I have recently moved to London and am very close to the Grosvenor casino here (the vic). For all those who don't know its a 24/7 card room upstairs where you can usually find a 1/1 game running.

I've had decent success live as opposed to online with cash games. During my 3rd year of University I went on a tear at 1/2 probably netting around 6k in a few months. But like any new comer I blew most of it on parties and needless shopping.

After I stopped playing this high and was introduced to the Vic by a friend I found the 1/1 game, my favourite thing in the whole world. My hourly at 1/1 is much higher than 1/2 as the fish are worse and the regs are just as bad. Here is my 1/1 graph from last year, a total of around 40 hours (small sample but still).


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I moved to London on Friday and met up with a few friends from the army. We ended up in the casino as some of them are real degens for blackjack, I decided to go play 1/1 and just sit with £50 for fun and within 2 hours I had £750 in front of me.....sick end of variance and cooler.(3 way all in £250 each AA on a A22 board against A2 and K2)

Sitting 750bb deep (some chips missing as they are being shuffled in other hand :P



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As I have just accepted a graduate job Mon-Fri and recently coming off a bad relationship with my head being messed up I want to keep as busy as possible next month and think poker is a profitable and good thing for that.

September Goals
[] 20 Visits with 80 hours minimum
(the reason for this is the Vic has a tournament at the end of the month which you can free roll if you play enough. 30k GTD and would be nice as something to end the challenge. Apparently the standard lowest every month is around 14 visits.
[] Profit £1200
(I think an hourly of £15 at 1/1 is okayish, haven't got a big enough sample to make an accurate assessment
[] Gym 3 times a week, gain 3/4 stone
(I used to be quite muscular but exams/drinking and the break up caused me to lose weight to a slender tone, I want to get healthy again

I will update after every session and weekly with charts, I will include hands as I have never really discussed live hands on 2+2 before. Here we go....

live looks insanely profitable, dont u get super bored tho? surely online is a better alternative?

glgl!

Saturday 25th August

Hours 2
Profit £90
Hourly rate £45

Can't remember this session well as I just decided to make this thread today.

Sunday 26th August

Played a 3 hour session then met friends for sushi and went back for 1 more as I did not feel like ending the night. Ended up leaving as the only 1/1 table became less EV

Hours 4
Profit £110
Hourly rate £33

Now here I have two hands I would like to discuss. As I sit down at the table I notice a very aggro old guy who is mouthing off at everyone (standard)

Hand 1

A6 in CO Eff stack £200. Raise to £3, BTN calls so does aggro old dude.

Flop A69r. Checks to me and I bet £ 6, BTN folds, aggro dude calls.
Turn 10. Checks to me I bet £12, he snap raises me to £40.

I sit and think and know I am probably best and never folding and assume the best move is to flat. Just worried as old donks do, they love raising the nuts and not trapping. So I flat

River Q. He makes it £50. Very easy call IMO as it seems like a scarred bet and he shows A3 off. WP

Hand 2

Effective stack £300, me and aggro donk again.

I raise to £4 on BTN with AA, sb calls and he calls in BB (he moved seat)

Flop 962 two diamonds. I bet £12, both call.
Turn 3. Checked to me I bet £30, sb folds he calls.
River 10. He shoves for £125.... I tank fold after he gives me a speech about how he missed his flush and noticing before he shoved he shook his head in disgust and then shoved (wtf!). Guy in SB tells me he saw his hand as I mucked and he had 93 off suit.

Hand 3

I'm not sure if this is complete spaz but I felt I knew where I was and he could not call.

I raise Q10 in Mid position and get 3 bet by the SB but a min raise. So I call the extra £4 as does BB old woman fish

Flop AQ2 two diamonds. He checks and I check behind.
Turn K of diamonds, he bets £10, old woman calls and I flat as a lot of turns cards are good for me.
River 8 diamonds. I like this spot as I can see what they all do before me. He bets £30 but in a very scared way, she tank folds and I raise to £88. He says 'how sick and folds AA'.

Spew?



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Not end of week but wanna liven it up a bit.

Total Profit £200

tytyty
I think it depends on what kind of person you are I guess. I think for me live is much more profitable and I am just better at it as everyone else is so bad.


I prefer live because of the following reason

1. More fish/reg ratio
2. Regs are terrible fish who just play lots at 1/1
3. Online I multi able and end up not thinking about spots as much due to time restrictions and did not evolve as a player
4. I take my music and just enjoy the live grind I guess
5. I love hearing people say 'I folded 53 I would of made a straight' when a pot was 3 bet pre flop

A few notes

Tipping
I am all for tipping dealers. I mean in a way I feel obliged to share the wealth of the rich degens especially if I am up a lot. However my largest problem is I tip after every decent sized pot, today for example I ended up tipping £11 total.

Now if you are american and that sounds cheap. England is very different and tips are not expected and the dealers sometimes go ages without any. I have decided instead of tipping at the end of every hand I will tip at the end of the month a % of what I earn. An equal percentage will go to charity (as I do not pay taxes). Thinking 5% each to start, maybe more next month)

Spending

I have already gone back to my old ways of spending a lot. I think I will come up with a plan for the amount I can spend if I am way ahead of pace but it needs to be controlled.

Composure at the table

I have gotten a lot better from the old fish days of showing bluffs etc. I still do show the occasional one but only to get people to call me lighter when I know they can. But still need to control it and my talking at the table, also the time I take to bet/call as I feel I have been exploited for this

Today I had 3 beers and started to play badly at the end of the session. I think 1 beer is okay especially after work but no more, if I am going to take this seriously. In fact thinking about it, every single time I have lost £400+ it has been when I was battered

if I asked you if you were a socomer, would you know what I was talking about?

hahaha yes!

but I'm not freezer ... I am Viper from [d4]

with regards to spending, if u just want to play 1/1 because its decent money/soft, do u have the aim to move up limits?

if not spending a lot probs isnt bad at all especially being young and as long as u dont spend so much u become underrolled.

allso, what kind of brm are u using? ive heard 10 BI's for live poker being thrown around...

After rent/food/transport etc the graduate job leaves me with like £4000 per annum in savings if I live a modest lifestyle in London. Of course, I have come custom to a higher life style during my days of having £1000 days at 1/2 during University. I want to find the middle ground and be able to enjoy nice things while Im young (as you said). Things I am looking to do I might a swell right them down and look back one day.

- November- Go to Poland to see a girl I hooked up with this summer and is studying there for a week
- Be able to afford a place with a mate from University in Camden town somewhere
- Get balla clothes/watch
- Summer holiday with the lads


I guess the money I win at 1/1 I enjoy spending on nice things but as you said, I am not interested in staying at this limit for a long time. If anything its simply to gain confidence in my live game and moving up in a year or so once I have £3000 in savings and a £8000 roll for 1/2. I already feel I am one of the best 1/1 players in that place, the standard is terrible and people do swap seats/never 3 bet me without AA etc. But at 1/2 I am scared money so I think 1/1 for a few months would be the best shout

Yes I was not going to play poker anymore as I was not rolled but after winning the £700 and getting a £200 tax rebate I decided to put £200 of my own money in and take a shot with 11 buy ins. I also used to buy in for the max 200bb but after rereading the other London guys live thread, decided to stick with 80-100 because as he said, you can't get into too many bad spots for 100bb, I'm past the point of trying to look high roller at a 1/1 game like last year :/

I think at the higher limits you need more as people are more aggressive and play draws for stacks, but 1/1 people are so passive and you basically just nut peddle profit every hour. I would treat live the same as online as variance can hit you heard sometimes. Nothing less than 20 and obviously having other income/ life roll for living expenses is a must. Too many degens sit with their shopping money these days :/

nice response, its awesome to know what you want to get out of ur profit as well as scheduling like ur future plans with poker.

balla clothes/watch: what stuff do you like? u like GC/hugo boss watches or way more balla like breitling?

what balla clothes u into? like ralph lauren? probs not balla but pretty expensive imo.

good to know about the tipping, explains why the dealers have been shocked almost the past 2 days while i have been at the Vic and the tips I had been giving ( I did notice with others very little tipping so slowed it down )

Does vic charge sessions at 1/1?

No session charge for games below £2/£5. £1/£1 rake is 10% capped at £5.50

Do any 25/50 games run at the vic?

If so how often do they run?

I'm a regular and can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen £25/£50 running in about three years playing. Bigger games like that only really run in the Palm Beach in Mayfair, or in the Vic during the big festivals i.e. EPT

If you're lucky it seems as if 10/25 has been a lot more common lately but I think that might die down when summer passes. They have a 75/150 Mixed Limit game going occasionally as well, certainly more often than anything over £5/£10

gl op!

So today I did not plan on playing. I had to go some shopping and get some shirts/ties/etc for work which starts tomorrow.

The plan was to go shopping and then head to notting hill carnival and get battered. Unfortunately after shopping I ended up being on the underground when the trains did not stop at that station due to massive over following from stations before.

The guy told me to come back in 30 mins or I will be waiting here that long. So I decided to get on the line which no one was using to edgware....

Ended up only playing 30 minutes. Sounds stupid but today was not a grinding day and was meant for getting battered. The table was AMAZING aswell, I had position on the 1 aggro at the table and the others were split between passive nits and passive fish. And we had one WHALE at the table who reloaded like 5 times while I was there..... should of stayed.....

I ended up saying I was going to try the 80bb game today as i think live players do not know how to adjust to such stacks. But after 2 hands I decided to buy in full as it was such a good table and wanted to cover all the 150bb stacks.

Also todays session I had to win a lot more from bluffing non showdown cos my cards were just awful and the situations presented themselves nicely. I rarely bluff this many pots in this space of time, no point at 1/1. Most the time you get stationed like a bause...

Hours .5
Profit £80
Hourly £40

Hand 1

The +1 was meant to make it £5 but forgot to announce apparently before I knew this I made it £7 with A9ss in CO. BB flats and he decides to flat.

Flop KJ2 2 diamonds. Checks to me I make £14. He looks back at his hand and tanks for like 15 secs and calls. I immediately put him on a hand, I think when players look back they usually have a made hand from experience.

Turn Q diamonds. Checks to me, I check behind.

River 9 diamonds. Perfect. I give him credit for KQ or JJ maybe even AJ. Then my favourite thing happens in live poker. He checks to me looking clearly frustrated and then as soon as I count out £39 he grabs his chips as though he is snap calling. I love it when people do this, it means, please DONT BET. I throw it out and he tank folds and shows JJ. I muck and say nothing as I said I would stop showing.

Hand 2

Effective stack is aggro old dude with £200

UTG fish limps, folds to me on BTN I make it £5 with 76dd. BB aggro old dude calls, UTG fish calls.

Flop 582 2 hearts. Aggro guy leads for £6. UTG folds. I flat

Turn A spades. He makes it £6, LOL love it when they make the same bet on the turn screaming '**** I hate that card but I gotta bet'. I raise to £19. He flats

River K diamonds. He checks. I bet £34, he folds 89 face up. I should mention he is a reg and played with me on Saturday and knows I like to float flops with A high when donked into.


The only other hand I would like to discuss and is a topic is set mining in a live game. I mean I think pocket pairs are raised in value in live games as people cannot read them as well and go broke with TPTK a lot.

A guy made it £6 UTG and I was on BTN with 22. He had £55 left behind. Easy fold right? Usually I don't flop that 2 (even though I did this time) but thats being results orientated and is stupid.

Even though it was a small session I am happy with how I played. I seem to play a lot better as I am older and slightly maturer and try and show off less. Ended up spending £40 at Notting hill carnival on beer and am wasted and have work in the morning but meh, freerolled the day with the £40 spent on shirts etc


Total Profit- £282

ha dunno man. I'm a fashionable guy but don't really do massive brands etc. I just mean nice things like this for example

Like I said my wage is okay for a starting london graduate job but not enough I can lead the live I lead or buy these kinda things. Been in london for 3 days and already spent £200 on god knows what.

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Yea I mean I hate to sound like a tight fist but it really is a massive leak. I mean I used to tip after every hand I win, which is stupid as 1 hour later you could be stuck. I think even tipping after every session is silly as the variance isn't there. Tipping monthly if your going to do it is the way forward.

Thanks for the PM man, will hit you up this week when I settle into work.

tytyty

I look forward to following your thread.

Sick graph. Your phone needs to be charged though. I really dig these live threads. It definitely takes a different skill set to succeed at live poker. Looking forward to an awesome thread. GLGL.

defo yeah im gonna start ensuring I track tips on my tracker as well so i can see evidence of what I already know

Tuesday 27th August

Didn't play, ended up going home after work and having a few beers/chillaxing

Wednesday 28th August

Ended up going to play straight after work, felt a bit like playing but not a lot, but I didn't really have a choice because my Ipod battery died at work and did not fancy the 1 hour commute without music.

I ended up staying for 4.5 hours, was a swingy session but standard spots. Bought in for £200 and had my stack up to £400 after an hour or so through value betting top two etc etc.

Then a string of funny hands happened, firstly I get QJhh in MP with two limpers who are passive. I make it £5, BB who I thought was a decent reg called and so did others.

Flop AhKh4d, BB donks for £5, folds to me, I make it £20 to go. He flats

Turn J spades, checks to me I bet £40, he flats.

River 9 diamonds, he checks I jam, and he calls off like £70 with A5 off suit. Don't really hate my play, knew he was weak and had been playing solid until then.

Very next hand I get it in vs an unknown with AA v AK. Standard raise UTG by him, I 3 bet small, he reads it as tilted and jams £100, I snap and he makes a straight on zee flop.

So I was stuck but wasn't really bothered that much as I felt I was playing well.

Few hands later I get 66 in MP and raise to £3, with 4 callers. Flop J86, checked to some dude who makes it £10. I make it £33 and then the guy who called with A5 FLATS! I LOL inside...... he has AJ, only hand he can have. Guy who donks folds, and its a standard bet turn to set up river for a value shove and he snaps with AJ after low cards hit.

Carry on playing for an hour and....

Hours 4.5
Profit £156
Hourly £40

TOTAL PROFIT- £438

Also had a massive steak for dinner as it was late. Home by midnight, work at 9am


ohh also should mention I got put on a table with 1/2 regs to begin with and asked to move.... table selection is everything in live poker


With this win and what I feel is a massive accomplishment in maturity to not tilt or look like a fool when I lose to a bad hand and coming back from around 70 down to £155 up. I shall be buying this 2morrow and also going for cocktails with a girl I met after work!

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Keep the grind on the mind guys!



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do you not consider quitting if ur up like 1 BI and dont really feel like playing? like you said after an hour or so youd doubled up.

I usually have the following rules

A stop loss of 1 BI, simply because I don't play A game after getting stacked once due to low bankroll atm

I usually set myself TIMES to play rather than monetary amounts. If I am at the table, its because I feel there are decent spots and bad players to make a constant profit cos I am a good player

If you sit there thinking you should leave after 1.BI...you shouldn't be playing poker at that table

I do however if the table begins to toughen and I don't feel I am playing my A game, will walk away regardless of the amount I have won/lost.

I don't try to get unstuck or keep profit.I simply play every hand to the max EV I can and constantly review play that I did not before making me better.

Once again I would just like reiterate the biggest leak in 1/1 live poker.... aggro young people who think they are gods gift and can beat anyone in every hand regardless of what their opponent has....

There is a reason the regs you see who squeeze out a profit every day are coming back every day.... cos they are nits. And the young aggro kid who came for a week and was buying in £200 has stopped.... he bluffed way too much cos of his ego, killed his win rate to make him lose and was busto....

read this, Q6 suited the legend sent it me....

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...-easy-1021276/