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10-09-2017 , 03:43 PM
Just jumped in and read the last 3 pages of this thread in a oner, super enjoyable read. Really pretty impressive results too, get a third table on the go at least though!
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10-09-2017 , 06:21 PM
Just to play devils advocate on this one. If you grind less and focus on other stuff there will be the added benefit of more money for the guys grinding it out. Just something to think about
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10-10-2017 , 05:01 AM
definatly one of the most interesting styles in the pool, gl
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10-10-2017 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MartimC
sit and play
thx bro, I think I can see the light now

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Originally Posted by SalmoTrutta
I did that for many years. It gave me very pretty graphs, 8bb winrate and no money. Don't be me. Get help (!!!). You'll prob end up mostly studying and coaching and getting in 15k hands/month and be that guy who beats 500z but has nothing to show for it unless you grab this one by the horns asap. More important now than ever given that we don't know how the games will be three years from now.

My 2c.
You nailed it. I've got a huge mental block and I need to work on it. Really not sure how to approach it, but I really appreciate this comment. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
Yeah I agree on the volume side of things. It already seems like you are way on top of studying, but try and think about how to optimise study habits to maximise the EV of time you spend. I would guess rn you use too many sizing options in sims (from your comments on RAM requirements), so asses the EV of dropping some of them for eg.

If you are even 5bb at 200z, and fair chance you are more imo, your hourly is $70. That's a lot to sacrifice. Obviously not saying don't study. But I consider myself part-time playing and I still get 50k hands every month with zoom!
Don't get me wrong, I probably study more than most, but I am still no where near on top of studying, which is part of the problem.

You are right, I am sacrificing a lot with my studying, and it's something that will need to change if I want to get to HSNL, as even if I am ever able to be +EV there, I won't have to funds to prove it.

50k hands/month would be great, although you do 4 table, so we probably do a similarish amount of ontable hours a month.

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Originally Posted by iHaveTrips
Man speaks truth. But please don't grind more as pools become tougher ZOOOOOM v2


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lol, touché bro

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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
I think(correct me if I'm wrong) that you don't have a ton of love for the game, from what I saw, you're too perfectionist and try to make an amazing graph with a huge winrate. It was the right approach when you were in the micros, since rake was huge, you taught me that, that's the best thing you can do to climb up: to learn.

But right now, how pretty your graph is doesn't matter, if you can pull a 2.5bb/100 graph for twice as hands, you're making more than pulling a 5bb/100 graph. I think you're trying to force yourself to play volume, rather than playing because you like to do it. My advice isn't objective like the other ones here, but maybe it's the most important thing: to love the game. When you start doing so, you won't have to put any volume goals, you'll be playing a ton because you are enjoying a lot to do so.

I only have around 2h to play poker/day and I'm managing to pull 30k hands/month(maybe a little more than 2h because sometimes I pull some random sessions out of nowhere lol). The thing is that I have that feeling in my belly that makes me play more, like having butterflies in there, maybe you're missing that part of poker.

Maybe you should watch some poker movies, like rounders, stu ungar's story, maybe some old poker documentaries from the times people used to print millions by playing as 9/5 nits lol.

GL, man!!
Hmm... I feel like you got the wrong end of the stick here and/or I do not agree with your comments. I do absolutely love the game of Poker, and if I didn't, I wouldn't have this blog, or even bother to play it professionally.

There's more to Poker than just playing. The point I was trying to make was that I struggle to get in volume on the tables because of my own nuances, not because I lack passion for the game.

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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
Or read Latherbutt9's book for inspiration
Is that a needle? I don't get it if so, besides, I've never any Poker books before.

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Originally Posted by Kangal_
Just jumped in and read the last 3 pages of this thread in a oner, super enjoyable read. Really pretty impressive results too, get a third table on the go at least though!
Hey, thanks a lot! Appreciate you being here, I was a fellow reader of your PGC, too .

Third table is something I am working on!

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Originally Posted by _jimbo_
Just to play devils advocate on this one. If you grind less and focus on other stuff there will be the added benefit of more money for the guys grinding it out. Just something to think about
Haha, that's a really interesting way to look at things. I like it!

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Originally Posted by day'n'night
definatly one of the most interesting styles in the pool, gl
Well there's no fun being normal . Can you PM me your SN?

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Thanks to everyone who replied, much appreciated!!

Monday ended up being really successful, I went over a bunch of hands and found a few things to work on, but the main thing I learned was that I hadn't played as badly as I thought I had. Still lots of crap in my game that needs to be fixed, but overall, I feel a lot more confident than what I did.

I've also decided that I will just be moving somewhere local to where I am right now. I currently live with my Nan, and have been doing so for the past year or two, and to cut a long story short, she isn't doing too well and needs help, even if she would never say that. Staying local means that I can still do her shopping/house work etc whilst having a place to myself, which I really look forward to. Will probably get a small studio or something of the sort.
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10-10-2017 , 04:08 PM
Watched some of your Twitch streams. They are great. Do you still coach and accept new students ? Could not find any information on your Twitch site.
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10-10-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kockar
Watched some of your Twitch streams. They are great. Do you still coach and accept new students ? Could not find any information on your Twitch site.
I do yeh, if you are interested then throw me a pm on here
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10-10-2017 , 08:27 PM
You still only 2 tabling? If so, how can you justify playing on 2 instead of 3 and increasing your volume by 50%? You can still think through spots equally as thoroughly?
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10-11-2017 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
You can still think through spots equally as thoroughly?
I wish that were the case.
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10-11-2017 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Clanty
I wish that were the case.
If people are able to do it fine on 4 tables, you should be at least able to do it fine on 3...
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10-11-2017 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
If people are able to do it fine on 4 tables, you should be at least able to do it fine on 3...
If Cristiano Ronaldo can score a goal a game, N'golo Kante should be able to too.
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10-11-2017 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
You still only 2 tabling? If so, how can you justify playing on 2 instead of 3 and increasing your volume by 50%? You can still think through spots equally as thoroughly?
Actually, increasing the table number from 2 to 3 won't increase the volume by 50%, usually this number is way lower. When you're playing on 2 tables, you're able to focus more on each table and it takes less time per table to make a decision, with your attention spread into 3 tables, you will take longer on each table to make a decision.

Just as an example, Back when I played 4 tables of NL2 zoom, with a 9/5 strat, I could play more than 2k hands/hour because decisions were super fast and easy to do(AKA fold everything and stack fish), Most people who play 4 tables can't pull much more than 1k hands/hour because their strat requires a lot of thinking, so it takes more per decision, so increasing the table number won't actually increase your volume in the same proportion.

Don't feel bad for 2-tabling, it's possible to keep a very good amount of volume while doing so. Just focus on those hours, OP.
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10-11-2017 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Actually, increasing the table number from 2 to 3 won't increase the volume by 50%, usually this number is way lower. When you're playing on 2 tables, you're able to focus more on each table and it takes less time per table to make a decision, with your attention spread into 3 tables, you will take longer on each table to make a decision.

Just as an example, Back when I played 4 tables of NL2 zoom, with a 9/5 strat, I could play more than 2k hands/hour because decisions were super fast and easy to do(AKA fold everything and stack fish), Most people who play 4 tables can't pull much more than 1k hands/hour because their strat requires a lot of thinking, so it takes more per decision, so increasing the table number won't actually increase your volume in the same proportion.

Don't feel bad for 2-tabling, it's possible to keep a very good amount of volume while doing so. Just focus on those hours, OP.
JFC that sounds like hell
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10-11-2017 , 04:18 PM
These 2017 kids don't even know they're born. Back in my day it was standard procedure to 28 table.
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10-11-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat
These 2017 kids don't even know they're born. Back in my day it was standard procedure to 28 table.
And that was after a 12 hour shift up the chimneys

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10-12-2017 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by meale
If people are able to do it fine on 4 tables, you should be at least able to do it fine on 3...
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Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
If Cristiano Ronaldo can score a goal a game, N'golo Kante should be able to too.
Exactly, and if the Baron can beat 5k reg battles, Meale should at least be able to do it at 1k.

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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Actually, increasing the table number from 2 to 3 won't increase the volume by 50%, usually this number is way lower. When you're playing on 2 tables, you're able to focus more on each table and it takes less time per table to make a decision, with your attention spread into 3 tables, you will take longer on each table to make a decision.

Just as an example, Back when I played 4 tables of NL2 zoom, with a 9/5 strat, I could play more than 2k hands/hour because decisions were super fast and easy to do(AKA fold everything and stack fish), Most people who play 4 tables can't pull much more than 1k hands/hour because their strat requires a lot of thinking, so it takes more per decision, so increasing the table number won't actually increase your volume in the same proportion.

Don't feel bad for 2-tabling, it's possible to keep a very good amount of volume while doing so. Just focus on those hours, OP.
True!

Working on it

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Originally Posted by Kangal_
JFC that sounds like hell
ikr lol

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Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat
Back in my day it was standard procedure to 28 table.
fk up bena!

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srsly you gotta be a ***** wizard to 28 table, I could never do it


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Originally Posted by Husker
And that was after a 12 hour shift up the chimneys

lol

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Hey

So I've taken some of your guys advice and added another table to my grind. Naturally I decided on that being a ZOOM table, however that idea swiftly failed after not being able to keep up with action and just playing badly overall. I replaced it with a regular table and that's seemed to work really well since. Could be a small sample size, but the fish seem super crazy on the reg tables - had one guy with a 90 vpip, yes 90, over ~70 hands. Don't remember the last time I saw that in ZOOM tbh.

Not sure how the scripting works (200nl reg tables on PS), as sometimes I'm playing 3-4 handed with a guy I know is a fish, I was even playing HU vs a guy min3bing me, literally making it 3bb vs my 2bb RFI, lol.

I'll definitely continue with the extra table on the side, if anything it's made playing more enjoyable as there's more action going on, esp in shorthanded reg battles, which I've never done until now, but feel really comfortable in and enjoy a lot!

Nothing much else to say apart from that I'm sunrunning pretty hard, so no complaints there. Oh, the volume is also expectedly low, bla bla bla... excuse excuse excuse...

Some hands:

1. Serves him right for preflop!
    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37847790

    BTN: $200 (100 bb)
    SB: $303.28 (151.6 bb)
    BB: $200 (100 bb)
    UTG: $195.42 (97.7 bb)
    Hero (MP): $242.13 (121.1 bb)
    CO: $404.55 (202.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 6 6
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, BB calls $2

    Flop: ($9) 6 8 4 (2 players)
    BB bets $6, Hero raises to $21, BB calls $15

    Turn: ($51) 4 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $35.37, BB calls $35.37

    River: ($121.74) 9 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $181.76 and is all-in, BB calls $139.63 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $401 pot ($2.75 rake)
    Final Board: 6 8 4 4 9
    BB showed Q Q and lost (-$200 net)
    Hero showed 6 6 and won $398.25 ($198.25 net)



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    2. Decent result
      Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37847791

      BTN: $605.26 (302.6 bb)
      SB: $598.83 (299.4 bb)
      Hero (BB): $311.71 (155.9 bb)
      UTG: $301.52 (150.8 bb)
      MP: $581.26 (290.6 bb)
      CO: $250.79 (125.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
      UTG folds, MP raises to $5.46, 3 folds, Hero raises to $26.08, MP calls $20.62

      Flop: ($53.16) 5 J J (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP checks

      Turn: ($53.16) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $16.67, Hero calls $16.67

      River: ($86.50) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $144.12, Hero calls $144.12

      Spoiler:
      Results: $374.74 pot ($2.75 rake)
      Final Board: 5 J J Q Q
      Hero showed A A and won $371.99 ($185.12 net)
      MP showed 9 7 and lost (-$186.87 net)



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      3. ???
        Poker Stars, $1/$2, $0.40 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37847792

        BB: $122.33 (61.2 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $200 (100 bb)
        SB: $205.64 (102.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
        Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB calls $2

        Flop: ($10.20) 4 J A (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $2.42, BB raises to $8.84, Hero calls $6.42

        Turn: ($27.88) 3 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero checks

        River: ($27.88) Q (2 players)
        BB bets $14, Hero raises to $83.93, BB raises to $109.09, Hero calls $25.16

        Spoiler:
        Results: $246.06 pot ($1.25 rake)
        Final Board: 4 J A 3 Q
        BB showed A 7 and lost (-$122.33 net)
        Hero showed Q Q and won $244.81 ($122.48 net)



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        4. Woop woop
          Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37847793

          BTN: $223.83 (111.9 bb)
          SB: $148.35 (74.2 bb)
          Hero (BB): $328.46 (164.2 bb)
          UTG: $200 (100 bb)
          MP: $573.24 (286.6 bb)
          CO: $217 (108.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
          UTG raises to $4.30, 4 folds, Hero raises to $20.90, UTG calls $16.60

          Flop: ($42.80) 9 A A (2 players)
          Hero bets $8.16, UTG calls $8.16

          Turn: ($59.12) 3 (2 players)
          Hero bets $41.15, UTG raises to $170.94 and is all-in, Hero calls $129.79

          River: ($401) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $401 pot ($2.75 rake)
          Final Board: 9 A A 3 J
          Hero showed A A and won $398.25 ($198.25 net)
          UTG showed T J and lost (-$200 net)



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          Month to date:


          Gooooooood luck
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          10-12-2017 , 03:23 PM
          [x] Flop quads
          [x] Bet quads
          [x] Bet quads again
          [x] Gets paid

          Confirmed sunrunning aha

          Last edited by z0mgtiltz; 10-12-2017 at 03:24 PM. Reason: And no, wasn't a needle, the book was called Treat poker like a business and was a fun read back in the golden days
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          10-12-2017 , 04:49 PM
          Sick month so far
          If you're winning at 24bb/100 I wouldn't worry about volume
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          10-26-2017 , 02:24 PM
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          Originally Posted by Clanty
          Exactly that. Fingers crossed something happens!!!



          Somewhat true, given the thread title!





          I pray you both are wrong, but I fear you aren't

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          It's been a long time since I updated here properly, so I suppose now would be a good time to do just that!

          Plans to move out are still ongoing. In spite of me being reluctant to stay here in the UK, the fact that I don't have to pay any tax on Poker, and me not having a big enough BR to comfortably move abroad means that I will most likely be moving elsewhere within the UK. However, I have decided to give the studying a much needed rest in the mission to pump out some serious volume at the tables, so there is still a chance that I can pitch the UK plans and move straight abroad. As to where abroad... I'm not 100% sure. Someone offered me a chance to move with him and a buddy of his to Portugal to play on the PS.EU client (it should be really soft there), but that fell through. Atm I am currently toying between eastern Europe and somewhere in Asia. Will have to decide soon!
          Move to Tbilisi, Georgia.
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          10-26-2017 , 02:27 PM
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          Originally Posted by quasselinho777
          Move to Tbilisi, Georgia.
          hi kaladze
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          10-26-2017 , 10:04 PM
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          Originally Posted by quasselinho777
          Move to Tbilisi, Georgia.
          Why? Is it a good place for poker? Was thinking of going there for a holiday.
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          10-27-2017 , 04:16 AM
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          Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
          [x] Flop quads
          [x] Bet quads
          [x] Bet quads again
          [x] Gets paid

          Confirmed sunrunning aha
          lol . I knew I was playing it terribly at the time, but figured that it could work well exploitatively. turns out it didn't matter

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          Originally Posted by dittoro
          Sick month so far
          If you're winning at 24bb/100 I wouldn't worry about volume
          yep, now just gotta sustain it

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          Originally Posted by quasselinho777
          Move to Tbilisi, Georgia.
          just googled it, seems really nice and peaceful. I've decided on moving within the UK as a "pitstop" until I gather the funds I need to move abroad and do what I plan on doing

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          Originally Posted by sirin
          Why? Is it a good place for poker? Was thinking of going there for a holiday.
          looks like a very nice place to holiday in tbh

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          Will post a full update in a few days rounding out October.

          Hope it's been a good month for everyone
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          10-27-2017 , 10:44 AM
          i heard the 200z games are quite soft nowadays, since there are people willing to put in 150bb+ with 37o and getting it in with KTo ( quasselinho ma man )
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          10-27-2017 , 10:57 AM
          An accurate representation for Quasselinho and a man who has just checked to him.


          Last edited by PlasticElephant; 10-27-2017 at 10:58 AM. Reason: metaphor credit to d7sarmy student
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          10-27-2017 , 10:58 AM
          lmao, wtf are these shots outta nowhere
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          10-27-2017 , 11:11 AM
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