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An up and down roller coaster.. but I love this game An up and down roller coaster.. but I love this game

06-04-2021 , 11:38 AM
Welcome..

For a long time I have been terrible at using the poker community to my advantage and, well, every time I wanted to... I failed at following through. But we're going to give it a shot and if I trail off from this thread, then I trail off from it even though right now I don't plan to. I am hoping that this will help my journey over the next bit and give me a bit of a boost that I need. This is not the only avenue I am taking, but I know the importance of having a community to discuss poker goals, hands, and what not... and I need to be a bit smarter with my study approach. This first post will probably be a bit longer than posts to come because I feel like I have a lot to type and writing is supposed to be good for you.... so here goes.

I posted in a coaching session a little while ago cuz of some troubles with my game and not being able to beat nl10 on stars. I have had this issue over and over again for a while. I have beat nl10 on other sites in the past, but not on pokerstars. I played on ipoker for a while when I was with the BTS CFP... unfortunately I had to get myself out only after a few months of being with them, because of a change in my day job that actually stopped me from playing poker for about 4 months because of long work hours and a weird schedule. I will mention that it is zoom that I am mostly playing with the odd regular tables mixed in. Zoom is just good for volume for my somewhat tight schedule with the day job I have now, life and what not. Despite not being able to beat it for what seems like forever, I haven't given up. I love poker too much and whether I am a winner.. loser.. breakeven... or pissed off about my **** luck lol, I will always love the game.

Currently I am playing some nl5z cuz I had hit a bankroll mark and had to move down stakes. April and May have been one of the toughest runs for me and as of right now, my graph is show me as a very slight losing player overall for the year at about -0.5bb/100 or so. This sucks cuz I have been playing and studying for years and I was a winning player, but even at the micros, games have gotten a bit tougher than I remember them being. People seem to float more on flops, defend better frequencies and ranges from the BB, etc. So the old tricks don't come as easy. Its funny though because I feel like my knowledge of the game is at an all time high, but I can't execute correctly. I have noted some major leaks in my game and most have stemmed from calling too wide on turns and rivers when villain obviously has it. I can only assume that this may be a bit different at higher stakes where people will bluff at least a bit more often.. but if i was to hazard a guess.. they have it roughly 90-95% of the time at nl5/nl10. Its only the decent regs that pull off these bluffs and there are only a handful. Also, my winrate from the BB is what I would consider atrocious at the moment at about -46bb/100. This is because I think I am defending enough, but don't think I am 3betting pre enough and not taking appropriate aggressive lines postflop.

On top of the above, my mindset is probably my biggest weakness. In the past I have tried to focus on fixing it, but at those times, I think I was just more or less throwing a temporary bandaid on it and didn't stick with it. I ended up getting a coach recently to give me some assistance with my technical game and after seeing some problems with my mental game, they have also given me some advice and a few small exercises to do to get mental prepared or deal with my mental issues. So far, even though its only been a couple weeks in practicing these exercises and others, I think I see some progress... small.. but progress. I'm not getting as annoyed or tilted when that fish sucks out on the river or getting as anxious or nervous after losing a few big pots in a row. I still have a long long long way to go, but seeing even a glimpse of change in that area gives me a bit more confidence. I really think that the mental game has been a huge crutch over the past bit and probably has severely compounded my losses.

I've skimmed over the mental game of poker in the past, but never really did a deep dive on it and really tried to implement teachings and techniques that Jared Tendler promotes. But over the past couple weeks I have really been taking it to heart and I love it. I am only 4 chapters in because I have read and re-read and re-read these a few times over and made some notes. I have been really trying to take it slowly and absorb what is there as opposed to reading it and thinking I understood any of it but then 2 days later its out the window like in the past. As I mentioned above, I read that writing is really good to get things out of the head so you won't dwell on it as much.. or gives you an opportunity to review down the line and actually have a solid documented record of your progress in areas. At the end of the book, there's a questionnaire that I guess Jared uses for his clients to get some background info and understand what issues they have. I spent about 2 hours yesterday and filled this out.. I found it to be cathartic to a degree. Being able to get my thoughts and mindset issues written out, giving myself a profile of my problems helped to put a few things into perspective and I think will help set me up for success in this area for once. I know its going to be a long road and I can't see the end yet, if I ever will, but knowing that I am on that road gives me a bit of joy.

One of the exercises my coach has given me is a branch from the whole writing idea. I do a quick 5-10 min journal entry on a few things post session/post poker day. Its been instrumental I think in putting my issues in line based on severity. My biggest problem I have come across is entitlement, which I do believe is probably one of the biggest mindset issues for most players. Getting that AA, betting 3 streets only to lose to a rivered set... or whatever it may be. It seems that every mental game issue leads to another and identifying, recognizing and resolving the most important will help ease the others as well. If I can eliminate or at least calm the voice in my head that gets pissed off when he rivers that set... I think the feelings of anger or annoyance or tilt from the bad beat on the end will also diminish significantly.

I figure I can keep typing for days if I wanted to, but I think this post is long enough right now and I'll leave some for the future. I plan on adding something here each day I play a session. That will probably include some notes that I put into my session tilt journal, which will usually include a hand where I maybe made a mistake in mental game. Also I'll post a hand or two for strategy reasons and try and get some feedback from the 2+2 community.

One thing I wanted to end with was some goals since this is a goals forum... I only have a few that I think are relevant right now and don't want to go too longterm with it.

- goal to be playing nl25 at minimum by the end of the year. I think this is very achievable as long as I can get these technical and mental leaks fixed soon. Don't want to have a monetary bankroll goal because I don't think its as productive since I may feel a bit more depressed if I don't hit it.
- goal to be recognizing my tilt patterns and working through them again by the end of the year.. so I can keep playing profitably and stop letting the bad mindset affect my performance.
- just for shits and giggles.. longterm and we'll say within the next year and a half (December 2022 i guess).... I want to be playing and doing well at nl200.

If you stuck around and read through this... welcome and thanks... it was a bit of a rant... bit of whatever... but I'm happy that I did it. Hopefully I don't follow in past footsteps and trail off............

Last edited by Qwyktyme; 06-04-2021 at 11:43 AM.
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06-06-2021 , 03:05 AM
Alright... here's my first post session post.

Wasn't the greatest session.. run bad is going in the same direction as the last two months. QQ vs AK.. K on turn.. AK in with AA allin preflop (hand below). Couple other shitty spots. But I feel much better about my playing though and think I am on the right track. I think I've got some of my preflop issues sorted out and staying cognizant of my mental game while I play. Couple hands definitely did tilt me a bit, but I caught it and recognized it before letting it spiral and throw my game off in any way. So I can be happy about that at least.



Put a few hands below that I am not sure on.. It would be great to get some feedback. Anything is welcomed and appreciated.


Hand #1

This first one... wondering if I should have played this any other way. Seems pretty standard on the flop with a cbet on the straight flush draw and I would expect the turn is a standard cbet too when I pickup the extra equity. I went with an overbet, since it looked like a good spot to put some pressure on villain's one pair hands and scoop up max value when I do hit my draw. It is a bit scary when he calls though.. I assume the river is still an allin though and its just an unlucky situation?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 127.6 BB
BB: 81.8 BB
Hero (UTG): 114.2 BB
MP: 48.6 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5d 6d
Hero raises to 2.4 BB, fold, CO calls 2.4 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, fold

Flop : (8.2 BB, 3 players) 3s 9d 8d
SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB, fold

Turn : (18.2 BB, 2 players) 4s
Hero bets 25.8 BB, CO calls 25.8 BB

River : (69.8 BB, 2 players) 4d
Hero bets 81 BB and is all-in, CO calls 66.8 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 5d 6d (Flush, Nine High)
(Pre 35%, Flop 28%, Turn 30%)

CO shows Td Qd (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 65%, Flop 72%, Turn 70%)

CO wins 195 BB


Hand #2

Called the flop with my gutter and overcard and I think this is good. The queen is obviously a good card for my specific hand and I think a standard call again. I ended up calling the river bet because this guy was quite aggro playing 46/41 with 100% cbet on all streets (admittedly a very small sample but I think I can still make an assumption that he's on the wild side), I unblock spades that he could be triple barreling and I am blocking 86, J8 and Q8. Thoughts?.... well I guess Q8 isnt very relevant but anyway.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 77.2 BB
SB: 111.4 BB
Hero (BB): 300.4 BB
UTG: 364.8 BB
MP: 188.8 BB
CO: 114.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8d Qd
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (9 BB, 3 players) 9h 5s 7s
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 4.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 4.2 BB

Turn : (17.4 BB, 2 players) Qc
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.8 BB, Hero calls 7.8 BB

River : (33 BB, 2 players) Tc
Hero checks, BTN bets 31.6 BB, Hero calls 31.6 BB

BTN shows 8h 6d (Straight, Ten High)
(Pre 28%, Flop 92%, Turn 97%)

Hero mucks 8d Qd (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 72%, Flop 8%, Turn 3%)

BTN wins 92.2 BB


Hand 3

Not much to say on this one. Just wondering if I should be calling the roughly 40% river bet with this hand from a fish? My hand has some significant blockers, blocking AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, QJ. However, I think population playing a fishy style and an ABC style is probably just has an Jx or Ax almost always and that's why I opted for the fold.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 165.4 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 123.8 BB
UTG: 104 BB
MP: 97.8 BB
CO: 148.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Qd Kd
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 7 BB

Flop : (21.4 BB, 2 players) Ks Js Jh
UTG checks, Hero bets 7 BB, UTG calls 7 BB

Turn : (35.4 BB, 2 players) Ac
UTG checks, Hero checks

River : (35.4 BB, 2 players) 8c
UTG bets 15 BB, fold

UTG wins 34 BB


Hand 4

Folding preflop ever an option here for anyone? Villains stats are pretty nitty at 20/17 with 7% 3bet and too small a 4bet sample to know anything.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 94.4 BB
SB: 102.8 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 152.6 BB
MP: 155.6 BB
Hero (CO): 116.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kc Ad
fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 22 BB, Hero raises to 116.4 BB and is all-in, MP calls 94.4 BB

Flop : (234.2 BB, 2 players) 4h 7c Tc

Turn : (234.2 BB, 2 players) 5s

River : (234.2 BB, 2 players) 9c

MP shows Ac Ah (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 93%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)

Hero shows Kc Ad (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 7%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)

MP wins 224.4 BB

Last edited by Qwyktyme; 06-06-2021 at 03:14 AM.
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06-06-2021 , 03:09 AM
Can someone also tell me how to get the damn image to work?
An up and down roller coaster.. but I love this game Quote
06-06-2021 , 05:28 AM
I upload the images to "Imgbb.com" and from there I copy the "direct link" and past the link in "insert image" (second left from the youtube emblem).



Voila

GL OP
An up and down roller coaster.. but I love this game Quote
06-06-2021 , 10:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KidCudi147
I upload the images to "Imgbb.com" and from there I copy the "direct link" and past the link in "insert image" (second left from the youtube emblem).



Voila

GL OP
Hmmm.. ya thats what I did the first time but it didnt show up... weird.
An up and down roller coaster.. but I love this game Quote
06-06-2021 , 10:34 PM


second attempt




..... nope... what the f..

attempt 3..




https://imgur.com/RE1C7HB

the URL link works by itself but won't show up on the forum... ugh

Last edited by Qwyktyme; 06-06-2021 at 10:44 PM.
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06-07-2021 , 01:35 AM
Played another small session.. unfortunately couldn't play too much today cuz of some heat stroke from being in the sun and not drinking enough water yesterday. Felt like **** for a good chunk of the day. Think I played pretty good despite a breakeven session of I think it was -$.01 lol. I am concerned that some of my adjustments are pretty nitty and maybe now I am not calling enough on turns and rivers raises and large bets on the river. But too often they just have the goods at these stakes at least and I think generally speaking when they have it, its probably ok to overfold.

Anyway... couple hands below and if the pic doesn't work again, I'll just add another link so at least I have something there. I have tried everything and it doesn't want to work for me. I feel like an idiot

The pic/link is from my session yesterday to the session today. Was having a problem separating the graphs since I was past midnight.. only got in about 600 hands tonight.



https://ibb.co/3z6xyhW


Hand #1

I think I made a mistake based on pot odds and being OOP to be calling here on the turn. Probably not getting paid off easily enough on the river, if I hit my flush and can still be behind if an A comes. In game, I was considering a raise on the turn to put pressure on some spade draws that decided to continue betting and maybe some pocket pairs that villain maybe thought were good enough to go for a second barrel. Thoughts on the call and a turn raise?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 109.2 BB
Hero (SB): 109.4 BB
BB: 139 BB
UTG: 102 BB
MP: 203.8 BB
CO: 366.4 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ad Td
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop : (18 BB, 2 players) Qd 4s 2s
Hero checks, BB bets 5.6 BB, Hero calls 5.6 BB

Turn : (29.2 BB, 2 players) 6d
Hero checks, BB bets 18.4 BB, Hero calls 18.4 BB

River : (66 BB, 2 players) Jh
Hero checks, BB checks

Hero shows Ad Td (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 29%, Flop 13%, Turn 25%)

BB shows Ks As (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 71%, Flop 87%, Turn 75%)

BB wins 63.2 BB


Hand #2

This is a hand why I am questioning that maybe I am folding a bit too much on rivers now. I have a couple better Ax hands to call with (AJo, AQo, A9s) but not much more than that since everything is either worse than A8s or 3bet preflop. Sets, two pairs I am more often raising before the river so I think this A8 is actually an ok.. not great.. but ok candidate to call down with and I probably made a mistake here. The size up on the river is what ultimately pushed me to fold.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 125.4 BB
SB: 99.2 BB
Hero (BB): 101.4 BB
UTG: 146.2 BB
MP: 114.6 BB
CO: 366.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8d Ad
fold, fold, CO raises to 2.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.4 BB

Flop : (5.2 BB, 2 players) Ac 6s 4d
Hero checks, CO bets 1.6 BB, Hero calls 1.6 BB

Turn : (8.4 BB, 2 players) Qd
Hero checks, CO bets 5.2 BB, Hero calls 5.2 BB

River : (18.8 BB, 2 players) Th
Hero checks, CO bets 18 BB, fold

CO wins 18 BB


Hand #3

Probably just should have cbet the flop.. decent for my 3bet range. When he checked through, I made the decision to bet turn and was planning on betting river pretty much no matter what except a K. I thought the paired Q was actually a good card for me to pull the trigger. Definitely have a few Q's that I could have checked on the flop. However, we both have a good chunk of Qx in our 3bet and 3bet calling ranges. Villain seems like an ok reg and I expect he just had a good Q or better here and was just hoping I made a move on the river like I did. It an obvious fold with K high... but wondering on what would be an appropriate line? Maybe I should have overbet or shoved the river instead...

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 102.2 BB
SB: 88 BB
BB: 104 BB
UTG: 64 BB
MP: 140.4 BB
CO: 112.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kh 9h
fold, MP raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 5.6 BB

Flop : (17.4 BB, 2 players) Ac 6d Qs
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn : (17.4 BB, 2 players) 3s
MP checks, Hero bets 12.6 BB, MP calls 12.6 BB

River : (42.6 BB, 2 players) Qd
MP checks, Hero bets 31 BB, MP raises to 119.8 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 100.2 BB
An up and down roller coaster.. but I love this game Quote
06-07-2021 , 01:40 AM
Think Im going to need a 2+2 coach too on how to get these pics working and how to my hand histories look like everyone elses....
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06-07-2021 , 10:18 AM
I don't think many are really reading this and that's ok... I am going to keep it going for my own peace of mind... It is actually really nice to write stuff out whether people care or not.

This is a sample of my daily "Tilt Journal" that I have been working on at the end of each poker day. I think its helped considerably to recognize some areas of problems and identify the irrational thinking sometimes.

JOURNAL (DAILY) MAY 5

In-game Challenges - please note down answers to all questions after every day of play, near to the end of your day:

1. How did you feel as you were starting your day?
Pretty good. Nothing negative to report.

2. How did you feel as you were ending your day?
A bit moody towards the end of my session/day. Went downhill towards the end and threw me off a bit. Don’t think I tilted really though… just some annoyance with the outcome.

3. What mental game mistakes do you remember from this day’s poker play? Choose one hand example and write down the hand here.
I think just letting the last few big hands get to me even though I believe 2 of the 3 were just coolers. I know its probably my mind playing tricks on me but just seems like I whenever I get QQ in with AK preflop… I lose. I guess its an entitlement/run bad problem again.
UTG opens 3bb, call, call, I 3bet to 17bb from BB, UTG goes allin and we call. Reg turns over AKo.. FLop is 4c7cTh, turn Ks, River 4h.

EXERCISE: Do a 30-second memory meditation on the moment you clicked that button.

4. Are you able to think through and understand why you made the mistake? Try to answer in both strategy and mental games terms.
Yes Its an unfortunate flip situation that my mind is telling me you don’t win these ever so you’re going to lose again. And once I tell myself this, its hard not to be annoyed when the K or A hits and there I am again in the same run bad situation. I know its just a cooler in the end and its the way it is, but I let it get to me a bit everytime especially when it happens often during a run bad period.
Strategically I don't think there’s anything I could have done except called.. I think a lot of time this jam is going to be AK and maybe QQ or small % of the time JJ from a reg, since I don’t expect AA or KK to be jamming often and probably 4betting mostly. So its a fine call and I am a slight favourite.

5. In the worst moments of your day, what were you focused on and thinking about?
Probably just that… why am I so unlucky that after playing decently, do I get my last 3 allin hands on the losing side and all of which basically coolers.

6. In the best moments of your day, what were you focused on and thinking about?
That I think I have been playing pretty well since starting these mindset exercises and keeping focused in game on the few areas here I think I need improvement

7. What time have you spent away from the screen today?
Quite a bit actually.. Saturdays a lot of the time are housework days so got a bunch done. Didn’t really hit the screens until the evening time when it was time to relax and my session was much later in the night.

8. What human interaction have you had today?
My two boys

9. Can you come away from today’s grind with a positive thought which you can bring to the rest of your life? What is it?
Umm… I’m really not too sure what to say about this one for todays grind.
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06-20-2021 , 02:25 AM
Haven't really updated this in a week or two... so thought I would post a little something..

Still not running good but feel a bit better with my mindset. Things I have in place to combat it seem to working... slowly working.

I decided I am going to go with some short term goals for my game right now and increase as I feel good to do so.


Goal #1 - I will play a minimum of 25000 hands every month from here on out. This goal is because my volume has been down due to my motivation, however I am not going to let that get to me.

Goal #2 - To beat NL10 zoom. Simple, I will beat it.. No trying to beat it.. no giving it my all. I will do, if it takes me forever.

Goal #3 - Update my 2+2 thread 3 times a week.


Graph for June so far... not looking great but thats ok cuz it will turn around sooner or later.



https://ibb.co/4FpWxy6 .... link since I still can't get these photos working.. i don't really get it.

EUREKA!!!!! I DID IT!!!
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06-20-2021 , 02:49 AM
A couple hands...

So I actually timed out on the river on this one and didn't realize I didn't click the timebank.

#1

- Preflop - elect to call the 4bet, which I think is fine IP.
- Flop - hit top pair, so I think a call is in order and straight forward.
- Turn - Villain checks which makes me think he more likely has a hand like AQ or AK.. however maybe QQ checks some of the time OOP. I check behind cuz I dont think theres much value to be gained from betting.
- River - I didn't know what to do.. the price is enticing and looks like I only need to be right 1 out of 5 times, but I don't think he's ever bluffing for this size. It looks to me at this point that he's holding TT-QQ, maybe KK/AA. But I don't know if sets are ever checking on the turn, nor if he's doing the same with QQ-AA. I think they should continue betting, but who knows what people will do, maybe he was looking for a check-jam situation.

Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 334.6 BB
SB: 142.5 BB
BB: 159.7 BB
UTG: 142.3 BB
MP: 145.4 BB
Hero (CO): 101 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J K

fold, MP raises to 2.2 BB, Hero raises to 7.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 19 BB, Hero calls 11.6 BB

Flop: (39.5 BB, 2 players) T 7 J
MP bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Turn: (65.5 BB, 2 players) 3
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (65.5 BB, 2 players) 4
MP bets 21.6 BB, fold

MP wins 62.3 BB


#2

Preflop - Looking to isolate the fish, so we go for a 3bet.
Flop - very dry.. a bit better for villains range since he has more 87/98s, some A8s.. but so dry that I think he's folding a decent amount of the time, that a cbet is good.
Turn - gives me a gutter and choose to bet.. not sure about this considering the 9x again is better for him then me. He could have some 9x that he floated, 89s gets there. Although a bet could fold out his, overcard floats which is good for us.
River - Not sure If I should have continued with a triple. I think the check is fine since he's a recreational and could have all sorts of things. Against a reg though, I think continuing may be the best option since I have no showdown and this probably is one of the worst hands I would play this way.

Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 232.2 BB
Hero (SB): 191.1 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 154.2 BB
MP: 367.3 BB
CO: 104.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q T

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 8 8 3
Hero bets 5.7 BB, MP calls 5.7 BB

Turn: (30.4 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 21.8 BB, MP calls 21.8 BB

River: (74 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, MP checks

Hero shows Q T (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 48%, Flop 27%, Turn 23%)
MP shows A 3 (Two Pair, Eights and Threes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 73%, Turn 77%)
MP wins 70.3 BB
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06-20-2021 , 05:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwyktyme
Welcome..

For a long time I have been terrible at using the poker community to my advantage and, well, every time I wanted to... I failed at following through. But we're going to give it a shot and if I trail off from this thread, then I trail off from it even though right now I don't plan to. I am hoping that this will help my journey over the next bit and give me a bit of a boost that I need. This is not the only avenue I am taking, but I know the importance of having a community to discuss poker goals, hands, and what not... and I need to be a bit smarter with my study approach. This first post will probably be a bit longer than posts to come because I feel like I have a lot to type and writing is supposed to be good for you.... so here goes.

I posted in a coaching session a little while ago cuz of some troubles with my game and not being able to beat nl10 on stars. I have had this issue over and over again for a while. I have beat nl10 on other sites in the past, but not on pokerstars. I played on ipoker for a while when I was with the BTS CFP... unfortunately I had to get myself out only after a few months of being with them, because of a change in my day job that actually stopped me from playing poker for about 4 months because of long work hours and a weird schedule. I will mention that it is zoom that I am mostly playing with the odd regular tables mixed in. Zoom is just good for volume for my somewhat tight schedule with the day job I have now, life and what not. Despite not being able to beat it for what seems like forever, I haven't given up. I love poker too much and whether I am a winner.. loser.. breakeven... or pissed off about my **** luck lol, I will always love the game.

Currently I am playing some nl5z cuz I had hit a bankroll mark and had to move down stakes. April and May have been one of the toughest runs for me and as of right now, my graph is show me as a very slight losing player overall for the year at about -0.5bb/100 or so. This sucks cuz I have been playing and studying for years and I was a winning player, but even at the micros, games have gotten a bit tougher than I remember them being. People seem to float more on flops, defend better frequencies and ranges from the BB, etc. So the old tricks don't come as easy. Its funny though because I feel like my knowledge of the game is at an all time high, but I can't execute correctly. I have noted some major leaks in my game and most have stemmed from calling too wide on turns and rivers when villain obviously has it. I can only assume that this may be a bit different at higher stakes where people will bluff at least a bit more often.. but if i was to hazard a guess.. they have it roughly 90-95% of the time at nl5/nl10. Its only the decent regs that pull off these bluffs and there are only a handful. Also, my winrate from the BB is what I would consider atrocious at the moment at about -46bb/100. This is because I think I am defending enough, but don't think I am 3betting pre enough and not taking appropriate aggressive lines postflop.

On top of the above, my mindset is probably my biggest weakness. In the past I have tried to focus on fixing it, but at those times, I think I was just more or less throwing a temporary bandaid on it and didn't stick with it. I ended up getting a coach recently to give me some assistance with my technical game and after seeing some problems with my mental game, they have also given me some advice and a few small exercises to do to get mental prepared or deal with my mental issues. So far, even though its only been a couple weeks in practicing these exercises and others, I think I see some progress... small.. but progress. I'm not getting as annoyed or tilted when that fish sucks out on the river or getting as anxious or nervous after losing a few big pots in a row. I still have a long long long way to go, but seeing even a glimpse of change in that area gives me a bit more confidence. I really think that the mental game has been a huge crutch over the past bit and probably has severely compounded my losses.

I've skimmed over the mental game of poker in the past, but never really did a deep dive on it and really tried to implement teachings and techniques that Jared Tendler promotes. But over the past couple weeks I have really been taking it to heart and I love it. I am only 4 chapters in because I have read and re-read and re-read these a few times over and made some notes. I have been really trying to take it slowly and absorb what is there as opposed to reading it and thinking I understood any of it but then 2 days later its out the window like in the past. As I mentioned above, I read that writing is really good to get things out of the head so you won't dwell on it as much.. or gives you an opportunity to review down the line and actually have a solid documented record of your progress in areas. At the end of the book, there's a questionnaire that I guess Jared uses for his clients to get some background info and understand what issues they have. I spent about 2 hours yesterday and filled this out.. I found it to be cathartic to a degree. Being able to get my thoughts and mindset issues written out, giving myself a profile of my problems helped to put a few things into perspective and I think will help set me up for success in this area for once. I know its going to be a long road and I can't see the end yet, if I ever will, but knowing that I am on that road gives me a bit of joy.

One of the exercises my coach has given me is a branch from the whole writing idea. I do a quick 5-10 min journal entry on a few things post session/post poker day. Its been instrumental I think in putting my issues in line based on severity. My biggest problem I have come across is entitlement, which I do believe is probably one of the biggest mindset issues for most players. Getting that AA, betting 3 streets only to lose to a rivered set... or whatever it may be. It seems that every mental game issue leads to another and identifying, recognizing and resolving the most important will help ease the others as well. If I can eliminate or at least calm the voice in my head that gets pissed off when he rivers that set... I think the feelings of anger or annoyance or tilt from the bad beat on the end will also diminish significantly.

I figure I can keep typing for days if I wanted to, but I think this post is long enough right now and I'll leave some for the future. I plan on adding something here each day I play a session. That will probably include some notes that I put into my session tilt journal, which will usually include a hand where I maybe made a mistake in mental game. Also I'll post a hand or two for strategy reasons and try and get some feedback from the 2+2 community.

One thing I wanted to end with was some goals since this is a goals forum... I only have a few that I think are relevant right now and don't want to go too longterm with it.

- goal to be playing nl25 at minimum by the end of the year. I think this is very achievable as long as I can get these technical and mental leaks fixed soon. Don't want to have a monetary bankroll goal because I don't think its as productive since I may feel a bit more depressed if I don't hit it.
- goal to be recognizing my tilt patterns and working through them again by the end of the year.. so I can keep playing profitably and stop letting the bad mindset affect my performance.
- just for shits and giggles.. longterm and we'll say within the next year and a half (December 2022 i guess).... I want to be playing and doing well at nl200.

If you stuck around and read through this... welcome and thanks... it was a bit of a rant... bit of whatever... but I'm happy that I did it. Hopefully I don't follow in past footsteps and trail off............

think the mental game tilt control things huge and using proper bankroll risk management, not like you really need to have a complicated strategy at micros you can probably play super exploitable and let people exploit you and make least little bit basically wait around for a donation from someone lol.

zooms ****ing hard though, trying to beat it myself lol its just a completely different game to normal tables least is to me it is the dynamics are just weird in zoom, i wouldnt play regular tables anything like how im attempting currently to play zoom think they really need different approaches you can get away with far more on regular tables or mistakes dont matter in same way if the people stick around for awhile and you can make quick adjustments and readjustments to patterns you spot and really attack anything you can attack.
zoom just makes me feel dumber than already do feel lol, the pools are mad tight pre super cally cally stationy post, noticed genuinely dont care about sizing if they want to see a river there seeing it, which everyone seems to at least want to see it lol.
Good luck well unless we cross paths then hope bad luck lol.

but i think dont overcomplicate the game, let people exploit you in some areas even if you know what there strength is, so not going for every single breakeven bluff or hero call, so you in turn can exploit yourself back.

and try minimise monkey tilt (really hard i know even more so at zoom) and dont move up or around stakes left right and centre (or more use bankroll management of some kind rather than screw it lets bounce up prematurely).
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06-20-2021 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by whycantifeelit
think the mental game tilt control things huge and using proper bankroll risk management, not like you really need to have a complicated strategy at micros you can probably play super exploitable and let people exploit you and make least little bit basically wait around for a donation from someone lol.

zooms ****ing hard though, trying to beat it myself lol its just a completely different game to normal tables least is to me it is the dynamics are just weird in zoom, i wouldnt play regular tables anything like how im attempting currently to play zoom think they really need different approaches you can get away with far more on regular tables or mistakes dont matter in same way if the people stick around for awhile and you can make quick adjustments and readjustments to patterns you spot and really attack anything you can attack.
zoom just makes me feel dumber than already do feel lol, the pools are mad tight pre super cally cally stationy post, noticed genuinely dont care about sizing if they want to see a river there seeing it, which everyone seems to at least want to see it lol.
Good luck well unless we cross paths then hope bad luck lol.

but i think dont overcomplicate the game, let people exploit you in some areas even if you know what there strength is, so not going for every single breakeven bluff or hero call, so you in turn can exploit yourself back.

and try minimise monkey tilt (really hard i know even more so at zoom) and dont move up or around stakes left right and centre (or more use bankroll management of some kind rather than screw it lets bounce up prematurely).

ya.. I agree, zoom is fudging hard.. Ive really been contemplating going back to regular tables. Back when I first started taking poker seriously and studying, I played the regular tables and had really nice win rates. I'm sure the win rates wouldn't be that good, but from what I have seen the best regs on stars for instance are anywhere from 7-15bb/100. Many benefits to playing the regular tables, table selection and playing someone for many hands in a row instead of once every 30 hand - easier to exploit. I think. I keep going back to the thought that maybe I should... so maybe I should lol. I have never really had great success at zoom. It seems odd since its still poker, but like you said the dynamics are different and I guess I just can't get used to the change.

My mental game work I think is slowly helping in diminishing some of the problems. Still long path to go, but the tilt journal and the Mental Game of Poker has been putting things right.

I think i'm convinced to play some regular tables for a bit... maybe i'll give it a shot for a month and see where it takes me. Hopefully book some wins.

Thanks for the reply.
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