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05-20-2016 , 01:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Labax
Just want to say it's awesome seeing you working so hard on your game and improving at the rate you are. Really want to see you go far man! Mind having a breif chat on skype when you get this?
Thanks man Yeah sure.
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05-20-2016 , 01:17 PM
Fanboys ITT

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05-20-2016 , 01:40 PM
Hey guys,

Not sure what is going on atm . I started May playing the best Poker I'd ever played; I felt each day was A++ Poker from me and the reviews evidenced so. But lately (over the last 4 days or so) I've spewed 4 stacks and just not been happy with my play in general. Maybe it is some subconscious tilt creeping through from the downswing? Still not sure, either way it has left me pretty disappointed with myself, as the results are partly down to me playing horribly.

Sorry if this is crappy to read. I made this PG&C to track my results, meet new people, discuss hands, get new insights into other minds and just "blog" about my Poker journey. I suppose there needs to be bad days for you to be able to define others as good, too.

Some hands:

1. Vs aggressive reg who I have noted that can "jam draws". We make 22bb shoving here vs AQdd/KdKh/99/QQ/JsTs/JdTd, but who knows if that range is accurate. Thoughts?
    Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37336782

    Hero (BTN): $24.85 (155.3 bb)
    SB: $32.20 (201.3 bb)
    BB: $15.92 (99.5 bb)
    UTG: $32.64 (204 bb)
    MP: $51.02 (318.9 bb)
    CO: $13.83 (86.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
    UTG raises to $0.48, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.44, SB calls $1.36, BB folds, UTG calls $0.96

    Flop: ($4.48) 9 2 Q (3 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.40, SB raises to $6.16, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.76

    Turn: ($16.80) 3 (2 players)
    SB bets $11.70, Hero raises to $17.25 and is all-in, SB calls $5.55

    River: ($51.30) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $51.30 pot ($1.50 rake)
    Final Board: 9 2 Q 3 5
    Hero showed A A and lost (-$24.85 net)
    SB showed Q Q and won $49.80 ($24.95 net)



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    2. Vs an unknown guy. I really hate posting these hands as I almost find it embarrassing. I can only hope the task of posting these will help stop me from doing these stupid things!!
      Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37336783

      Hero (BTN): $16 (100 bb)
      SB: $16 (100 bb)
      BB: $13.10 (81.9 bb)
      UTG: $10.70 (66.9 bb)
      MP: $16 (100 bb)
      CO: $32.85 (205.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.42, Hero raises to $1.36, 2 folds, CO raises to $3.14, Hero calls $1.78

      Flop: ($6.52) 6 8 T (2 players)
      CO bets $1.61, Hero calls $1.61

      Turn: ($9.74) 2 (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero checks

      River: ($9.74) 8 (2 players)
      CO bets $1.81, Hero raises to $11.25 and is all-in, CO calls $9.44

      Spoiler:
      Results: $32.24 pot ($1.45 rake)
      Final Board: 6 8 T 2 8
      Hero showed K Q and lost (-$16 net)
      CO showed K T and won $30.79 ($14.79 net)



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      3. Vs maniac. His line made little sense unless he actually has 9Ts which there are only 2 combo's of. I think 89s bet flop and overpairs/sets don't bet so big. Thoughts? FWIW I fold vs 90% of players but this guy has 86% AFQ OTR over a decent sample.
        Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37336784

        BTN: $29.43 (183.9 bb)
        Hero (SB): $20.65 (129.1 bb)
        BB: $16 (100 bb)
        UTG: $27.32 (170.8 bb)
        MP: $16.35 (102.2 bb)
        CO: $10.23 (63.9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
        UTG raises to $0.48, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.60, BB folds, UTG calls $1.12

        Flop: ($3.36) 2 6 7 (2 players)
        Hero checks, UTG checks

        Turn: ($3.36) T (2 players)
        Hero checks, UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2

        River: ($7.36) 8 (2 players)
        Hero checks, UTG bets $5.27, Hero calls $5.27

        Spoiler:
        Results: $17.90 pot ($0.81 rake)
        Final Board: 2 6 7 T 8
        Hero showed A K and won $17.09 ($8.22 net)
        UTG showed K Q and lost (-$8.87 net)



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        05-20-2016 , 01:49 PM
        Woopsie. Keep going
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        05-20-2016 , 02:06 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by InYaFaceBaby
        Woopsie. Keep going
        As simple as that may sound, that helps more than you think. Thank you.
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        05-20-2016 , 06:36 PM
        Downswings can be long and hard and we've all been there. Keep posting keep analyzing and keep smiling.

        Point about posting...I never post results and I tend to cut the post at the key point in the hand. It is virtually impossible for anybody to give a clear opinion when they can see the results.

        I prefer that you guys sweat my decisions with me...if the hand is really interesting you can post results later.

        Take the AA hand...I'm saying dude has a set all day long...I'm also saying yeah, I get stacked here if I'm honest.
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        05-20-2016 , 08:02 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Fatboy54
        Downswings can be long and hard and we've all been there. Keep posting keep analyzing and keep smiling.

        Point about posting...I never post results and I tend to cut the post at the key point in the hand. It is virtually impossible for anybody to give a clear opinion when they can see the results.

        I prefer that you guys sweat my decisions with me...if the hand is really interesting you can post results later.

        Take the AA hand...I'm saying dude has a set all day long...I'm also saying yeah, I get stacked here if I'm honest.
        Gotcha, that's a fair point. The results are posted because I'd prefer to see someone's results if I followed their PG&C, as opposed to them keeping it hidden (nothing wrong with doing so). Plus I want to be able to make them THIN BRAGS!!

        From tomorrow I am going to be halving my tables of ZOOM, from 4 down to 2, until (at least) the end of the month. I know that I am not playing optimally when 4 tabling and I believe that employing this approach will help me to play the best I can, and whilst doing so, I will hopefully be able to spot some differences between the two.
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        05-25-2016 , 07:51 PM
        Hey guys

        Hope everyone's well

        I've been on a somewhat hiatus from the tables recently, partly due to me wanting to study and work on my game a lot, and also due to me losing some confidence at my results. I know that losing is a big part of Poker - I clearly have some mental leaks in that department which need to be worked on.

        The studying has been going very well. I have been setting myself daily goals on what I want to be working on and so far I haven't missed one. I've also set up some "tools" in Excel which are helping me work on spots that I am otherwise a bit lost on.

        These are my results for the month, they will be the month ending results give or take a few K hands as I plan to continue my studying schedule until June:-

        16NL:

        25NL:

        Month overall:


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        05-26-2016 , 06:44 AM
        I think it's only natural to feel bad about results when things aren't going your way. In some ways, it would be more concerning if you said "I lost several buyins and felt no emotion whatsoever". Who wants to be an emotionless robot, anyway?
        A bit of studying (and some rungood when you get back in the game) will turn things around I'm sure. A little break from the tables often works wonders, as anyone with human emotions needs a bit of time for residual tilt to subside. With any luck, next month's graph will be the opposite way round. GL!
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        05-26-2016 , 06:48 AM
        You are running really really bad given that blue line.
        Red line is also somewhat worrying. If you were Mr. Bluffmeister, your red line would be more positive, while blue line would go down.
        It's maybe a good idea to get couple hours of coaching to help you find out some basic leaks.
        Remember that zoom has a ton of variance. You could table select normal tables to reduce variance at least for a while.
        Best of luck making through the tough stretch!
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        05-26-2016 , 07:07 AM
        can someone explain me why is Clantys blue line very low. Is that bc he is going to sd very wide/bluffcatch etc. or consequnece of setups and coolers?

        BTW GL Clanty! I am following this thread it is very interesting.
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        05-26-2016 , 07:39 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by underdog27
        can someone explain me why is Clantys blue line very low. Is that bc he is going to sd very wide/bluffcatch etc. or consequnece of setups and coolers?

        BTW GL Clanty! I am following this thread it is very interesting.
        Could be bluffing too much or in bad spots. But I doubt that because his red line wouldn't be that bad. Also could be alot of setups or going to showdown and calling river bets with weak hands too often.

        Could be loads of different things tbh
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        05-26-2016 , 07:50 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Fishtankz
        You are running really really bad given that blue line.
        Red line is also somewhat worrying. If you were Mr. Bluffmeister, your red line would be more positive, while blue line would go down.
        It's maybe a good idea to get couple hours of coaching to help you find out some basic leaks.
        Remember that zoom has a ton of variance. You could table select normal tables to reduce variance at least for a while.
        Best of luck making through the tough stretch!
        I actually do bluff more than the general population. My red line before this month over 100k hands was -3bb/100 which is far more than most at the micro's. It was also breakeven for the first 12k hands of the 25NL graph as you can see, albeit dropping significantly afterwards. I will attribute a good portion of it to runbad, but I definitely have a tonne of leaks as you said which I am working on daily to fix.

        I would love to get some coaching, but I am not really in the right place to afford such privileges.

        Thanks for the reply
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        05-26-2016 , 07:56 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
        I think it's only natural to feel bad about results when things aren't going your way. In some ways, it would be more concerning if you said "I lost several buyins and felt no emotion whatsoever". Who wants to be an emotionless robot, anyway?
        A bit of studying (and some rungood when you get back in the game) will turn things around I'm sure. A little break from the tables often works wonders, as anyone with human emotions needs a bit of time for residual tilt to subside. With any luck, next month's graph will be the opposite way round. GL!
        Thanks a lot Arty!! These are the things I wanna hear

        Yeah I am no robot haha, there were definitely a few pillow-punching episodes lol!

        Let's hope next month takes a foot in the opposite direction
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        05-26-2016 , 07:58 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by underdog27
        can someone explain me why is Clantys blue line very low. Is that bc he is going to sd very wide/bluffcatch etc. or consequnece of setups and coolers?

        BTW GL Clanty! I am following this thread it is very interesting.
        I would attribute a last portion of the low blue line to coolers mate. I do do my fair share of bluffing from time to time, but even after that my blue line is usually positive.

        Welcome btw

        Quote:
        Originally Posted by mahsjdi
        Could be bluffing too much or in bad spots. But I doubt that because his red line wouldn't be that bad. Also could be alot of setups or going to showdown and calling river bets with weak hands too often.

        Could be loads of different things tbh
        Yeah just ****ty spots I think mate. How's Poker treating you?
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        05-26-2016 , 08:02 AM
        Thanks for everyone's feedback. Gives me that extra motivation
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        05-26-2016 , 09:31 AM
        A break is definitely a good thing to take. No one is a robot. Respect for being transparent with your results and being active on here when running bad. Not enough people do that and even better you're responding to everyone in the right way and not just purely bitching because you're on a downswing.

        GL for June (not that you'll need it).
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        05-26-2016 , 10:42 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Labax
        A break is definitely a good thing to take. No one is a robot. Respect for being transparent with your results and being active on here when running bad. Not enough people do that and even better you're responding to everyone in the right way and not just purely bitching because you're on a downswing.

        GL for June (not that you'll need it).
        Cheers man appreciate it!
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        05-26-2016 , 11:39 AM
        Quote:
        Respect for being transparent with your results and being active on here when running bad. Not enough people do that and even better you're responding to everyone in the right way and not just purely bitching because you're on a downswing.
        Plus one to that and also other good advice. From the old timer, I offer you this.

        Be humble and never forget...

        When we are winning we are not as good as we think we are, and when we are losing we are not as bad as we think we are.
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        05-26-2016 , 02:39 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Fatboy54
        Plus one to that and also other good advice. From the old timer, I offer you this.

        Be humble and never forget...

        When we are winning we are not as good as we think we are, and when we are losing we are not as bad as we think we are.
        Very nice! I like the tranquility of it all, don't you?

        Just finished off with a mini sesh because I was bored out of my mind, I ended up

        1. Vs unknown.
          Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37342474

          BTN: $25.94 (162.1 bb)
          SB: $19.38 (121.1 bb)
          BB: $17.65 (110.3 bb)
          UTG: $19.12 (119.5 bb)
          Hero (MP): $16.69 (104.3 bb)
          CO: $16 (100 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with K Q
          UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.44, 3 folds, BB calls $0.28

          Flop: ($0.96) 9 T 6 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $0.68, BB calls $0.68

          Turn: ($2.32) A (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $4.18, BB calls $4.18

          River: ($10.68) 3 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $11.39 and is all-in, BB calls $11.39

          Spoiler:
          Results: $33.46 pot ($1.50 rake)
          Final Board: 9 T 6 A 3
          BB showed T 9 and lost (-$16.69 net)
          Hero showed K Q and won $31.96 ($15.27 net)



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          2. So weird... CO is a very standard 23/18/7 reg and I think he raises the turn >90% of the time with 9T, SB is unknown. Thoughts?
            Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37342476

            BTN: $13.09 (81.8 bb)
            SB: $18.26 (114.1 bb)
            Hero (BB): $32.74 (204.6 bb)
            UTG: $9.43 (58.9 bb)
            MP: $18.98 (118.6 bb)
            CO: $16.56 (103.5 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 8
            2 folds, CO raises to $0.48, BTN calls $0.48, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.32

            Flop: ($1.92) 5 J 8 (4 players)
            SB bets $1.83, Hero calls $1.83, CO calls $1.83, BTN folds

            Turn: ($7.41) 7 (3 players)
            SB bets $2.88, Hero calls $2.88, CO calls $2.88

            River: ($16.05) 6 (3 players)
            SB bets $3.20, Hero calls $3.20, CO folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $22.45 pot ($1.01 rake)
            Final Board: 5 J 8 7 6
            SB showed Q Q and lost (-$8.39 net)
            Hero showed 8 8 and won $21.44 ($13.05 net)
            CO mucked and lost (-$5.19 net)



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            3. Bad river to barrel on. I was going broke on a 5 FWIW. Vs 24/19/7 over 122 hands.
              Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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              BTN: $21.93 (137.1 bb)
              Hero (SB): $16.80 (105 bb)
              BB: $16 (100 bb)
              UTG: $34.28 (214.3 bb)
              MP: $44.15 (275.9 bb)
              CO: $13.57 (84.8 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
              3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.44, BB raises to $3.20, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.76

              Flop: ($6.80) 8 2 3 (2 players)
              Hero checks, BB checks

              Turn: ($6.80) 6 (2 players)
              Hero bets $3.68, BB calls $3.68

              River: ($14.16) 5 (2 players)
              Hero checks, BB bets $9.12 and is all-in, Hero folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $14.16 pot ($0.64 rake)
              Final Board: 8 2 3 6 5
              Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$6.88 net)
              BB mucked and won $13.52 ($6.64 net)



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              4. Wut. X turn because I was feeling sneaky. Vs 25/20/6 171 hands. Pretty clear call otr given my line.
                Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37342478

                BTN: $16.51 (103.2 bb)
                SB: $54.84 (342.8 bb)
                BB: $17.93 (112.1 bb)
                Hero (UTG): $29.10 (181.9 bb)
                MP: $18.08 (113 bb)
                CO: $22.81 (142.6 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is UTG with A J
                Hero raises to $0.44, MP folds, CO calls $0.44, 3 folds

                Flop: ($1.12) K A 6 (2 players)
                Hero checks, CO checks

                Turn: ($1.12) 3 (2 players)
                Hero checks, CO bets $0.66, Hero calls $0.66

                River: ($2.44) 4 (2 players)
                Hero checks, CO bets $3.04, Hero calls $3.04

                Spoiler:
                Results: $8.52 pot ($0.38 rake)
                Final Board: K A 6 3 4
                Hero mucked A J and lost (-$4.14 net)
                CO showed A K and won $8.14 ($4 net)



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                5. Lmao
                  Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37342479

                  BTN: $17.27 (107.9 bb)
                  SB: $16.24 (101.5 bb)
                  Hero (BB): $25.50 (159.4 bb)
                  UTG: $31.68 (198 bb)
                  MP: $33.08 (206.8 bb)
                  CO: $55 (343.8 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 8
                  UTG folds, MP calls $0.16, 3 folds, Hero checks

                  Flop: ($0.40) 4 9 6 (2 players)
                  Hero bets $0.38, MP calls $0.38

                  Turn: ($1.16) Q (2 players)
                  Hero checks, MP checks

                  River: ($1.16) 5 (2 players)
                  Hero bets $1.11, MP raises to $2.22, Hero raises to $3.33, MP calls $1.11

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $7.82 pot ($0.35 rake)
                  Final Board: 4 9 6 Q 5
                  Hero showed 7 8 and won $7.47 ($3.60 net)
                  MP mucked A A and lost (-$3.87 net)



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                  Ended up +1bi over 500 hands, confirmed 20bb crusher.
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                  05-26-2016 , 04:14 PM
                  Don't think I do much different on anything here...except maybe the o/bet turn on hand one? Hand 5...lol, snap mark for posting for the guyz
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                  05-27-2016 , 06:59 AM
                  The 88 hand is very weird. SB's play (especially his bet-sizing going from big to tiny) is bizarre. Since he bet 95% of pot on the flop, I'd be slightly concerned it's jacks, but I think I'd raise immediately, as I don't want the other two players calling with flush and straight draws. (It's a rare spot where you might do better by making some worse hands fold). Just about every turn card between a Q and 4 that doesn't pair the board is bad for you, and your EV might be maximised by folding out the players that have position on you, as they can play more or less perfectly when you just flat. EV-wise, calling should be fine too though; it's just going to be harder to play. Once you call, you kind of have to just call down, as you can't raise on that runout.
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                  05-27-2016 , 10:13 AM
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by Fatboy54
                  Don't think I do much different on anything here...except maybe the o/bet turn on hand one? Hand 5...lol, snap mark for posting for the guyz
                  The OB OTT was interesting. I felt like I had huge FE vs him and clearly the implied if he calls. What does "snap mark for posting for the guyz" mean? Thx for the reply

                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
                  The 88 hand is very weird. SB's play (especially his bet-sizing going from big to tiny) is bizarre. Since he bet 95% of pot on the flop, I'd be slightly concerned it's jacks, but I think I'd raise immediately, as I don't want the other two players calling with flush and straight draws. (It's a rare spot where you might do better by making some worse hands fold). Just about every turn card between a Q and 4 that doesn't pair the board is bad for you, and your EV might be maximised by folding out the players that have position on you, as they can play more or less perfectly when you just flat. EV-wise, calling should be fine too though; it's just going to be harder to play. Once you call, you kind of have to just call down, as you can't raise on that runout.
                  Yeah SB's play is very weird... Raising flop and calling flop both have their pro's and cons. My buddy pointed out something pretty important when going through it after in PT4, which was that 67 is also OE'd (I only saw 9T at the time). I am still not sure what I prefer doing... raising definitely seems better than what it did at the time after realising there is another combo of OESD on the board, though. I guess if the guys behind me call raises/go broke with their draws then raising is 100% the correct decision. Cheers mate
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                  05-27-2016 , 12:47 PM
                  Quote:
                  "snap mark for posting for the guyz"
                  Nuffin much...just fun to share weird stuff villains do. I call it "free chip fun". Poker can be pretty intense a lot of the time, so when villain just auto ships his stack over it nice to share it. Makes us realise poker's not always one tuff muvver.
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                  05-27-2016 , 01:23 PM
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by Fatboy54
                  Nuffin much...just fun to share weird stuff villains do. I call it "free chip fun". Poker can be pretty intense a lot of the time, so when villain just auto ships his stack over it nice to share it. Makes us realise poker's not always one tuff muvver.
                  Ahh lol gotcha. I don't share a lot of those hands as they are completely standard from my side.

                  I'll chuck this one in, though, as I'm sure you will like it . It was about a week ago - when I saw his hand I just began to laugh lmao
                    Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37343398

                    BTN: $29.26 (182.9 bb)
                    Hero (SB): $16.08 (100.5 bb)
                    BB: $17.50 (109.4 bb)
                    UTG: $16.35 (102.2 bb)
                    MP: $16 (100 bb)
                    CO: $15.68 (98 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
                    UTG folds, MP raises to $0.44, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.56, Hero raises to $4.24, 2 folds, BTN calls $2.68

                    Flop: ($9.08) 9 2 Q (2 players)
                    Hero bets $2, BTN calls $2

                    Turn: ($13.08) 5 (2 players)
                    Hero checks, BTN bets $6.24, Hero raises to $9.84 and is all-in, BTN calls $3.60

                    River: ($32.76) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $32.76 pot ($1.47 rake)
                    Final Board: 9 2 Q 5 J
                    BTN showed 3 3 and lost (-$16.08 net)
                    Hero showed K A and won $31.29 ($15.21 net)



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