Well anyway I've said my bit to this guy and I am confident anyone who understands the game properly will see who is talking sense here. Yeah Rohanm35 I'd be interested in having a chat, I can't message you for some reason maybe because I only created this account yesterday to reply to this thread as I felt inclined to do so after my friend showed me it and I cant seem to send private messages maybe because the accounts new? I'm not sure how to contact you but I did ask the friend (who has a twoplustwo account of longer standing) to send you a message with my email address and AIM handle. Let me know if you got it.

you sir have no clue at all how betting works and I doubt it you are a winner.

You're right moneynoob, I'm glad someone else can see the sheer idiocy of that statement because I was about to lose all faith in the intelligence of people who use these posting sites. Why it took a month for me to re-spark this thread and put this guy right is a mystery to me. Doesn't anyone on here know what the word value means? Or do you all just look for wins at any cost.

Seriously, if this thread's going to keep being bumped by you all trolling each other, I might as well just lock it.

really this is my last post sorry bob for this but i have to. First off you two obviously know each other how else would a post that has not been seen for 1 mnth all of a sudden get bumped one month later. Look first off as i said i am a big winner in horses and trust me it about patience and discipline. And i will explain again your theory is to bet a lot of races which is ******ed. I go to the track liking maybe two races at most and for a week at most 5 races in a week sometimes less like 1 or 2.

as for the other idiot who says i do not know how the betting works. i am explaining his ******ed theory. He says i go to the track liking a horse let's say horse number 1. The niught before you like him a lot/ he is 9/5 at post and oyu wanted 5/2 but your second choice in the race is going off at 8/1 and you made him 4/1 at home. thus you say even though i liek the favorite, I am not going to bet him eventhough i think he is going to win. you can not say he has a 27% chance based on the odds there is no turn adn river the horse is handicapped. You bet the second choice in your theory because value notbecause you think he is the best horse. This is not poker there is nothing at all similar with odds on the turn adn river. That is hysterical. The paper and charts and looking at races is what you need to study people. once again my man lets pick some horses and pick some winners wouldn't that prove it. poker and horse racing have nothing in common when it comes into betting. your percentages are so stupid. who cares who is the fastest horse in the race on paper the other horse who can possibly win if the fastest horse doesn't fire and he is 5-1 and the fastest horse is 2-1. That is your logic and if the odds are reversed you are betting the other way. LOL!!! YOU ARE FUNNY. there is no turn or river or anything like that for the 5th time. there is truly only your percentage and thought process.

As i said before these two guys are obviously friends. i mean make some sense out of this man. notrecyborg logs onto a new account on twoplustwo.com which is a poker site. His first post and only posts are on marketing selling part of it and he finds a post that is over a month old. Then bumps it up because his degen. friend needs money.
Let me make myself clear here NOTRECYBORG logs on to a poker site as a new client and goes straight to the search and finds this one listing about horses (on a poker site as a new poster on the site) in a market whoch sells things and says that Rohman is right out of the blue. Do you two actually believe that we are all idiots?

And again I am a big winner on the horses. I have helped Eric Donovan make moning lines for the program. I get free PPs. I am a known person on the NYRA circuit. Value betting into maiden races which you know nothing about. 6 first time starters he is making value bets. LOL!!! Listen people you want to learn the game read some books and buy the ragozin sheets. Len ragozin is the guys name. Besides that all you are going to get from this guy is playing 10 races a day and i guarantee you that you will lose money. i guess i was wrong horse racing and poker are a like in one way they take discipline and hard work and it is not about pot odds or value in horse racing. If a horse is 1/5 and you like him you don't bet. if a horse is to short then you dont bet you dont got ot another horse for value. YOu stick with who you like and trust me if oyu are betting more then 2 races a day you are a losing player in the long run. These two knuckleheads are friends trying to make a move on you with 2/7 off suit.

LOL!!! first and only posts on a pokr site is on a message tht is a month old about a topic no one cared about. damn rohman how much money are you out? A tough month should of bet the ransom in the LA derby 6/5 great price but where is the value? in my hand!!!! And i do not say a word at the track about my opinion on a race unless i am getting something for it so trust me i am not the guy behind you unless the race is going off and they are turning for home then i am yelling.

seperate continents they are friends whoopied doo. thanks rohman looking for someone to chat with luckily my friend showed me this great idea on how to make money in horse racing in a marketing area of a poker site now i can make millions. You two fools. seperate continents who cares they are friends. this should be locked.

No one said anything about pot odds or poker and horse racing being the same, I used an analogy to show the importance of value when taking into account chance in any event. This could be the community cards in a game of poker or it could be the many factors and variables which cause a race to unfold the way it does. You're basically implying because there is no turn or river or a direct opponent to weigh up that the race outcome can be completely predicted.

Your view of horse racing is a very old school one, from what I can gather, you believe in waiting for a horse you are sure will win and then betting it providing the odds are big enough. That’s fair enough and I'm sure that some old school punters can still make money that way, but you simply MUST be getting value to make money over the long term, if you're not getting value how can you make a long term profit?

Remember no matter how many horses you think are going to win and how 'selective' you are, only a percentage of them will... if you don't get higher odds than the true odds of the event occurring you have negative expectation. That is basic mathematics... so whatever horse you 'think' will win, that is at best only the likeliest scenario. Why would you take 9/5 about a horse you priced up at 5/2 just because you think it will win? You are missing the point entirely of successful betting, how can you possibly make money with that logic? It’s simply not possible.
Just because a horse is your 'second pick' that doesn't mean that horse won't win... horses don't always run to form, there are so many factors that dictate how a race pans out, handicap or not! These are not puzzles that have one solution, a horse race as with any non-predetermined event can theoretically have any possible outcome, and the key is probability. Anyone who understands probability properly will know exactly what my point is here, your view on this is very simplistic and amateurish, and that’s just a fact.

I assume if you began this same topic in a different forum you'd get far more people backing up what I'm saying, I can only assume this 'market place' forum is hard to find as you seem to think I have some connection with anyone who speaks against your prehistoric views on successful betting theory. Anyway I feel this is flogging a dead horse (forgive the pun) as you will not accept your approach to betting is flawed. Put simply, I don't see how anyone with your betting mentality can possibly end up with a positive result over the long term. I am pretty sure that you actually lose more than you win, although maybe you're not aware of this. A lot of gamblers shrug off their losses and don't pay sufficient attention to keeping detailed records of their business as I do.

As for me knowing people on this forum, you are welcome to your own assumptions, but the key point here is that if you go to any professional gambler (and I mean any professional player that can back up his claims of being a professional) they will reiterate to you the importance of value, not of 'finding winners', or deciding who you think is the best horse in a race, but of attributing each runner a percentage chance of success (no matter how remote) and pricing those animals up accordingly, then choosing the horse with the biggest differential in your projected prices and the live prices. The likeliest winner is completely irrelevant using this approach; you're playing a numbers game. This is because many times the 'likeliest winner' is also the poorest value. This is why the general public loses money betting and the bookmakers stay in business! They are not concerned for making a long term profit but for short term success. I fear though this is all a bit beyond you because you seem pretty stuck in your ways and sure about your opinions.

I am however confident in the long term if you don't end up quitting, eventually you'll realize that your perceptions need to change if you are ever to become truly profitable. I don't know who any of the people you claim to know are, and can't find any information about them, but I will be amazed if they are successful at what they do if they follow the same methodology you do. At the end of the day anyone can spout out names.

I do hope this thread is locked because I don't think there’s anything more to be said, there isn't really any argument here, everything I've said is simply factual and has a solid basis in mathematics. Everything you've said is debatable at best. Just to quote one final statement: 'if you are betting more then 2 races a day you are a losing player in the long run'.

I'll leave that one to the reader to decide if it’s a logical/sensible statement or not.

I sincerely wish you all the best with your future betting endeavors.

I have no further comments.

Honest to ****ing god, what is wrong with you people?

No one wants to read your wall-of-text debate about horse betting anymore.

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And so if this continues, you'll be enjoying your shiny new infractions. The only time this thread should be bumped now is if someone has legitimate questions or offers for OP. Anything else will probably be infracted.

Bobo Fat, you don't have to read anything you don't want to. The purpose of threads and topics is for people to discuss something untill it reaches a natural conclusion, not untill you say that no one wants to read it... are you god? I'm sure the people who use this site are old enough and mature enough to ignore topics they're not interested in. So why even comment? Why read it? Take your closed minded tyranical ego elsewhere.

I'm really happy for you, and imma let you finish, but Bobo is one the best orange mods of all time

of all time!

You're new here, so I'll cut you some slack.

First of all, the purpose of these forums is not just to let threads run their natural course at all times. Threads are closed and posts are deleted all the time for all sorts of reasons - off-topic, trolling, spam, scams, what have you.

But that's not even what we're getting into here. In case you didn't notice, this is the Marketplace. Not a forum to discuss horse betting. You might want to try Sports Betting if that's what you're after. People post threads and read the Marketplace in order to buy and sell items, not to listen to 3 or 4 people bicker about how they know horse racing and the other guy doesn't, etc, etc. This thread keeps getting bumped every day by you guys, bumping other threads off the front page with people actually trying to buy or sell things.

So enough of this, please. If you want to debate horse racing, do it in the right forum. If you want to debate my "closed minded tyranical ego" with me (LOL at that, many a mod wouldn't have the patience I've had with this thread), then do so via PM. If that doesn't resolve the issue for you, take it to About the Forums.

I'm considering the matter closed for debate in this particular thread, and hoping you will be kind enough to refrain from posting more debate in this thread.

OP -

how long would it take you to teach someone who had never bet horses at all into a winning handicapper? just curious

That is a really difficult question for me to answer, It really depends on the person and how much dedication and is level of understanding is.

rohan, do u make a living from horse betting?

No, I don't think I would ever want to do it as a profession. I know it will take too much out of me. I only dedicate my fridays and weekends to it. I do use it as a supplement to my income though.

Ok. After chatting with OP for a while on AIM I shipped him the $40 as pre-payment for two lessons. Dude seems legit. I am stoked about learning about horse racing from him.

We are scheduled for Wednesday and Thursday. I hope to write a positive review soon after.

rohamn- could YOU make a living betting horses full-time and approx. yearly? i am interested in learning about all types of professional gambling, maybe this.

Yes you can make a living from betting on horse-racing, remember that it is mutual betting just like poker. You capitalize from your opponents mistakes, in the betting pool. It really depends on your bankroll and the percent advantage you have on your opponents when it comes to your earning potential. If your making big bets into a pool at the track you do manipulate that pool directly, and it will affect your final odds. For this reason most big bets are placed at Sportsbooks or Racebooks, so the bettor himself does not affect the pool directly with his bets. Hope this helps.

cool, please give us a review after your sessions, im very interested aswell.

had my first session w OP. very informative and well done. looking forward to the next one imo