You should give bbissick some recommendations if you’re going to hate on Elliot Roe no?

By that logic should OP not hire an accountant either? Being highly motivated doesn’t make you an expert in everything or even give you the ability to reasonably become one.

He thinks that it’s +EV and I’m assuming it’s not a long term commitment...

It can be mutually beneficial. The value is also going to be far greater for someone playing high stakes.

Elliot Roe was actively coaching Galfond throughout his challenge with Venividi. He's even created a product in association with RIO. To me, that's a big enough calling card for him to justify the expense.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe bbissick originally went through the CFP program before becoming a coach himself. Clearly he understands the value of experts and their potential insights that they could bring to his game. These insights could be and is usually worth so much more than the strict monetary value that they cost.

what about buying a sports car, isn't it giving some of your success to the car company in exchange for a car? Might as well just build your own car from scratch

Gotta disagree with this. I have been very successful. I also know in my heart of hearts I'm still not performing upto my potential.

Do I put more work than the average pro? Yeah ofc, it's a low ceiling. But I'm not reaching my ceiling on my own so having some guidance feels like it's a worthy investment.



Yes, this was a 'fear' so to speak I guess. Obviously, this doesn't come cheap, but in the end I felt like it was worth the investment. I'll give my complete thoughts for sure here while I work w him.

I also did buy his A game course and really enjoyed/got a lot out of it

I also just want to point out that I don't even think of myself as highly motivated. I put my hours in here guys, I think I'm averaging a little over 33 hours of poker a week. So don't feel like im outworking a bunch of guys




Yeah can pretty much confirm this. Have spent almost 6 figures on coaching and the returns have been well worth it.

I like this analogy.

Getting back after it this month. Making a one time vlog for BTS students this week so actually dusting up my old video making/editing skills (got my degree in media productions)

I'm not sure the analogies really make sense. I'm assuming he isn't capable of building a car himself in a cost or time efficient manner, so buying a car could make sense if he needs or wants one. Assuming he needs an accountant, I'm assuming it is because he needs some sort of accounting services that he isn't capable of doing himself in a cost or time efficient manner. My point was that he seemed pretty well motivated and able to keep a good mindset, so I questioned the cost/benefit of paying someone whose job is to motivate you and improve your mindset rather than using that time/money focusing on improving actual gameplay. Maybe he isn't as motivated as he thinks he could/should be though.

I would have thought that most people would have agreed that in general (meaning all in general; not necessarily related to poker) mindset coaching, life coaching, speakers at motivational seminars and the like are fairly rife with unhelpful snake oil for sale.

But I'm sure there are some good coaches/speakers or seminars out there and if a person finds someone or something that actually is good and they think will help, then best of luck to that person.

Also, my last post in this thread was very late and I may have been a bit inebriated after watching the DVR'd Monday night football games. And I'd never heard of Elliot Roe before a couple quick google searches right before posting that, so I still don't really know much about him. So I apologize for that.

Anyway, good luck to bbissick in this arrangement and anyone else in anything similar.

Sorry for bringing down the vibe in the thread.

most people don't work in environments where their expected profit is directly correlated to their performance levels- i.e. if they're playing their A game.

Hey man, absolutely no need to apologize, I really don't mind counter views and I don't feel like you brought down the vibe, we just disagree on some points ofc. I enjoy your posts so please keep bringing your opinion here

In an absolute career year, I still feel like I'm not living upto my potential/talents. I think complacency is really easy for me to have when I've been winning and I'm arguably the best player in the state and one of the better player ins the country.

In the end, I think I put myself in a really great position financially post poker if I really just improve a lot of general things---working harder, mindset issues, tilt issues, sleep issues, procrastination issues etc.

I don't disagree with you regarding there being shady characters in these life coaches, but I did some vetting and talked w others who have worked w Elliot and felt it was worth pulling the trigger.

I even had a little fear of going through it...I had thoughts of "this is a big investment financially, what if it doesn't work". In the end, I think my return will be well worth the session.

Yeah absolutely. Performance is everything, and a really big thing I love about (online) poker is the lack of politics. As Ivey once said, the only color poker sees is green

Had my first session yesterday w Mr. Roe. I was really thrilled with it tbh, I'll definitely write about my experiences w him as I get further into it

GL OP—subbed

Appreciate that and welcome aboard!

Having a pretty damn productive week overall, making a vlog is also kind of fun; it might go public in the future so trying to make it not absolutely cringey.

Went lifting yday for the first time in 7 months and started w squats. Was pretty brutal on top of the mask but we got through it, nice to have that post high lift and even some sore muscles in the morning.

Other than that, it's the same old same old. I bought a Oura ring yday also since sleep is definitely a pretty big life leak for me.

It's always nice to read your updates! Which kind of work are you doing with the friend you're studying with? Gl with everything!

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on the ring

Week 41: October 5th-October 11th

1.) 41.76 hours dedicated to Poker Yearly Goal: 1376.23/1800

2.) 3 hours Mental Game Yearly Goal: 36.21/75

3. 3 hours of Fitness Yearly Goal:85.88/200


Did a lot of work between playing/studying/vlogging. Month is going quite poorly as I've especially got hammered last few days.

I played Polk today HU which is kinda cool. I lost but tbh did not play anywhere near my best game, lots of month left to go to turn it around!

What'd you think about polks game?

this is such an insightful and interesting blog. the hands are great and the honesty is refreshing. keep crushing and best of luck to you.

the fans want some 5knl hu hhs!!

Hard to give an accurate read over an 800 hand match. I'm not an elite HU player either but he's still good, but nowhere near the top guys now imo

Thanks, really appreciate this compliment

I guess I can do this Since Doug is re-retiring in like a month I don't mind sharing a few HH's I suppose come next update

Week 42: October 12th-October 18th

1.) 36.12 hours dedicated to Poker Yearly Goal:1412.35/1800

2.) 1 hour Mental Game Yearly Goal: 37.21/75

3.) 1 hour of Fitness Yearly Goal: 86.88/200

Despite the 36 hours, I didn't play almost any poker this week. Only about 6 hours, however it was a fairly action packed 6 hours. I spent the majority of my time coaching/studying and editing my vlog for BTS. Love making content for the students but I def regret having spent the amount of time I did to make it, was not the most efficient use of my time (I'm still not done, although just about wrapped). I only have myself to blame though, especially since I was a media production major in college and I had 10 hour days in the editing bays.

Other than that, I've been fairly busy on the off table stuff w poker.

Through the Gauntlet

I only played about 6 hours but the majority of it was a few HU matches against

-Ali Imisrovic
-Doug Polk
-Jake Schindler (except he only played about 15 hands and hit n run me )
-Daniel Negreanu



Obviously swings are swingy but it was alot of fun, and again kinda surreal being in that position compared to where I was even 1.5 years ago. Anyway I did have a solid winning week which helped a pretty shittt start to the month.

Also fairly interesting to note I may be one of the only people on earth who has played both Doug and Daniel before there big match Both guys have been nice and friendly w me so I'm just hoping to see an entertaining match.

HH of the Week

Since it's unlikely I'll ever play Doug again after he sets sail to retirement, here's a few hands from our session. Won't go into my thought process but discuss away as I don't think the hands are played perfectly

1.) 200bb eff, Doug opens, I 3b, Doug 4b 3x (30bb), I call.

Flop: check, doug bets 20%. call.

Turn: check, doug bets 50%, call.

River: check, doug bets 60ish %, call.



2.) I open, doug defends

Flop: I bet 33%, doug x/r small, I defend

Turn: Doug bets 2x pot, I defend.

River: Doug jams about 150% pot, I call




3.) Doug opens, I defend.

Flop: x, dougs bets 33%, I call

Turn: x, doug bet 150%, I call

River: x, doug bets 3x pot all in, I call

Nice hands, ty for sharing!

How hum, just sitting with hu end bosses. Incredible stuff man.

Thanks, Have gotten a lot better but still would get crushed by the best of the best, long ways to go but we're getting better.

Week 43: October 19th-October 25th

1. 14.5 hours dedicated to Poker Yearly Goal: 1426.85/1800

2. 0 hours of meditation Yearly Goal:37.21/75

3. 2 hours of Fitnesss Yearly Goal: 88.88/200

It was a planned light week, it was another swingy challenging week overall but definitely been having a lot of fun playing. Most of poker work was reviewing/coachings, other than that just doing a lot of real life tasks around the house that took up a bunch of my time.

Played so few hands I honestly have so few to share.

Enjoyed my day by watching the Jets continue to tank and winning a miracle fantasy win thanks to Kyler Murray.

Hope everyone's staying good out there!

Hey bb watched ur podcast the other day on yt it was funny hehe, so ur a numbers analyst (:

I was wondering if i could get some coaching/reviews pmed u

U play the NJCOOP/PACOOP?

I dont understand #2 so much and think it is really interesting. I think he has so few bluff combos here that even though value is so narrow and way ahead and he could be creating tons of nonstandard/uncommon bluffs it does not seem like he is bluffing at all.

#3 again value for him is so narrow that however this seems like a really easy spot to bluff catch however.

Week 44-45: October 26th-November 8th

1.) 53.47 hours dedicated to Poker Yearly Goal:1480.32/1800

2.) .5 hours of Mental Health Yearly Goal: 37.21/75

3.) 5.25 hours of Fitness Yearly Goal: 94.13/200

Calling it an early week, as I plan to be gone this upcoming weekend. Having been mostly home for 8 months straight mostly in quarantine, me and the wife are taking a spa/resort trip for the weekend to kinda get away from everything and spend some nice quality time together.

It couldn't come at a better time as I just wrapped up worst financial week of my career. There's a building frustration in general although I still think I'm playing reasonable. I'm definitely getting triggered by the grimming/ ridiculous table camping on a daily basis. These are outside of my control though so thankfully have another session w Elliot coming up.

Will get back at it Monday and try to crawl myself out of a fairly big November hole.

Some hands where I blast off...

1.) bit too much

PartyGaming - $50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 204.21 BB
BB: 107.47 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 4

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) Q J K
BB checks, Hero bets 4.99 BB, BB calls 4.99 BB

Turn: (14.98 BB, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets 17.5 BB, BB calls 17.5 BB

River: (49.98 BB, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets 179.22 BB and is all-in, BB calls 82.48 BB and is all-in

BB shows K 9 (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 71%, Flop 59%, Turn 76%)
Hero shows 9 4 (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 29%, Flop 41%, Turn 24%)
Hero wins 96.74 BB
BB wins 214.93 BB


2.) Deja Vu

PartyGaming - $50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 216.94 BB
Hero (SB): 116.39 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 3

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) J K Q
BB checks, Hero bets 5.5 BB, BB calls 5.5 BB

Turn: (16 BB, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets 19 BB, BB calls 19 BB

River: (54 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets 89.39 BB and is all-in, BB calls 89.39 BB

BB shows 4 K (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
(Pre 65%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)
Hero mucks 9 3 (High Card, King)
(Pre 35%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)
BB wins 232.77 BB


3.) RIP

PartyGaming - $50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 107 BB
Hero (SB): 212.97 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K T

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BB raises to 10.5 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, BB calls 14.5 BB

Flop: (50 BB, 2 players) 2 9 8
BB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, BB calls 13 BB

Turn: (76 BB, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets 19.5 BB, BB calls 19.5 BB

River: (115 BB, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets 53 BB, BB calls 49.5 BB and is all-in

Hero shows K T (High Card, King)
(Pre 59%, Flop 52%, Turn 32%)
BB shows 8 7 (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 41%, Flop 48%, Turn 68%)
Hero wins 3.5 BB
BB wins 213.99 BB

Week 46: November 9th-November 15th

1.) 40.26 hours dedicated to poker Yearly Goal:1520.58/1800

2.) 1.5 hours of Mental Health Yearly Goal: 38.71/75

3.) 6.33 hours of Fitness Yearly Goal: 100.46/200


Overall, was really pleased with my overall productivity on the week, worked 6 days on the week and got some real life stuff done as well. It was a nice bounceback after a rough 1st week.

Results have been a bit of a slog last 80k hands but I think a lot of it is just normal variance as I feel like I've improved more the past 3 months than maybe anyother point in my career. Have about 1.5 months left in this year, so looking to end strong before I enjoy a nice vacation in Jamaica.

What sets your coaching stable/group higher than the other groups out there?