For sale is one $1000 entry to the Fallsview Poker Classic on Wednesday Feb 8, 2012 12pm. This event is capped at 600 and is already sold out. Voucher is fully transferable. Players MUST have a Fallsview Players Card and must be 19+ to play. Although I prefer to deal locally, I am putting up one seat for anybody from out of town who already has plans to come in to play in the 2.5k and 5k main events.

I am willing to sell it for $1500 by Stars/Party transfer only or Certified Check. Sorry NO PAYPAL. This fee will include shipping with tracking and insurance to North America.


More information can be found here.

http://fallsviewcasinoresort.com/gam...r_classic.aspx

Get a ****ing job

I understand your frustration and have been posting updates in various Fallsview forums encouraging people who wanted to play to buy in at face value or below. The frenzy for seats has already begun as many realize the soft fields and 30% tax withholding they save from live tournaments in the States.

I'm getting ready to go to my 9-5 so send me a PM with your proposed "reasonable" deal

So you feel you are serving people by buying extra seats to fleece them on the side for profit? This would make this travesty of a tourney have even less value.

Your scum imo.

lol wtf, how is he scum, he bought a seat (probably to play) and saw he can get 100-200$ for it by selling it. 20% ROI without playing...

Anyway I'll put in a bid at 1100. I was planning on going and actually canceled my hotel cuz of the 1k. I want to play the other ones but don't wanna go for just one tourny. I certainly won't pay 1500 and nobody in their right mind would, it's a turbo tourny.

sorry but i agree as well. the scumbagery that one last year was a joke and looks like the same thing is going to happen again this year.

It's Fallsview's fault, not Bellagibros.

I was going to try and buy some seats up and sell them at face value or for some drinks/a dinner or whatever.
Really lame people are doing this

I agree with Sect7G and Inyaface.

Im guessing the laws are different in the USA than the UK for selling tickets/seats.

What you are doing is actually illegal in the UK you would be classed as a ticket tout
You are not allowed to sell a ticket for more than face value to any sporting event here.

Is Bellagibro a scumbag ? I dunno
Is what he is doing scummy ? i think so.

Please mark this down as sold. I'll dump it at the casino for what I can get there. No big deal to me.

It's the casino fault but they are learning. They allowed anybody last year with deep pockets to corner the market. This year they allowed 4 per PAC card. I'm no saint but I don't kill baby seals either.

I'm surprised that everyone else is surprised that this happened this year. The exact same thing happened last year. One individual bought over 50 tickets last year. Again, the hatred should go toward Fallsview and their stupid policy which will be taken advantage of. If 2p2ers aren't doing it, the Fallsview regs will certainly pick up the slack, believe me. I bought several extra seats myself. Why wouldn't I? If I didn't, someone else would get them and sell them off.

Just shocked that this is a big surprise to everyone after last year.

If exploiting an edge is wrong, I'm sorry. I'm also sorry for anybody I screwed over while tournament deal making for knowing ICM.

I also apologize for Fallsview being unable to fit in 1200 players as the demand is clearly there.

I talked to someone today (clearly not very smart) that paid $1800 for the $1K event on the day of the tournament....the demand is there.

And the Fallsview staff do nothing to stop the scalping all the regular dealers, sups and pits know it is happening.

The guy who bought 50 last year and sold them for $1400-$1600 each is not around this year so there will be less for sale and I bet someone pays $2K for a ticket this year.

I don't believe in profiting from FV poor managment so I made the choice to buy just 1 entry for myself just like I did last year...not judging the guys who bought more to profit just not gonna do it.

Fallsview messed up by allowing this to happen. You could make things right by buying up as many seats as possible or a few extra and selling them at face value or even 1100.

Even though Fallsview messed up don't blame your greed on them.

The guy who bought 50 tickets last year can *****. Bellagibro mentioned 4 seats per card, you pm'd me saying you have 8. Did you enlist a teammate to help with your scheme?

You're probably one of the first 2p2ers I met in real life. Ive known you for years, respect you and have spoken well of you to others. As someone who despises the scalpers at all of the live sports/concerts I attend, its hard for me to watch you join their scummy ranks.

2p2 is blessed with many smart people sharing their knowledge for everyone to read, discuss and benefit from. You are trying to rip off members from the same community that has helped you profit tens (hundreds?) of thousands. Truly unfortunate that you think a few hundred bucks is worth the blow to your reputation. Spend it wisely!!

Since you posted this same response in 2 threads on 2 sites, I'll do the same with my response.

You're incredibly out of line.

You clearly have a major first world problem with scalpers as you've gone on both this forum and the other one complaining incessantly about it in every thread someone makes who is selling tickets to this event. If you don't like it, CALL FALLSVIEW AND LET THEM KNOW. Your anger should be directed at them, not people who are selling tickets. They are the ones allowing it to happen, and whether I do it or not, it WILL happen.

Last year, I was on the tables there and watched people come around selling hordes of tickets for extra money (MUCH more extra than I am selling them for). I have every right to buy extra tickets because of Fallsview's stupid policy, and I have a right to sell them. If you don't like it, that's your prerogative, but my threads are frankly none of your business, and I don't appreciate your anti-scalping crusade in threads I have posted in whatsoever. I have a handful of tickets to sell. Big deal. Someone had over 50 last year. If I hadn't have bought them, some Fallsview reg surely would have and would be doing the same thing, but assuredly waiting longer and asking for much more than I have. Making this a personal matter is absolutely asinine. Perhaps you should have made sure you got a ticket like I did if you wanted one badly enough that it's worth throwing away a friendship over it. It wasn't a secret what was going to happen. It happened last year. It will probably happen next year. They've been on sale for ages. It was stated in the Fallsview thread on 2p2 that it was going to sell out soon. You post on 2p2 a lot and speak to many people who are connected to this information in the poker world and you surely knew around how long you had to get a seat and knew you didn't have long. It almost seems like you had this anti-scalping crusade planned anyways, so I guess you got what you wanted.

Supply and demand is, for better or for worse, what runs both micro and macro economies. Do you not shop at stores because they mark up prices and profit? I took a risk and bought up tickets with my own money. Did I think the tournament would sell out? You're damned right I did. But it was a risk nonetheless, and I'd have had to sell them at below $1000 if it didn't, or if they, say, upped the number of entries to 1K on a whim, or made 2 Day 1s, etc. You're not the only person I know that NOW just wants one of the tickets for $1K. Why would I take the risk that I took if I was just getting tickets for my lazy friends? Why didn't they ask me to get them a ticket BEFOREHAND, which could have been easily arranged. If you had messaged me at the end of December/start of January, asked me if I was going, and asked me to pick you up a ticket, I would have and you KNOW I would have. Because you KNOW that I'm a person that (used to) have no problems doing people favours, right?

From here on in, if you have a problem with my posts, talk to me like a grownup like I did when I PRIVATELY messaged you. You have my MSN.

I never PMd you Scotty and 3 of my 7 tickets are spoken for. I saved 2 for friends that I bought after sats for under face and gave them to them for face value.

I bought 4 at the cage and some more offering people money that wanted to sell in the poker room.

Being outraged at myself and Ryanghall is not really productive.

Fallsview shouldn't have been running satellites to the $1K (as they knew it would sellout) so this is clearly their fault.

I had two (and they are gone.) I wish I'd bought more (as they'd be gone as well.)

If making a 25-40% return on your investment in 30-60 days makes you a 'scumbag' then so be it.

Ryan,
I get that you are making a profit and if you hadn't someone else would. You did a really cool thing in the past for me that was unnecessary and I appreciated that a lot and don't think you are a bad guy or anything.

I think it does suck that the sense of community is really gone from 2p2. I'm sure years ago the going price on these would be much lower then market and as I mentioned before I had the plan of buying up some tickets and selling them to friends first and 2p2ers 2nd at face value plus some sort of future consideration (lol) or token thank you. Unfortunately I have only been in Ontario for 4 days since December 16th and never got around to it. I really don't think it is worth it to pay 1500 for one of the tickets and have no problem skipping the tournament.

Also if you question if I would have sold the tickets at face or not I have done this in the past many times with concert/sports tickets to friends or sometimes randoms and have occasionally even given tickets away when I could have got over face or something for the tickets.

In the long run I'd rather be a more thoughtful person and help people out then make an extra few K.

I agree Fallsview has to take part of the blame because of the way
they sell the tickets and organise the event.

But

Just because you can make money by selling the tickets at a higher
price doesn't make it right.
The excuse that " someone else would do if i didn't " is poor.

Tell that to the looters in London who were jailed and also
come out with " everyone else was doing it "

P.S.
I was lucky enough to get a ticket for The Stone Roses renuion
in Manchester this summer. My friend paid for one on e-bay
which was more than 300% face value of the ticket.

Ticket touts i hate them.

******SOLD*******

I haven't played Fallsview before and normally stick to the 30 or 40 tournaments the Borgata offers the week before. My question more so is at FallsView, why they allow anyone to buy more then one ticket in their name and make them transferable. I don't see how these guys are doing anything other then allowing for market conditions if the selling price matches other players wallets. As for paying $1500/$2000 for a $1000 event, I'd rather take that money and run down to the Borgata for the Guaranteed events. Good luck at Fallsview though.

Yes, I do have a MAJOR problem with scalping. Live music and sporting events are two of my passions. Scalpers breaking the law for profit directly inconvience me on a monthly basis, making it harder for me to get the tickets I desire, and occasionally more expensive.

I obviously have called and tweeted fallsview to let them know my opinion. Its one of the worst poker rooms I've ever set foot in, sadly I doubt their government empoloyees will give two ****s.
I doubt the next lawyer representing a murderer will use examples of famous serial killers as the crux of his defense, and you shouldnt either!

Since you told a story about last year, I will too. I went to the Olympics starting with the opening ceremonies on my birthday, where I hooked up a 2p2er/CR coach at face value. Didnt know him before that night, and would now consider him a friend.

Next, we had an extra ticket for Canada prelim hockey game, and literally went into the 'scalpers pit' to find a fan most deserving. Ended up saving this guy a ton of money, having a great time, and enjoying a couple rounds of beers on him.



I had 4 very good lower bowl tickets for the GOLD MEDAL GAME, probably the highest demand sporting event our country will ever see. No idea what I COULD have sold them for, since I didnt see any tickets as good as mine available anywhere. It was certainly over 10K, I could have paid my rent for a year but I took two of my closest friends (both 2p2ers) and my younger brother. No chance I would trade 10K for this moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yCkmSEFtnA

Hooked up another group of 2p2ers with curling tickets, and 2p2er friend from Toronto with a Team Canada prelim ticket. All of these guys are successful players able to afford 'market value,' but paid face.

There are dozens more examples from Concerts and Leafs/Raps games (I used to split seasons with another 2p2er and I can count 5 pokerplayers off the top of my head that bought face tickets off us.) I will admit that I am occasionally selfish and search peoples names on FB to choose the hottest girl to take to a concert. No ones perfect.

I didnt want to throw a friendship away over this! When you pm'd me, it was a huge relief. I was planning to give you a small % of my winnings as a freeroll for helping me out. An offer I thought was more than generous, considering my edge over the field. I was probably too focused on the fact that I would have happily helped out any friends of mine in need. I felt your asking price of $1k cash + 15% of my action went for the jugular and I was insulted / infuriated , this caused me to overreact and I apologize for that.

I spent close to the max on my credit card on gifts/hotels/booze/food over the holidays. On Mon Jan 2 I paid the bill when banks opened, waited until the payment cleared, and called Fallsview on Friday, January 6th. Over a MONTH in advance!!! Im not a 'live poker' reg, fallsview is over an hour from my house and I dont monitor that thread , so I had no idea when they went onsale.

I understand that the REAL problem lies with fallsview for allowing this to happen, and apologize you have faced the lions share of my wrath.

I went to Queens for Econ, I understand supply/demand and scalping markets better than most, but see no need to start (continue?) discussing that here.


Obviously this thread has snowballed, and its because of Fallsviews stupid policy.

My embarrassing monkeytilt stemmed from a deep hatred for scalpers. It frustrated me to 2p2ers flipping tickets for profits off other 2p2ers since I have always held this community in high regard. It reached a boiling point with my crucial misunderstanding that Ryan was 'reraising me' in an attempt to get the highest price. I lost my self control when this happened, and choosing to post vs working it out in PM was a judgement lapse on my part.

In my years of experience chatting and hanging out with Ryan, he's been a great and generous guy. We've agreed to disagree on this issue

Really good post Scotty.

I really think you're being wayy too harsh on the guy... I saw this exact opportunity but chose not to jump on it for many reasons, embarassment for one, and the hassle of having to sell it.

Do I think trying to sell these tickets at 30% markup is unreasonable? absolutely. Anyone who buys these tickets at a 50% markup, or 30% markup ... god be with you.. lol.

But nobody here is doing anything blatantly wrong here. Everything is out in the open and people purchasing these tickets know exactly what they're buying and what they're paying for.

I dont find what OP and ryanghall are doing to be particularly ethical, but i dont have a problem with it. Not that there is much risk involved, but if they each bought 10 tickets and couldnt end up selling them they'd be caught holding the bag.

i guess my point is, its their money, they paid for the tickets they can do what they want for them. Scotty, I dont think you should enforce your standards upon others in order to villify their behaviour.

just my 2 cents even though i can understand how u feel