01-31-2018
, 12:33 AM
01-31-2018
, 02:38 AM
01-31-2018
, 03:52 AM
01-31-2018
, 06:29 AM
01-31-2018
, 09:53 AM
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h1-i like the donk but why not larger vs fish? i understand a small sizing 2 ways but i think this dynamic is much different? villain has way better hands on river to call with than this combo no? like boats, all suited straights (if he opens 54s), 99-1010, overs that unblock diamonds/hearts, 78. can't really see how his call can be good
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Making the top 10 list makes losing this hand not hurt as bad. I think it's an easy fold against a lot of the weak regs at 200z, but it's probably close to indifferent against Clanty.
I think his turn sizing is good. He maybe could go smaller, but idk if that's better. In general, we tend to see smaller sizings in mw spots as protection because more important and using large sizings against two (relatively) uncapped ranges usually forces one to bet too narrow of a range. This particular card is gonna be really nice for BB, and he can probably donk as thin as pair + sd. Using a large size will force him to be too polar and check too frequently. Given that I'm gonna check back so much of my range on this turn, this doesn't bode well for him.
I can't slowplay turn that often. I do use an rng for basically every decision, but the frequency of better combos in my range is really low. I also probably shouldn't call every time. However, Clanty has sooooo many nice bluff candidates. Meh.
I think his turn sizing is good. He maybe could go smaller, but idk if that's better. In general, we tend to see smaller sizings in mw spots as protection because more important and using large sizings against two (relatively) uncapped ranges usually forces one to bet too narrow of a range. This particular card is gonna be really nice for BB, and he can probably donk as thin as pair + sd. Using a large size will force him to be too polar and check too frequently. Given that I'm gonna check back so much of my range on this turn, this doesn't bode well for him.
I can't slowplay turn that often. I do use an rng for basically every decision, but the frequency of better combos in my range is really low. I also probably shouldn't call every time. However, Clanty has sooooo many nice bluff candidates. Meh.
whether or not you should call every time is, for all intensive purposes, an impossible question to answer; MW river spots that featured a lead at one or more points in the hand is a guessing game, even to the best of us!
as for unblocking bluffs, utg hasn't a single combo that does that completely, and the best comboes (that block the least bluffs) are overpairs, specifically QQ+.
always the most fun imo!
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Yeah, fair enough.
My wording was unclear. My RNG comment was referring to the turn, but yes it's applicable to river too.
My diamond blocker is relatively insignificant here as I don't think he can peel K BDFD otf. 99/TT might be better, but I'm not convinced that he's never betting T8/98/T7 type hands ott.
I'm not sure how you expect to have many stronger combos in terms of absolute hand strength. Yes, they'll occasionally get slowplayed, but they (set +) just have to raise turn a lot imo vs this size. I also think I need two river sizings. The nutty combos will only sometimes fall into the smaller bet.
IDK. I could also get behind just folding every time, but I think Clanty (correctly) identifies this as a pretty spicy bluff spot :P. My call would be a complete punt against many people. In hindsight, I kinda am just leaning towards fold -- but I would be shocked if it's losing much vs hero.
My wording was unclear. My RNG comment was referring to the turn, but yes it's applicable to river too.
My diamond blocker is relatively insignificant here as I don't think he can peel K BDFD otf. 99/TT might be better, but I'm not convinced that he's never betting T8/98/T7 type hands ott.
I'm not sure how you expect to have many stronger combos in terms of absolute hand strength. Yes, they'll occasionally get slowplayed, but they (set +) just have to raise turn a lot imo vs this size. I also think I need two river sizings. The nutty combos will only sometimes fall into the smaller bet.
IDK. I could also get behind just folding every time, but I think Clanty (correctly) identifies this as a pretty spicy bluff spot :P. My call would be a complete punt against many people. In hindsight, I kinda am just leaning towards fold -- but I would be shocked if it's losing much vs hero.
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wouldn't clanty have to be overbluffing by quite a bit to make this call +EV? I could be off here but it feels like when he leads turn with a fish in the hand he probably has less bluff than if he would do the same against regs
Also if you play your range in such a way that KK is very near the top of ur range then we should definitely pick blockers to call this massive overbet. You could raise KK some of the time too on turn so that on the river when you end up in this particular spot you don't feel like you're overfolding these type of holdings
Also if you play your range in such a way that KK is very near the top of ur range then we should definitely pick blockers to call this massive overbet. You could raise KK some of the time too on turn so that on the river when you end up in this particular spot you don't feel like you're overfolding these type of holdings
nooo!
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Idk if he is overbluffing, but it is a spot where he has a plethora of bluff candidates (pair + straight blocker; counterfeited 2p). Turn raise is a fun idea. I'm more inclined to do that with TT/99 because they need slightly more protection and they also push more equity.
Yeah.. oops. I usually shy away from it, but this was a fun hand for which I may or may not deserve to get roasted. Sorry for the hijacking, Clanty.
Yeah.. oops. I usually shy away from it, but this was a fun hand for which I may or may not deserve to get roasted
. Sorry for the hijacking, Clanty.
woo! cheers, welcome
gotta give those mtt guys some help
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do you know how hard it is to overbluff this river?
Clanty has a ton of valuebets there and he will always x/jam those. Even massive aggrotards won't bluff the river 40% of the time, calling with KKdx is terrible imo. With your explo sizing it's even worse, since it's possible clanty will explo valuebet as thin as 2x
Clanty has a ton of valuebets there and he will always x/jam those. Even massive aggrotards won't bluff the river 40% of the time, calling with KKdx is terrible imo. With your explo sizing it's even worse, since it's possible clanty will explo valuebet as thin as 2x
seriously, though, you don't know me or my strat, and you don't know 40% from 20%, 30% or 50%, so how can you call his play terrible?
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You need to use the word explo Rapidesh, no offense but it's pretty clear you've never ran a sim, you probably don't have PIO so you don't know which lines, sizings and frequencies are exploitative, just because a bet is small doesn't mean it can be exploited, same with an overbet
lol
correct
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this discussion about that KK T9 hand is completely useless.
Lol
@people actually trying to discuss gto when multiway with a fish in the pot
@you guys believing theoretical gto player IP has many nutcombos/stronger hands otr
@people misunderstanding blocker effects wrt to Kd, TT, 99
Lol
@people actually trying to discuss gto when multiway with a fish in the pot
@you guys believing theoretical gto player IP has many nutcombos/stronger hands otr
@people misunderstanding blocker effects wrt to Kd, TT, 99
fwiw, my strat postflop doesn't change one bit with the fish in the pot, just not worth the ev with all the confusion it brings imo
definitely agree with the misconceptions ref TT 99 blockers
TT 99 blocks lots and lots of pair+draw hands that are incentivised to xjam river
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It's very possible (if not likely) that he's betting Tx/9x pairs ott. On the river his nutty combos (T9 is what's relevant here) will split between bet and xr. His Tx/9x pair combos, however, will always x and always have a tempting xr vs my bet. Depending on his exact strategy, TT/99 can easily have poor blocking effects. Also, not every player has T9o pre in this spot.
I agree with all three things CRAI lold at even though I'm not sure if he's making fun of me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .
Rapid, I think we approach poker a little differently. I do appreciate your's, Xeno's, and Saulo's feedback though. I'm gonna fight the temptation to hog OP's thread any longer by continuing to comment on this hand, but I look forward to his thoughts.
I agree with all three things CRAI lold at even though I'm not sure if he's making fun of me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .
Rapid, I think we approach poker a little differently. I do appreciate your's, Xeno's, and Saulo's feedback though. I'm gonna fight the temptation to hog OP's thread any longer by continuing to comment on this hand, but I look forward to his thoughts.
I don't think crai was berating you btw!
you aren't hogging my thread at all, these replies are very much welcomed
cheers, hope you enjoy it!
noooo
, only positive things in this thread!
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i guess it can be difficult to know clanty's frequencies wrt 910 and other bluffs with hands containing a 9 or a 10 in this spot so 99 or 1010 not being a good bluffcatcher does make sense. it's actually a really interesting hand now tbh
is there any merit to calling a hand like 87 or 86 here over KK or do you also expect some bluffs to contain an 8/7/6 in them. In spots like this how is it even possible to determine what hands are good to call when trying to guess how frequently the hands you block might bluff? like how do u balance the positives of blocking nuts to the negatives of blocking bluffs
is there any merit to calling a hand like 87 or 86 here over KK or do you also expect some bluffs to contain an 8/7/6 in them. In spots like this how is it even possible to determine what hands are good to call when trying to guess how frequently the hands you block might bluff? like how do u balance the positives of blocking nuts to the negatives of blocking bluffs
all you can do (imo) is the short math in the time of the hands constraints and then work it out after. this becomes exponentially harder in spots especially like this, where one or more ranges have many, many offsuit comboes, which just makes the combo-work that much harder to figure out on the fly!
doubt anyone was offended mate... people can disagree, it's all good.
imo, it's in your best interests to also be aware of other potential strategies. for example, if shiffty showed 54s, everything you said gets thrown out the window. also, you put me into a category that you've intuitively built without ever playing against me, do you not see the contradiction in that?
lol, for real, or just trolling? either way he's really annoying to play against, so props to him!
01-31-2018
, 12:49 PM
wooooh, now just spare me some of that run good and we're in business
welcome, sir!
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Month's soon coming to a close and I'm going to take the night off to do some studying and get round to watching a few things I've put off. Super happy with my progress this month, even if my mindset is kinda all over the place atm; one day I'm confident, next I'm second guessing myself, and so on. Regardless, I know that I'm playing a much better game today than what I was at the beginning of 2018, and for that, I'm very grateful.
I feel that it'll soon be time to start getting in some proper volume on the tables by letting the studying rest on the back-burner for a bit. Not yet, as I know things still need to be done on the studying front, but I figure that it'll start happening by March-April time.
Feb goals:
35k hands
100 hrs of study
January:
Gooooood luck!
welcome, sir!
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Month's soon coming to a close and I'm going to take the night off to do some studying and get round to watching a few things I've put off. Super happy with my progress this month, even if my mindset is kinda all over the place atm; one day I'm confident, next I'm second guessing myself, and so on. Regardless, I know that I'm playing a much better game today than what I was at the beginning of 2018, and for that, I'm very grateful.
I feel that it'll soon be time to start getting in some proper volume on the tables by letting the studying rest on the back-burner for a bit. Not yet, as I know things still need to be done on the studying front, but I figure that it'll start happening by March-April time.
Feb goals:
35k hands
100 hrs of study
January:
Gooooood luck!
01-31-2018
, 05:25 PM
GEGE boss. Is dat 200nl only ?
GL feb we can start a volume prop if u like
GL feb we can start a volume prop if u like
01-31-2018
, 10:55 PM
Even mtters know cash strat>mtt strat man
01-31-2018
, 11:08 PM
Cant imagine how you think Zas is a bot, that guy is literally clicking random buttons 1/2 the time 
02-01-2018
, 01:44 AM
02-01-2018
, 02:14 PM
@grammen listen buddy I'm not just gonna let you own me for free $!!
@RV np! Any chance you can pm me your SN?
Ref zas91
I would be surprised if he was proven to be a bot as it seems like he plays exploitatively in some situations, but could be wrong
@elsa do you mean f3b? Cus yeh, the guy just doesn't fold to 3b's on my sample either, I gave up awhile ago lol
@RV np! Any chance you can pm me your SN?
Ref zas91
I would be surprised if he was proven to be a bot as it seems like he plays exploitatively in some situations, but could be wrong
@elsa do you mean f3b? Cus yeh, the guy just doesn't fold to 3b's on my sample either, I gave up awhile ago lol
02-01-2018
, 02:41 PM
Anyways glgl this month
02-02-2018
, 12:50 AM