whole thing, or about 550 a month. Which seems, superficially at least, like a decent deal for 3 months rent. However, i was also the one paying all of the cable/internet bill, all of the water bill, all of the gas, and an inflated share of the electricity (since i covered all the shares for the unfilled rooms). Normally, my share of the utils was around 750. So if this was a scam, and even if i had walked off with all the money from June/jul from people that paid for rooms, i would have ultimately ended up paying more per month than anyone else was. As things stand, I paid close to 10K for the three months that i lived in the house out of my own pocket. Thats around 3K/month, three times what the other roommates were paying

I am not trying to engender sympathy -- i am simply trying to point out that the idea that this was a scam and i somehow made a bunch of money from this is absurd. I didn't. Even if i had stolen everyones money for june and july (which was never my intention), i still stood to get an only-slightly-worse deal than anyone else would have renting a room.

anyway here's the accounting. two things to note....

1. I don't have access to either my PM's from 2p2 or the mail that was saved locally on my computer, so much of this is from memory. If something isnt accurate, its not because im insane or lying, its because I dont have any records.

2. It appears that I made a profit on June and July of 1150. This represents the money that we paid for the last week we were in the house. This was deducted from the security deposit, and that money was taken off the top of the loss that was split six ways between me, hoop, bgsa, laffer, jacob, and idy.



Security Deposits

-5850 (security deposit)
+850 (hoop) +1150 (jacob) +1200 (idy) +1000 (laffer)

net -1650

March:
-5850 (rent)
+850 (hoop)+1k (xaston)+1k (sham)

net - 3000 (-4650)

April
-5850 (rent)
+850(hoop)+1k(Xaston)+1k (Sham)

net -3000 (-7650)
May

-5850 rent
+850 (Hoop)+850 (ICIC)+1150 (jacob)+1000 (matt)+350 (IDY)

net -1650 (-9300)


June/jul
+350 (IDY)+1500 (DK)+1500 (GK1)+850 (hoop)+850 (rob)+1500 (BGSA)
-1500 (refund to DK)-1500 (refund to gk1)-1550 (refund to hoop)-850 (refund to rob)

net +1150 (-8150)

future
+1150 (craig)
-500 (refund to craig)

net +650 (-7500)

Also, just ftr i found these posts kind of funny. My handle "senjitsu" comes from the street fighter video games... its the fighting style of this guy
Probably the ugliest street fighter character and that was the reason i chose it.

So ya, i know i aint pretty. But im a lot smarter than you, and I can probably kick your ass (just like oro). So like the song says, two outta three aint bad.

Wouldn't be more productive to repay anybody that's owed? Then there would be no reason to keep any personal information posted and allow this thread to be closed.

I understand wanting to clear your name but ^^that doesn't seem like the best way to accomplish it.