Decided to make a new thread for this; I managed to beat PLO10z at roughly 5bb/100, this can be seen at the old thread if interested. The goal of this new thread is to get to PLO200z by the end of 2018.
Now I know this is an audacious goal, but I am confident I can get to PLO 50z by the end of the year, but really want to push my limits.
In a bit over one month from late november to late december I managed to play 100k hands. Due to other commitments though, I think volume will only be about 300k hands this year (since I play zoom this is realistic).
If I change site, or gametype, expect far less volume obviously.

Here is my overall graph since I took PLO more seriously (actually studied ect):


I'm back and I'm salty, expect more **** talking, hh's of lolregs on tilt and most importantly, graphs, because for some reason people love graphs (myself included).

BR Management is pretty simple, I will get to 50bi of the limit above and drop down at 30bi, i.e currently at plo10z, at 1250 I will move up to plo25, and will move back down at 750 to plo10. Yes I am a massive BR nit.

The bankroll currently stands at $982.25

Also thinking about getting into HU PLO when I have a decent roll (60bi+) to play with on microgaming but unsure as of yet.
As my favourite PLO players like to say VAMOOOSS

Back with an update,
To separate from the previous >100k hands, I will say that all hands played from January 1st are part of this new challenge.

I am running pretty well



My PLO25 shot paid off, I managed to scoop some buyins, plo25 does seem a little tougher but nothing that I can't managed, the regs are ok, special shoutout to my fav who called me down with an underpair when I had top boat <3
I need to work on 3 bet pots
Pretty confident in most spots in srp's
Continue to plug preflop holes ect.
I aim to play about 30k hands this month, still zooming around
GL at the tables


Spicey

BTN: $17.10 (68.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $103.44 (413.8 bb)
BB: $65.60 (262.4 bb)
UTG: $25 (100 bb)
MP: $34.62 (138.5 bb)
CO: $29.62 (118.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A 5 7 A
UTG raises to $0.70, MP calls $0.70, CO folds, BTN calls $0.70, Hero raises to $3.75, BB folds, UTG calls $3.05, MP calls $3.05, BTN calls $3.05

Flop: ($15.25) 7 7 J (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($15.25) 5 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $9, BTN folds, Hero calls $9, UTG folds

River: ($33.25) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $21.87, Hero calls $21.87

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Subbed, what a sicko love the ev bb/100.

All the best climbing the stakes, i just started a plo thread.

loved your 100k hands thread.

hopefully we will cross paths soon on the virtual felt.

Haha, thanks Dark_Synergy, I make too many mistakes currently to be a sicko, but I aim to be one day

Good luck with your challenge also, I am following

Reg battles are always fun so bring on the heat

Small update inbound,
Played a few k hands, up a little
Observations;
-I am running pretty well
-Need to be control overconfidence so I don't call down too light in spots where the pop. doesn't bluff enough

I think that by march I'll be shooting plo50,
might run bad so must be prepared for a breakeven stretch/downswing in the short term
br stands at ~$1500





Should I barrel here ?
I think villain should have a fair amount of 2 pair/sets here
I block wraps here
The river is a blank
I think that to bluff I can bet big to polarise; Betting smaller like 1/2 pot is probably better but 2p+ will call, betting larger gets rid of 2p generally but I'm not sure if that will illicit enough folds from his range, I don't block any sets, but would villain raise turn when I bet to get value from wraps ? If so, I should bluff on river
but if he slowplayed which is also possible on such a dry board, I will obviously just be donating
Don't think villain can fold any sets can could even call with AQxx
so I decided to check back as his range is generally nutted and I don't think he will call light in a multiway pot, and his range is v. tight on the turn
I also block the wrap

EDIT (after thinking about the hand): I think I have to barrel here, I block a set of 77's which is the most likely set he has, he can have some 44 though
AAxx will likely re-raise pre given that player is SB, oop and two players are already in the pot
I should be betting big here to get folds from 2 pair

Feedback on this hand is appreciated
Here is the graph of my pitiful sample played since the last update:

Bet the river big. You got really nice hand to bluff blocking 7 and your UTG range just crush the runout vs his SB cc range when you have a value hand and go 3 streets - villain is not gonna be a happy camper even with a set of 4's. I'd expect fold eq of 65-70% on the river. And not that you gonna have that many potential bluff hands after 4way flop.

Short update:
PLO 25 Zoom so far:

Holy **** is PLO testing, so many coolers and so much running into top of range, getting called down light in so many spots where I shouldnt, bluff catching only to run into the nuts despite blocking it

I am running good in terms of flips, but running so bad in terms of card distribution,
I have a ton of leaks ofc,
->don't call down so light
->don't bluff fish, they'll just call, balance vs. regs, not recs
The second one alone probably costs me 5bb/100
I could probably write an essay about my never ending list of leaks, I played pretty ****ty this weekend, probably gave away 5-6 BI from mistakes

Thankfully people are really bad 200bb+ deep and I can take advantage of that

@IJustClick Thanks for the reply I realised that I should have bluffed shortly after I posted the hand, you're right completely

Shifting my volume goal to 50k hands this month, need to keep on studying and working on my game, want to be at PLO50 in 1-2 months,

GL at the tables !

Rough session.


PLO 25z so far;


Joey made an interesting comment about PLO BR management, to paraphrase 'If you have a bad losing day and want to jump off a bridge, you should probably play lower'

Luckily I feel fine, I didn't tilt at all, my play was unaffected and my nitty br management has been really effective in terms of allowing me to be comfortable and play well

I beat these games and will zoom up the stakes but sessions like these are frustrating as it has set me back in terms of how quickly I can get to PLO 50 where I want to grind out a fairly substantial roll so I can play plo100 6 max and hu

i guess you cant sun run forever although I am under ev over 150k hands (from plo5 to plo2)_ ~20 bi nothing bad

I have a ton of leaks to work on

run good



more run good:
passionate fish check raises;



gl at the tables

going through a rough swing,
no bluffs go though, they have it or call down with 2p on a flush and straight board when im bluffing with blockers to both,
never win a flip, and 70-30s are practically donations

Playing B game generally, punted a couple of stacks also

Last few sessions:


not sure what to do with my bluffing frequencies, i get to the river with a hand i must bluff with but I know they will call too often for it to be profitable, should I just check back and give up ?

I like that approach to BRM.

I think villian has all sets because of how deep we are and AA being a big part of our UTG range. I don't think he will always 3bet AA here pre-flop but probably c/r the turn with it often. I think most SB range are going to be fairly connected hands like A456DS, A9TJ, AQTJ type hands. Most of those have 2 pair on the river and I don't try to get people to fold a heavy set/strong 2 pair range often unless I have a strong understanding of their tendcies and what they think mine are.

I think we block most of the hands he is going to fold and just because he showed up with it here, doesn't mean you made a bad play

I look at it as a situation where I don't love either option and I would prefer to bluff less here than more as a standard until I have a very strong understanding of ranges.






If you know they are overcalling then you should be underbluffing

When I feel the way you do, I turn all my frequencies down and tighten up in all spots overall. I stop bluffing the flop less which leads to less turn bluffs which leads to less river bluffs. I tighten up my EP and BB ranges a bunch. I try to avoid "flip" spots and take a lower variance route. I try to remember the 70%ers I do win instead of the times I feel like I'm losing.

Basically, when my mental game is to the point where I feel like I can never win, I extra tighten up for a bit or game select extra hard or drop down stakes to regain some confidence. Will be many periods like this as the career goes on.

You should def lose less buyins or play lower stakes if that is how you feel after A feeling I've felt 500 times

I would try to avoid -14bi losing sessions earlier in your career as once they become something that happens regularly and you overcome, they are hard to get rid of as you move up stakes.

It might be easy to lose 14BI in a session at lower and then grind to make it back but once you lose 14bi in a session at 500 or 1k or 2k, it is much harder to make it back. In our heads, we build a tolerance and an understanding that this happened to us before and I made it all back time & time & time again instead of figuring out how to avoid getting to the point where we are -14BI in a session in the first place.

Also, if you wanna do a sweat session, send me a message and let's make it happen.

Wow haha wasn't expecting a reply from the man himself,
thanks for all the advice and yeah I'll message you a sweat session would be sick haha

I could post a plethora of bad beats here but I wont

The month for those who care
A 45 bi downswing, could be even more who knows if I keep losing
Running really bad, worse run I have been through so far,
Alongside winning much less than my equity in all in pots, I have also been running really bad in terms of bluffs and coolers

There are multiple things I need to work on;
1- Thinking before making decisons, the majority of my mistakes come from 'gut-feeling' decisions, I need to think through my range of hands, where this hand fits in in my range, what action should be taken, what exploitations I can make based on the opponent
I shouldn't bluff as much, as exploitatively, the population tendency is to call,
I need to pick my bluffing spots with much greater care, I need to keep emotions in control,
I think I'm going to take a couple days off and just study, go through standard lines, review some hands (something I don't do enough)
Study preflop ranges, 3b ranges, 4b call ranges (I leak money in 4b pots I think)
I have gotten into some very difficult spots in the last week, and this gives me plenty of things to work on. It is better to go through downswings and make mistakes now, on this level than to get slaughter at higher stakes
This is an opportunity to learn from my mistakes, regroup and increase my edge dramatically
I also want to build a new hud, my current one is too clogged and has some usless statistics
Despite January shaping up to be a very disappointing month, I have the whole year ahead, the main challenge will be to stick to my plan, as during downswings I generally play a lot more, and right now I think I need to focus on studying the game so that I can regain some confidence
I will also cut down to 2-3 tables of zoom and drop to PLO10 so that I can just get some winning sessions together
The loss of money doesn't bother me at all, the pain is losing at poker, being set back in terms of how quickly I can shoot PLO50, the fact that I have 1k and am barely rolled from PLO25 (I like having many BI's at my limit)

On the other hand, another way to think of it is that I have broken even for a few weeks, which makes the situation sound less dramatic
Also good thing I am superrolled for my stakes as a losing 40 BI at PLO25 could be considered a bankroll
PLO25 so far:


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I feel a little disappointed but mostly hungry, blood sweat and tears to PLO 200
GL at the tables

The lack of update is purely due to not wanting to post awful results, so now that the plo25 BE stretch appears to have ended (hopefully), I will post this month's volume so far (very little, spending more time studying).

The reason for the break even stretch was due to laziness, its easier/more enjoyable to grind than to study; I had so many leaks its actually embarrassing how badly I played
-Made a new hud/use it more effectively
-Worked on preflop ranges, 3 bet ranges ect
-SRP oop pots
-3-Bet oop
-Regs get ready, made list of exploitative adjustments for all players who I have >2k hands on
I needed to stop blaming the variance and work on my game and I finally did.
I think 10bb/100 ev is very possible but I will ambitiously shoot for 15
Changed from 4 zoom tables to 2 zoom and 4 reg tables, helps me not to autopilot
Sometimes you need to suck it up and admit you are not as good as you think you are; and then proceed to change that
Will be getting in more volume next month, pretty busy rn

GL at the tables !

Good news-bad news,
The good news being that I have picked up a nice little upswing and the br sits at ~1.5k, the bad news being that my computer (which I grind on) has decided to self destruct and my database appears to be gone, although I think I can get it back, I'll take it to some IT specialist

I will also change sites, I want rakeback; paying 11bb/100 w/ no rakeback is extortion, and running 42 BI under EV over 200k hands (PLO10 and 25) just makes me want a change of scene (I know that's not rational lol)
I will be jumping into some HU when BR allows, rather have more buyins to withstand the swings of HU poker

Key things I worked on in my game recently:
- How to play my ranges on different boards BB vs BTN, was leaking a TON of money here
- I was actually overfolding a little vs 3-bets (in all positions), but with higher rake on lower stakes, I think this could in-fact could be correct

Still need to work on managing how I play AA, oop after 3-betting
made a couple of mistakes last session which were entirely avoidable
Postflop oop in plo is hard, especially in srp's, still a ton to think about and going to be focussing on this next

This month has unfortunately been low volume (20k total before last session)
Due to other commitments, I hope to pick up the volume in terms of hours played, but obviously expect lower hands played due to the site change

GL on the tables !