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05-27-2010 , 05:21 AM
Last month I went broke again for the 15th time or something. I realized that I needed to fix my biggest leak which is my tilt. Everytime I lose a couple of buyins I go ape**** and move up in stakes to get my money back.. and of course I go busto doing so.

I want to set myself the goal to build my $100 deposite up to 30BI before I move up in stakes and try not to tilt.

I'll post my graph after every session. I will exclusivly play the 2NL 6max games on full tilt untill I meet my 30BI ($150) goal.
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05-27-2010 , 06:07 AM
Some advice

grind 2/6/9/18/27 man 2.25s sit and gos rake is a biatch on tilt. How anyone can grind NL2 on tilt I don't know its painfully slow. Wait until you've made about 150 profit before moving up or switching to NL5

Record your sessions on a spreadsheet, gives you the feeling of starting over every time you go to play, have a break every hour or so.
Also on the same spreadsheet set out your BRM guidelines. Have a 'start' column for each session with what ur br is on so you always have to read it and see wtf is going on before you just randomly load up tables.

If you notice yourself tilting just give your mind a 10 second break, go get a drink or something even if ur tables are running, or some cognitive speech.
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05-27-2010 , 07:58 AM
Some advice as well:

I'd check out some anti-tilt type coaching/videos/books. A couple off the top of my head are Tommy Angelo videos/podcasts at Deuces Cracked (or his book, Elements of Poker?), or Jared Tendler at DragTheBar (he had much more material at Stoxpoker, but they are unavailable right now).

One thing that helped me with tilt, when I was more prone to it, was hitting my punching bag during my breaks. Much better than breaking my mouse or monitor (not that I ever did that).

good luck!
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05-27-2010 , 01:14 PM
IN the 25 nl games I was a rather LAG player... how should I approach the micro sng's? Playing TAG untill 3 people are left?

How about bluffing?
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05-27-2010 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by britewire
IN the 25 nl games I was a rather LAG player... how should I approach the micro sng's? Playing TAG untill 3 people are left?

How about bluffing?
TAG until you are 5 handed then depending on your stack size loosen up. If you are big stack, I like to put pressure on the blinds but not risk what I don't have to. Let other people try to pick em off.

3 handed get ultra aggressive in my opinion, depending on the blind levels at the time (I've been in the money when blinds are 30/60 and still 4 handed when they are 300/600.)

I rarely bluff at these stakes, too many fish that'll call you with crap regardless.

BAEVentures

Last edited by BAEVentures; 05-27-2010 at 01:26 PM.
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05-27-2010 , 01:32 PM
im playing the 6max games.. full ring is too slow for me.

Like I said, I'm a 25nl player... is it best for me too play the turbo's or the regular 6max?
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05-27-2010 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by britewire
IN the 25 nl games I was a rather LAG player... how should I approach the micro sng's? Playing TAG untill 3 people are left?

How about bluffing?
Just keep your eye on how many BBs you have and act accordingly. It really depends on wether its 6max or the 9/18/27 sit and gos as to how TAG you are and when,,, Don't go in with a strategy other than but to build up your bbs. Keep track of stack sizes make sure you don't push 44 into the chip leader, and put pressure on the stacks that will win you the most equity.

I don't bluff much, but i steal pots that i have the right to own, blind steals against the right opponents with enough BBs in your stack. Stick to position, they call in the sb and bb way too much its funny. if you can't beat 2.25s for 15%+ roi over a nice sample you are still learning basics
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05-27-2010 , 04:30 PM
Took down some 1tble sng's.. I'll take your advice and start playing the 27player sng's after my friends leave...

We're playing wii golf for 5 euro per hole...

Im not dirnking...
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05-27-2010 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
if you can't beat 2.25s for 15%+ roi over a nice sample you are still learning basics
Curious why you think the $2.25's are so beatable at 15% ROI?

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It's difficult to determine exactly what the maximum obtainable ROI is at any given level. The reason for this is pretty simple to understand. Imagine you were the BEST $5 SNG player in the world. Your ROI is higher than any other $5 regular's. You would soon realize, though, that your hourly rate would actually go up if you played $10 SNGs with a slightly lower ROI. In short, most people play whatever stakes let them maximize their hourly rate. So there's no way we'll ever know what's really obtainable at any one level since typically the players that could get that magical number move up from that level.

Today, the dynamic of online poker is such that many of the games are changing in a very short period. With that, you also might find that it's difficult (and therefore, attempts are fruitless at guessing exact numbers) to predict precise attainable ROIs at any given SNG level because the content and quality of the player pool is always changing. The best way to combat this is by paying attention to regulars and fish alike, taking notes on player's, and getting a feel for what about the games are changing, in order to identify who the weak players are, and how to best come up with correct countermeasures for your game plans (end note: I'd say a crucial aspect to this is to identify how pushing/calling ranges are changing).

Having said that, we can still speculate what a very good player at a given level could maintain over a significant sample size. We can find this out by observing good players and through tracking sites such as sharkscope. So without further ado, a very good player could probably expect to have the following ROIs:

Stars 9 Man Turbo
$3.40s - 14%
$6s - 11%
$16s - 8%
$27s - 6%
$38s - 5%
$60s - 4%
$114s - 3%
$225s - 2%
$335s+ - 1%

A few notes should be made on these numbers. These are based on Stars turbos. If you play a non-turbo structure, generally your ROI might increase a few points (due to the slower structure), but at the expense of your hourly rate (again, due to the slower structure). These numbers are quite applicable to major sites besides Stars. Perhaps at a smaller site with a generally worse player pool, you might find you can get a couple of points higher ROI, but again, the games fill slower at smaller sites so this increase in ROI will come at the expense of hourly rate. These numbers are also based on 9-man SNGs. Typically players find that the competition is a slight bit softer in 18-man and likewise, in 6-man SNGs. And finally, it should be stated that ROIs above these figures are possible at each level. However again, if you are capable of maintaining these figures over a large number of games, it's safe to say you are a talented SNG player.
Taken from the STT FAQ page.

Personally my goal is to maintain 15% ROI from $2.25 through $5.50 over 1000 plus games on each. While that is my goal, I don't think it is an easy one to accomplish. At Tilt on $2.25 I would think you could earn maximum 2% more than indicated for the above $3.40 turbo on stars and that's only if you are playing 9 handed non-turbos.

Anyone know where you can search players by 1000 minimum games played at say $5.50 on tilt/stars, non-turbo and sort by highest ROI?

BAEVentures
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