**REOPENED** South Lake Tahoe Poker House
03-04-2011
, 04:45 PM
03-04-2011
, 05:07 PM
03-04-2011
, 05:11 PM
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This is fairly amusing. And if I couldn't prove he was lying, I would be pretty pissed.
First of all, he gave me $100 for a deposit which I allowed him to pay on full tilt. The above Screen Shot of my past transactions shows this.
You're right only $100 was for the initial deposit not $200 like I said earlier
I told him he could pay the $750 for the room when he arrived, which he did.
Initially I was looking for first + last + security deposit (equal to one month rent). But he told me from the beginning that he only wanted to stay for one month. So, I obviously wasn't going to charge him for all of that if he was only going to be here for four weeks.
So you're saying I only paid you $750? I remember paying exactly $1500 $1400 in cash and $100 on FT. You stated that the deposit was just so long as nothing was broken in the house and it would be returned to me
He told me he would be here on the first of February. (He was late. I never told him I was going to pro-rate anything as I was a little irritated with being jerked around)
I've never asked for anything to be pro-rated this is about getting my deposit back.
Before he arrived I let the landlord know that I would be filling the rooms and that I would be giving him the rent for all the new roommates.
Going into the month of February, I had many people claiming that they would like to move in. So, I assumed all rooms would be filled. At the last minute everyone else backed out, including several posters in this thread. One of which I left negative feedback for in the marketplace thread.
(this left me short + late for Feb rent)
So back to el-producto (Casey).
He paid me the $750, and at the time, I was even going to allow him to stay 2 weeks into March as long as the other rooms were filled, and no one else wanted to move into the master bedroom in March.
I spoke to my landlord before all of this, as I previously said. I told him that I needed to fill the other rooms because A) it was kind of a waste of money to pay for a 4BR house by myself and B) I recently had a large amount of money lost due to identity theft on one of my bank accounts. (I have screen shots of the fraud alerts from 3 different banks).
Sure show the proof
I paid for first + last + security deposit when I moved in. So, I asked the landlord if there was any way I could terminate my lease early if no one moved in. He said that would be alright, and that I should try to fill the rooms first though, in order to make it easier to pay the rent.
After everyone backed out, and Casey said he would be leaving in March, I told my landlord that I would be leaving. I believe his wife gave him a hard time about being so lenient on the lease, and when they came to show it, his wife was extremely obnoxious about it. Even though her husband and I always had a good relationship.
Because I had already paid for my last month rent, it was agreed that I would be moving out by April 1st.
When everyone backed out before February, I was only able to pay half of February's rent. (I had been trying to fill the rooms since Christmas time, because I knew I wouldn't be able to continue paying the full rent on my own, until my banking was straightened out.)
When Dfa2001 managed to get my BOA accounts locked up as well, I was put in an even more difficult position.
So, the landlord let me know at the last minute that he had a potential future tenant for April 1st, and wanted to show the rooms immediately. So, I woke Casey up and let him know. What was said by my landlord's wife, I don't know. She is kind of a bitch, and I am sure she had an attitude.
I talked with your landlord, mainly the husband, it was pretty clear to me that you were getting evicted. He had said that you were late a couple months on utilities and hadn't paid this months rent yet."evicted" was definitely the word being thrown around
So anyway, I let Casey know, and told him not to sweat it because it didn't really effect him in any way, since he was already planning on leaving in March anyway, and I had already paid for half of February, and all of March, and they were using a portion of my security deposit to pay for the second half of February.
So anyway, that was that.
So then Casey tells me he is leaving, and he wants all of his money back. I was like "Um..... OK". I didn't want to cause a ton of problems, even though I thought it was absurd. And I let him know that I would try to at least return his security deposit, since I could understand if the situation seemed a little odd and therefore made him uncomfortable. Despite it not effecting him in any way.
Once again I never asked for all of my money back. I did stay at the house for 2 weeks. So it would be ridiculous to ask for all of it back. What i'm asking for is the deposit of $750 back. Was anything broken in the house? Is there any reason you have to keep it?
But now that he is trying to pull this, I would like to make some other things clear.
First of all, he is a complete slob. I spent a large portion of each day picking up after him. While he was here, he did not wash a single dish, despite there being a dish washer right next to the sink. He wouldn't so much as rinse a dish off. He would just leave dishes all over the counters. Bags of trash by the door. Food wrappers and leftovers all over the place. It was absurd.
Second of all (and I believe this is the real reason why he left), he complained about the temp from Day 1. This is freaking South Lake Tahoe, in February. There's snow. It gets cold sometimes. I have no idea if he believed it would be the same temp as Vegas or what. Maybe he doesn't know about www.weather.com. I normally keep the temp in the house at 68-70 degrees. But that wasn't warm enough for him. This is a very large 4BR house, and he decided that he wanted the heat to be 75-80 at all times, and not only that.... but he would turn the thermostat up to 75-80 AND have the gas fireplace running at full blast. I asked him nicely not to leave the fireplace on all night (since no one was even in that room). But every night I would either come home or come downstairs at 4 am, and sure enough, heat is all the way up and fireplace is blazing.
Don't even think this is worth responding too, other than wow
Perhaps he doesn't know what gas prices are like these days?
This brings me to my final point.... utilities.
The Gas for the time he was here was almost TWICE as much as any month while I was here alone. My highest bill before he was here was ~$115. February was warmer (on avg) than January, and the bill was still $220.
On top of that, there is a $79 bill for water + sewer.
Refuse collection is $25/mo
Electric is ~$100/mo (again, higher when he was here since he also left every light on at all times, where as I am diligent about keeping all lights off).
Cable + Internet = ~$100/mo
Splitting the utilities would have resulted in a $250 bill for EACH of us.
But because I felt bad that he had to deal with my landlord's wife (for 2 minutes), I told him not to worry about the utilities if he wanted to leave early.
But now that he has pulled this ****, I am going to use his $100 (NOT $200 as he lied about above) towards the utilities bills that I received for the time he was here.
He didn't have to leave. He didn't have to show up late. He had a master bedroom with his own bathroom. I even supplied him with brand new pillows and towels.
So for $850 total, he got a sick place to stay for 1 month in South Lake Tahoe, with all utilities included. House and bedroom completely furnished. He even had a maid to take care of him for the month. (me)
Casey is 21 years old, and while I can't really blame him for being a slob at his age, I think he needs to work on some things personally and socially.
I have never once screwed anyone out of any money. Ever. In my life. There were some fairly prominent people in the poker community that came to me looking to rent a room. Had they followed through, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. But what do we think I was going to do, **** DeucesCracked instructors out of money and try to get away with it? I mean, everyone has my name, number, facebook, address, skype, AIM etc etc.
Yes there were some fairly prominent people that came to you looking for a room. None of these people can vouch for you.
You keep stating "everyone has my name and #" and have said the same to me in text message. How in any way does this help me get my money back when i'm 600 miles away?
This was no scam, and there was no need for any of this to happen. I bent over backwards to accommodate him and even his friends. He had some friends coming to town to go skiing and I told him that all four of them were welcome to stay for the weekend for only $50. And after they left, I told Casey that they were welcome to come back any time, free of charge. The only reason that I even asked for the $50 was to cover any damages or anything like that if things got out of hand while they were all partying. And I am certain they weren't going to get another place in SLT for 4 people for $50.
They stayed one night, and no im pretty sure the $50 was because you're broke
If anyone else would like any further information, I would be more than happy to supply it.
But warning people not to do business with me in the future is completely absurd. Casey needs to grow up.
Seriously 4g24bme has posted some outrageous things in here. Once again I warn people not to do business with this guy.
Cliffs:
el-producto moves in, gets a discount, decides it's too cold. Wants all of his money back, and posts retaliatory slander when he doesn't get his way immediately.
For the record, I don't really think Casey came here planning on running some scam. But I think he is severely over estimating what he is due in this situation. Just because he may regret coming here (whether that's warranted or not) doesn't mean that he gets to freeroll for a month in Tahoe.
Sorry this was so long. I just wanted to make everything perfectly clear.
This is fairly amusing. And if I couldn't prove he was lying, I would be pretty pissed.
First of all, he gave me $100 for a deposit which I allowed him to pay on full tilt. The above Screen Shot of my past transactions shows this.
You're right only $100 was for the initial deposit not $200 like I said earlier
I told him he could pay the $750 for the room when he arrived, which he did.
Initially I was looking for first + last + security deposit (equal to one month rent). But he told me from the beginning that he only wanted to stay for one month. So, I obviously wasn't going to charge him for all of that if he was only going to be here for four weeks.
So you're saying I only paid you $750? I remember paying exactly $1500 $1400 in cash and $100 on FT. You stated that the deposit was just so long as nothing was broken in the house and it would be returned to me
He told me he would be here on the first of February. (He was late. I never told him I was going to pro-rate anything as I was a little irritated with being jerked around)
I've never asked for anything to be pro-rated this is about getting my deposit back.
Before he arrived I let the landlord know that I would be filling the rooms and that I would be giving him the rent for all the new roommates.
Going into the month of February, I had many people claiming that they would like to move in. So, I assumed all rooms would be filled. At the last minute everyone else backed out, including several posters in this thread. One of which I left negative feedback for in the marketplace thread.
(this left me short + late for Feb rent)
So back to el-producto (Casey).
He paid me the $750, and at the time, I was even going to allow him to stay 2 weeks into March as long as the other rooms were filled, and no one else wanted to move into the master bedroom in March.
I spoke to my landlord before all of this, as I previously said. I told him that I needed to fill the other rooms because A) it was kind of a waste of money to pay for a 4BR house by myself and B) I recently had a large amount of money lost due to identity theft on one of my bank accounts. (I have screen shots of the fraud alerts from 3 different banks).
Sure show the proof
I paid for first + last + security deposit when I moved in. So, I asked the landlord if there was any way I could terminate my lease early if no one moved in. He said that would be alright, and that I should try to fill the rooms first though, in order to make it easier to pay the rent.
After everyone backed out, and Casey said he would be leaving in March, I told my landlord that I would be leaving. I believe his wife gave him a hard time about being so lenient on the lease, and when they came to show it, his wife was extremely obnoxious about it. Even though her husband and I always had a good relationship.
Because I had already paid for my last month rent, it was agreed that I would be moving out by April 1st.
When everyone backed out before February, I was only able to pay half of February's rent. (I had been trying to fill the rooms since Christmas time, because I knew I wouldn't be able to continue paying the full rent on my own, until my banking was straightened out.)
When Dfa2001 managed to get my BOA accounts locked up as well, I was put in an even more difficult position.
So, the landlord let me know at the last minute that he had a potential future tenant for April 1st, and wanted to show the rooms immediately. So, I woke Casey up and let him know. What was said by my landlord's wife, I don't know. She is kind of a bitch, and I am sure she had an attitude.
I talked with your landlord, mainly the husband, it was pretty clear to me that you were getting evicted. He had said that you were late a couple months on utilities and hadn't paid this months rent yet."evicted" was definitely the word being thrown around
So anyway, I let Casey know, and told him not to sweat it because it didn't really effect him in any way, since he was already planning on leaving in March anyway, and I had already paid for half of February, and all of March, and they were using a portion of my security deposit to pay for the second half of February.
So anyway, that was that.
So then Casey tells me he is leaving, and he wants all of his money back. I was like "Um..... OK". I didn't want to cause a ton of problems, even though I thought it was absurd. And I let him know that I would try to at least return his security deposit, since I could understand if the situation seemed a little odd and therefore made him uncomfortable. Despite it not effecting him in any way.
Once again I never asked for all of my money back. I did stay at the house for 2 weeks. So it would be ridiculous to ask for all of it back. What i'm asking for is the deposit of $750 back. Was anything broken in the house? Is there any reason you have to keep it?
But now that he is trying to pull this, I would like to make some other things clear.
First of all, he is a complete slob. I spent a large portion of each day picking up after him. While he was here, he did not wash a single dish, despite there being a dish washer right next to the sink. He wouldn't so much as rinse a dish off. He would just leave dishes all over the counters. Bags of trash by the door. Food wrappers and leftovers all over the place. It was absurd.
Second of all (and I believe this is the real reason why he left), he complained about the temp from Day 1. This is freaking South Lake Tahoe, in February. There's snow. It gets cold sometimes. I have no idea if he believed it would be the same temp as Vegas or what. Maybe he doesn't know about www.weather.com. I normally keep the temp in the house at 68-70 degrees. But that wasn't warm enough for him. This is a very large 4BR house, and he decided that he wanted the heat to be 75-80 at all times, and not only that.... but he would turn the thermostat up to 75-80 AND have the gas fireplace running at full blast. I asked him nicely not to leave the fireplace on all night (since no one was even in that room). But every night I would either come home or come downstairs at 4 am, and sure enough, heat is all the way up and fireplace is blazing.
Don't even think this is worth responding too, other than wow
Perhaps he doesn't know what gas prices are like these days?
This brings me to my final point.... utilities.
The Gas for the time he was here was almost TWICE as much as any month while I was here alone. My highest bill before he was here was ~$115. February was warmer (on avg) than January, and the bill was still $220.
On top of that, there is a $79 bill for water + sewer.
Refuse collection is $25/mo
Electric is ~$100/mo (again, higher when he was here since he also left every light on at all times, where as I am diligent about keeping all lights off).
Cable + Internet = ~$100/mo
Splitting the utilities would have resulted in a $250 bill for EACH of us.
But because I felt bad that he had to deal with my landlord's wife (for 2 minutes), I told him not to worry about the utilities if he wanted to leave early.
But now that he has pulled this ****, I am going to use his $100 (NOT $200 as he lied about above) towards the utilities bills that I received for the time he was here.
He didn't have to leave. He didn't have to show up late. He had a master bedroom with his own bathroom. I even supplied him with brand new pillows and towels.
So for $850 total, he got a sick place to stay for 1 month in South Lake Tahoe, with all utilities included. House and bedroom completely furnished. He even had a maid to take care of him for the month. (me)
Casey is 21 years old, and while I can't really blame him for being a slob at his age, I think he needs to work on some things personally and socially.
I have never once screwed anyone out of any money. Ever. In my life. There were some fairly prominent people in the poker community that came to me looking to rent a room. Had they followed through, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. But what do we think I was going to do, **** DeucesCracked instructors out of money and try to get away with it? I mean, everyone has my name, number, facebook, address, skype, AIM etc etc.
Yes there were some fairly prominent people that came to you looking for a room. None of these people can vouch for you.
You keep stating "everyone has my name and #" and have said the same to me in text message. How in any way does this help me get my money back when i'm 600 miles away?
This was no scam, and there was no need for any of this to happen. I bent over backwards to accommodate him and even his friends. He had some friends coming to town to go skiing and I told him that all four of them were welcome to stay for the weekend for only $50. And after they left, I told Casey that they were welcome to come back any time, free of charge. The only reason that I even asked for the $50 was to cover any damages or anything like that if things got out of hand while they were all partying. And I am certain they weren't going to get another place in SLT for 4 people for $50.
They stayed one night, and no im pretty sure the $50 was because you're broke
If anyone else would like any further information, I would be more than happy to supply it.
But warning people not to do business with me in the future is completely absurd. Casey needs to grow up.
Seriously 4g24bme has posted some outrageous things in here. Once again I warn people not to do business with this guy.
Cliffs:
el-producto moves in, gets a discount, decides it's too cold. Wants all of his money back, and posts retaliatory slander when he doesn't get his way immediately.
For the record, I don't really think Casey came here planning on running some scam. But I think he is severely over estimating what he is due in this situation. Just because he may regret coming here (whether that's warranted or not) doesn't mean that he gets to freeroll for a month in Tahoe.
Sorry this was so long. I just wanted to make everything perfectly clear.
03-04-2011
, 05:18 PM
03-04-2011
, 05:34 PM
03-04-2011
, 05:39 PM
So you still claiming my deposit was only $100?
03-04-2011
, 05:39 PM
03-04-2011
, 06:17 PM
03-04-2011
, 06:18 PM
lol, I bet you have been working on that since I first called you out.
Clown.
And how could I send "back" on FTP if you claim you paid me $200 (or is it $100 now?) on FTP and the rest in cash.
Clown.
And how could I send "back" on FTP if you claim you paid me $200 (or is it $100 now?) on FTP and the rest in cash.
03-04-2011
, 06:46 PM
03-04-2011
, 06:54 PM
03-04-2011
, 07:19 PM
03-04-2011
, 07:24 PM
My roommate took a picture of my phone, i snapped a picture of his picture of my phone...
Its pretty hard to see but I still think you can make out the slant of the 7 i.e. its not a 1 like the faked convo that Mike posted
Its pretty hard to see but I still think you can make out the slant of the 7 i.e. its not a 1 like the faked convo that Mike posted
03-04-2011
, 07:26 PM
Not saying its not real but that doesnt prove anything. You can easily change one of your friends names in your phone to the same as OP and then have the same convo between you and your friend as the one u had with OP.
03-04-2011
, 07:29 PM
03-04-2011
, 07:39 PM
Alright heres another one. Again its hard to make out but i think can see the date of the text message (Feb 20th the day before i moved out) and the $750 amount. I dont know if you can fake dates like that.
03-04-2011
, 07:49 PM
03-04-2011
, 07:59 PM
Last edited by el-producto; 03-04-2011 at 08:01 PM.
Reason: the problem im seeing with this is that mike has mult cell phones and wont give the number that he called me with
