So Bobo just to make sure everyone understands, you're saying since I was successful in selling a bunch of rooms waaaaay below the prices the hotels charge and have never had 1 problem in any of those transactions I should pay to post in the commercial marketplace where no one will see it?

I should be punished by 2+2 and forced to pay to post in a commercial marketplace where no one will ever see my ad for being a standup guy and successful.

Meanwhile other posters can sell 10's of thousands of dollars of their action at a markup every week (and every now and then they rip off their fellow 2+2ers for thousands of dollars), sell cars for 20 thousand + dollars, book illegal action on professional sports games and sell watches for 5k and never pay a fee to 2+2, but since I "sold too many rooms" on here I should pay while no one else has to, yeah that seems fair, makes a lot of sense to me.

check out this website, pretty much the same thing

http://www.buymegamillionsonline.com/howItWorks.php

Bobo I did respond to you last time by PM and you never got back to me. I figured you didn't care to respond back to me, just wanted me to pay to post in the commercial marketplace and be done with it.

Getting back to this thread, how is this different then a person selling action in themselves?

OK, one thing I do apologize for is the long delay in posting about this. I'm actually on a short holiday with my wife and am not online much, but now that she's asleep I'll go a little more in-depth.

Here's what I posted about this in our mod forum thread after a fellow mod noticed the threads and asked about it:

Now, these particular lotteries may allow reselling or "pools", but that's not going to be the case with every lottery, and we're not going to be combing through the laws to find out. And even if it is allowed, I'd be very surprised if they'd allow it to be done with vig. Then you have the problem of whether it would be allowed to be sold to specific countries that posters might be from.

And it makes me cringe to think of the scams possible here. First off, and I'm not suggesting that this would happen with either thread here, but I have to think there's a decent possibility with enough of these threads that if a ticket came in with a $10-$100 million dollar winner, people would never see their money. This seems like a great way for scammers to freeroll the lottery, never mind the possibility of someone photoshopping bogus tickets and never buying any at all.

Basically, while I understand there are risks with both scams and legality with many things we allow here, they are much higher with this than most others. It sucks because I know this is just something fun people would like to do, but I think it's just too much of a risk for us to take.

i didnt read any of the discussion, buttttttttttttttttttttttttttt


how can this still be open

lol Bobo, Mason is going to overrule you so fast. as another poster showed, this service is already available ON THE INTERNET. get with the times and open a lottery forum, sucker.

I hear you on all your points Bobo but people sell WSOP ME action on 2+2 all the time, 1st place is usually over $8 million. It shouldn't matter if it's 8 mil or 300 mil. There is always a potential for someone to scam. I would like to believe that I have a really good rep on 2+2 and don't need to scam $100 dollars. I planned on posting the tickets ITT. Should I just email the scans to all the people that are in my pool? I would think it would be better for the 2+2 community to let me and CBall post the community tickets in our respective threads and then you mods and admins talk over what should be allowed and what shouldn't in the future.

Wow. I'm assuming this reply was written up before I edited mine, and I think you did even a better job of misconstruing our stance on this than you did the first time. It comes down to this - when someone crosses the threshold into what we consider a commercial venture is, unfortunately, always going to be a subjective opinion. I can guarantee we will never make everyone happy. And as you know perfectly well, you "selling a bunch of rooms waaaaay below the prices the hotels charge and have never had 1 problem in any of those transactions" has nothing to do with it, and you are not being punished for it. And no one will see the ads? Really?? FWIW, if this is such a concern, we could certainly look at allowing a thread in the General Marketplace as well that would link to a CM thread.

If this is the case, you have my sincere apologies. I really thought I had been waiting for a reply from you. My PMs from before October are archived and on my home computer, but I can certainly have a look when I get home in a few days if you're at all interested in discussing this further.

I can respond to this seriously if you like, but I assume you're joking. Please LMK if you'd like a serious reply.

The amount of money is only one of a number of concerns I have here.

And I should add that this decision has nothing to do with your reputation, which I can say nothing negative about. This is a policy for the forum as a whole, not just for certain posters.

At this point we'll likely leave this thread open so you can post them and it's possible we could do the same thing with CBall's.

Um yeah, you probably should.

just for clarity sake from both OPs (i have $20+vig action with both threads).

to 2+2/bobo: are you going to make a ruling on this early enough today for the OPs to buy the tickets if its allowed or ship money back today if it is barred? 1/2 my action in each thread is a "gambling gift" to 2 coworkers. Instead of buying them both a $10 gift I bought them each $10 worth of action with me in this. If the pool is disallowed I will simply buy $40 worth of tix here but we will all prefer to play these bigger pools. We also all have $5 in our work pool.

to OPs (king and cball):
a) if 2+2 makes a favorable ruling today will you be buying tix and posting ITT (or respective threads if they reopen cballs) with pictures of said tickets??

b) if 2+2 makes an unfavorable ruling will you both be sending refunds back today on stars

FWIW 3 years ago our work pool hit all 5 white balls in the powerball drawing for $200k (obv brag). We had to split it 49 ways ($2733 apiece after tax if i recall right) and it went swimmingly thanks to foresight. We have 2 forms one where you are checked off as having paid and one where you sign your name agreeing to the terms of the pool (simple). Our VP of finance went to columbia, sc with a list of names and social security numbers and had to handwrite all of said info (name and number) to the forms. All of the post tax money was put into an account at wachovia and then each of us was cut a cashiers check for 1/49 of that amount.

note: the nightmare scenario is actually hitting the 10kish prize (powerball, dunno what megamillions equivalent is). While this is great in king's thread where there arent that many to split (we'd all get at least 1k) it is an undue amount of trouble in the case where theres a lot of people (like cballs could have). In our case had we won the 10k prize the VP would still have had to go to columbia and handwrite all 49names/social ss#, set up a wachovia account just for the win, then have the bank cut 49 checks for about $115 each. Note that the VP was not in the lottery pool. We now have a clause for the 10k "booby" prize stating if we hit that prize we will distribute it by some %s to a few people in a drawing.


all the winnings go back into more tickets on next drawng (new agreement/list signed each time, and the list stays in an envelope with the rollover winnings buying tix fro that envelope til its gone..so say you werent in last drawing, and we won $23. you get in this drawing. the $23 from last time buys 23 tix at a separate time/store than the main pool and if one of those 23 hit you are SOL. This keeps late entries from freerolling early players)

If you guys (2+2 or OPs) need a blank of the form we use I can probably provide it

still open? wow. This is just not a good idea. With WSOP staking, there are a ton of 2+2ers there, everything is public, and anyone cashing would probably like to remain a member in goodstanding of the 'poker community' as there will be 2+2ers at just about every future event they might want to play.

Also think it's pretty sad forcing KingBBinLv to Commercial Marketplace for turning some comps to cash. It's not his primary business. He's not a commercial enterprise. It's actually a service many 2+2ers want and appreciate. Compared to the other crap 'pay me to do anything' or 'random crap garage sale' threads - they are some of the most useful in the forum for random 2+2ers imo.

+ 1 on allowing him to keep posting comped rooms in GM

just bought $20 for myself at 7-11, will probably buy another $60 tomorrow. Everyone should post their numbers 10 minutes before drawing, is that ok Bobo Fett? I see you're in CA too, are you playing as well?

I bought $20 in PA today, and im not telling anyone when I bink this

I still need to know if OPs are going to play or if i need to replace my gifts by buying $40 worth of tix IRL.

OPs? bobo?

I guess I was somehow not clear in my previous posts? No, we're not allowing this.

FYI, the jackpot has been increased to $330M. In any case, a few lives will be changed after tomorrow. Craziness will ensue if no one wins on Tuesday.

I WANT MY LOTTO TIX

sorry guys, just bought the winning ticket in SC

"CLEVELAND (AP) — A Cleveland woman has told police she picked the winning numbers for the $162 million Mega Millions lottery jackpot but lost the ticket before the drawing, according to a police report.
Elecia Battle told police she dropped her purse as she left the Quick Shop Food Mart in suburban South Euclid last week after buying the ticket. She said she realized after the drawing last Tuesday that the ticket was missing.
The Ohio Lottery said last week that the winning ticket was sold at the store, about 15 miles east of Cleveland.
“I feel like crap right now,” said Battle, who cried while speaking to The Associated Press at her home Monday night."

and serious question: what do people do if they want to drop $1k on the lotto? I cant imagine walking into a convenient store and handing over $1k, while the lotto machine prints out $10 tickets at a time. Not to mention it would really piss off the people behind you in line to wait that long. Do they just drive around all day and spread it out amongst the local stores?

most gas stations do lottery at a separate register and most in my area have 2 to 3 registers running anyways.

I think it's more a question about courtesy. If there is no one in line, I don't see why you can't buy to your heart's content. If there are people in line, you could buy maybe $100 at a time as it doesn't take much time to print off a $10 ticket. Then you can move to the back of the line and repeat.

In a similar story, back in the 1990's, a group of Australian businessmen grouped to buy all the combinations (7M) of a Virginia state lotto. They managed to buy only 5M of them BUT they won the $27 M jackpot. Since then, lotteries have prevented this type of systematic mass buying of tickets. In theory, if you bought all 175M combinations of the Mega Million, you will win the jackpot. However, it could be -EV if someone else wins.

Also, the jackpot is paid out as an annuity over many years, so it could be -EV even if you are the only winner.

you were not clear at all... you said maybe, yes, and no

ok... well if that is the case can you open my thread back up so I can communicate with the people that sent money and i can issue refunds? The way this has been handeled by 2+2 has been extremely unprofessional.

let me know if you want a refund, I dont know when or if 2+2 will come out and say something thats black and white.