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Old 12-05-2018, 08:24 AM   #926
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

And yeah just call the AQ hand we are likely ahead and have the nut draw on an otherwise static board. There are no bad turns or rivers beside some runner runner combos and raising I think we might get some dominated flush draws to give up, plus gutshots and worse QX and underpairs. And do we keep betting on blank turns and rivers? If someone calls and shoves a brick turn or river it massively sucks.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:48 PM   #927
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Blind flips are fine for the reasons you stated but they are also game breakers. I've been in many games that have broken due to blind flips. The reason being that most people that want to blind flip are doing so to get back to even or be put out of their misery. I've been at the table where it was one player's last hand so he wanted to blind flip. 2 players obliged, and he stacked both of them so now instead of being down 1 player, we were down 3 players.

I'm actually undefeated in blind flips and am 4-1 in sweating blind flips, so I'm not against them but they definitely break games.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:32 PM   #928
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Yea the more I think about the AQs band the more I feel like it’s a flat. I don’t think I thought it through properly in real time.

Pio has QQ no heart as like 70% check 30% bet against his obscenely wide range on that board. I assumed it was going to be 70% bet 30% check so I was slightly mistaken in real time. Against someone who is floating with like A3hh on KT5 ddc then firing pot on a 3 river I don’t mind going for some value or getting some folds on that board. We can’t really pot control OOP anyway since he can make sure a bet goes in on any street. I’m curious if Pio checks at a higher frequency IP.

I know it’s a game killer but they are regs here and I didn’t want to be the guy that kills their fun. There are also some big private games here that I might want to eventually get it on so I don’t want to be the wet blanket guy. it was also 3:30 a.m and the room closes at 3:45 a.m. anyway.

I don’t typically do blind flips but I know what you are saying Shai, usually one of the pros does take them up on their offer for this reason. I have joined in on quite a few $50 bomb pots etc though.

Also an interesting development, my room started spreading short deck yesterday and it’s also going today...I wonder if it’s worth learning, I could study it and be a pretty big edge.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:49 PM   #929
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Blind flips are fine for the reasons you stated but they are also game breakers. I've been in many games that have broken due to blind flips. The reason being that most people that want to blind flip are doing so to get back to even or be put out of their misery. I've been at the table where it was one player's last hand so he wanted to blind flip. 2 players obliged, and he stacked both of them so now instead of being down 1 player, we were down 3 players.

I'm actually undefeated in blind flips and am 4-1 in sweating blind flips, so I'm not against them but they definitely break games.
Yeah I can see that. I wouldn't do it at a table with fewer than 8 players.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:58 PM   #930
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It was just a matter of time. Your room spreads all kinds of weird holdem variants. I'd say play it if the stakes are decent assuming you know the rules. I figure a lot of fish would be confused by flushes beating full houses and trips beating straights etc. So it might be good for a while.

But...long run games like this are bad for NLHE as equities run closer together and it'sa simpler game mathematically. Once people get the basics down I figure your edge in short deck would be smaller.
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:04 AM   #931
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5 hours played up $800 today. 2/5 game was bad late night and there was no 1/3 running so I left early. Not too many interesting decisions. I had one huge suckout where I had KK v AA v JJ all in pre for $450 each in a straddled pot. I also had one decision where I didn't table my hand against a reg pro so I'm not going to go into it. Other than that I bricked literally every flop multiway with the exception of two hands, nothing too exciting:

H1: 88 flops an overpair

Three limps, I overlimped 88 MP due to the table dynamics (two of the three EP players who limped were very LRR heavy and players behind me were whales/maniacs. We take a 5 way flop.

pot:25

643r

Whale leads $30, pro flats, I raise to $120, whale calls, pro folds.

I know pro very well, he is going to be very capped here, whale is uncapped so if I run into a big hand that sucks but this hand is ahead of too much of his range and plays too poorly multiway to not raise.

Pot: $265

Turn: A

x, H$175, v calls.

River 9.
xx

I table my hand and scoop.

H2: Unexpected line from V

Limp, hero opens KJhh to $25 in the HJ, button, sb and limper call.

pot:100

flop Q86r one heart

xxxx

Turn Kr
xx, H$65, button calls, sb raises to $225 with 200 behind. Fold, h folds, button folds.

I ask v what he has and he tables 88.
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:17 PM   #932
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

How often are they running short deck? I’ve been wanting to try it out.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:33 AM   #933
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So far just twice, it's looking like it might not be a regular thing. I'll keep you posted.

Today went poorly yet again, down about $800, basically lost every hand, once I made top pair in a single raised pot and took it down on the flop. Here was where most of the money went:

V1 covers
H$650
BB$130

Whale limps, H opens KhKd to $30 in the sb, whale calls the BB and limper calls.


Flop: 457 two hearts.

X, $50, call, H$225, call , call.

Turn ts

H shoves, V1 calls.

River is a heart.

V1 shows A2hh

In another hand tonight v1 limp called $100 against me with A3o and hit the flop against my JJ.

I also made a pretty terrible call for $75 in another hand, not always thinking things through clearly right now.

Didn't play too much today, just feel like I needed a break. I'm getting too frustrated by the poor results recently, going to try to start over tomorrow.

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Old 12-07-2018, 01:39 PM   #934
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

Your up/down mindset following results perfectly emulates the main struggle people go through in live poker. Not nagging, I had it too. Matt Moore’s thread starts out very similarly.

*winning session* “really feel like I’m playing my A-game and the results are showing, poker is fun!”

*losing session* “man these whales run so pure. Also probably not playing well. Poker sucks!”

I honestly can’t give you advice on how to get through it...only that these emotional swings went away for me when I went back to work. (Which I believe indicates that the tremendous pressure to constantly earn would be the main contributing factor).
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:49 PM   #935
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Thanks, I really appreciate the input and it’s always helpful to know that you aren’t alone.

I have been trying to look on the bright side today and there are some positives. I am doing much better now than when I went through this same stretch of luck December last year when I went out to LA and got absolutely smashed playing at the Commerce.

There is also a lot more I can be doing to help myself get through this. Exercising more, eating better, doing mindfulness, and reading through books and doing mental game exercises are all things I can be doing more of. I’m lucky enough to have a supportive SO who is also in the mental health field and she’s been giving me some tips to help out. I’m going to spend the next week or two playing mostly 1/3 while I work on developing better habits and studying some spots that I know I need to work on.

The other thing is, I’ve taken a big step up in stakes recently and that’s just going to be an adjustment. The 2/5 games I’ve been playing in have often, probably usually, been straddled and double straddled for most of the night. I’m often making it $100 preflop over limps or limp reraising to $200-300, that’s a bit different from what I’m used to.

At the end of the day, I’ve really enjoyed the last 5 months playing poker full time and I’ve made a somewhat respectable salary so far. I haven’t added up the results recently, but I would guess my results in the last 5 months put me on pace to make somewhere in the ballpark of 70k/yr.

I was writing this while waiting for my game and I’ve just been seated. Going to go into tonight with a good attitude and hope for the best.
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:21 PM   #936
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Does she coach? Lol
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Old 12-08-2018, 04:48 AM   #937
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PhD in clinical psychology so close enough.

6 hours played up about $600 today. The goal wasn't to win, the goal was to play entirely tilt/frustration free which I accomplished. Somehow one 2/5 game ended up with all of the pros and decent recs and the other was the G.O.A.T. 2/5 game. Plan was to mostly play 1/3 but this game was 6-7 handed with all of the room's worst recs and not one other pro.

Was super card dead for the first two hours. Limped behind some small pairs and didn't hit sets. Played two raised pots:

H opens Q8s in the CO, BB calls. K88r x, bet, fold.

H opens AK, BB flats. BB is the guy who donked the A3o against me for pot when he hit a 3 on the river.

QJ8r

xx

Turn A

V $25, h calls

River 9 bd flush misses

V $145, H folds. I tell him nice hand and he shows JJ.

Things start to pick up a bit:

h1: KK holds

H is the effective stack with $650

Button straddles, HJ double straddles. Folds to CO who raises to $80, folds to me UTG with KsKc. There is one nit on my left and the HJ who is a huge whale left to act. I don't know a ton about CO, seems like a pretty bad rec.

I usually 3 bet in these spots but decided on flat since I have a rock image, SPR will be low no matter what, and HJ is going to play really poorly post-flop. I call and HJ calls.

pot:240

J64 two hearts.

XX, $100, H $300, HJ fold rec calls. Turn is an offsuit T, I jam he calls. River is a Q.

I show and he goes to muck. As he goes to muck I see a black 9 flip over.

h2: Hero doesn't raise the flop.

7 handed whale MP straddles. Hero is $1300 effective.

Very fun player limps BB, I raise to $30 UTG with A5hh, +1 calls, straddle calls and BB calls.

pot:120

flop: A64r dhs

BB, who I have a ton of history with, leads out for $40, I flat, everyone else folds. His lead range is basically anything from AK to K4o to 66. No he doesn't raise AK pre. I would expect to see hands like 56s or AT more than 66 or K4o but anything is possible here.

Turn 3d

V $40, h calls.

River 5c

V$50, h calls. V shows 67o for the flopped middle pair and the rivered straight lol. I don't know if I should have raised flop or turn. Ugh, river is the one card that makes his hand and gets him paid.

H3: Hero raises the flop.

v1, the guy from h1, opens to $25, v2 from h2 flats, I flat QJcc in the CO.

flop:Jh9c4h

pot: $75

V1 $30, v2 call, I raise to $110 and both fold. V2 shows me AKo before folding. I didn't think v1 had anything strong for that sizing and wanted to get value from v2 hence the non-standard raise.

Other than that nothing of note happened, was pretty card dead/flop dead. A good lag pro and tag rec sat down on my direct left and one of the whales left so I decided to lock up the win and move down to 1/3.

1/3 went poorly, gave about $400 back. I lost every hand for two hours straight in a very soft game. Missed a bunch of flops and then in my last hand I ran AA into 56 on 234 and got stacked by a whale for $200. No getting away from it since this was a guy who went bet bet bet/call against the oldest man coffee with Tc2d on T63hhh-A-2h. This was the same OMC who is so tight I folded KK against him pre for less than 100 bb's.

Game was obviously still good at that point, but I was on the verge of getting too frustrated so I decided I would rather just leave happy and call it a night.

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Old 12-08-2018, 10:40 PM   #938
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The 2/5 was dead so I left and it and broke, the 1/3 was dead, another pro/friend of mine proposed we play 1/3 crazy pineapple and we actually got a full table going. Never played before but half the people in the lineup have also never played before and it’s a soft lineup so gamboool time. Wish me luck.

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Old 12-09-2018, 02:05 AM   #939
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So far down $100 at 1/3 and 2/5 NLHE and.... up $730 at 1/3 crazy pineapple! Game just broke unfortunately but it was a fun time.
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Old 12-09-2018, 12:49 PM   #940
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So far down $100 at 1/3 and 2/5 NLHE and.... up $730 at 1/3 crazy pineapple! Game just broke unfortunately but it was a fun time.
I love me some crazy pineapple. Was it pot limit or NL?
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Old 12-09-2018, 04:54 PM   #941
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No limit. Yea it was fun as hell. I would like to see if we could make it some kind of semi-regular game, maybe pick out one day a week where we spread either that or short deck or something. I’m not super optimistic but it’s possible. It was definitely nice to change it up and play something different.

It also made me want to learn some PLO but it’s too bad there isn’t a 1-2 PLO game at the Hard Rock. I could learn online and then take a couple buy in shot at the 5/5 I guess. I also still have a few major leaks in my NL game I need to work on.

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Old 12-10-2018, 12:16 AM   #942
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A reg at THR told me they are trying to get a pineapple game going on Mondays at 11:00 a.m.

I might check it out tomorrow. Its 5/5 pot limit and it's pineapple instead of crazy pineapple (discard before flop).
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Old 12-10-2018, 01:40 AM   #943
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No limit. Yea it was fun as hell. I would like to see if we could make it some kind of semi-regular game, maybe pick out one day a week where we spread either that or short deck or something. I’m not super optimistic but it’s possible. It was definitely nice to change it up and play something different.

It also made me want to learn some PLO but it’s too bad there isn’t a 1-2 PLO game at the Hard Rock. I could learn online and then take a couple buy in shot at the 5/5 I guess. I also still have a few major leaks in my NL game I need to work on.
They occasionally run a 2/2 PLO but it plays really deep. There's a $5 bring-in and max BI is $500 (or $600?) so it plays more like a loose 2/5 NL. The 5/5 PLO has a more standard structure but the nature of PLO I figure you need about 5x as much bankroll compared to NLHE, particularly if you're still trying to figure it out like I am. Which is why I don't play it. I'm just going to jump in when the game looks good after my roll has recovered a bit more, hope I run good. The 2/5 NL at Hard Rock is sometimes awesome but often there isn't one good table and it would be really helpful if I could just switch it up and go play PLO when there are no good 2/5 games.

That's what the best players in the room do. They play mostly NLHE but will sit down at a NLHE table and if it looks ****ty just get up and go play PLO. I feel like the ability to switch between games on demand is really important for maximizing long term profits.
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Old 12-11-2018, 03:28 AM   #944
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Played well today but finished down $30 after 3.5 hours. Just continuing to get sucked out on and miss flops. I may have misplayed this one hand though, I’m honestly confused about what happened.

2 limps, including V who limped EP and I open KJhh to $18 in the BB and first limper calls. I saw him make one bluff raise when he was short stacked and I just sat down but since then rebuying he has just been loose passive.

Flop Kd8c3s.

Xx.

Turn 9c.

H $25, V tanks for a super long time, like at least a minute and acts like he wants to fold but then calls. It was very bizarre facing such a small bet. He said something along the lines of “I haven’t seen you play any hands yet” implying that I must have a good hand here.

River Qd.

Pot$83

This is probably a check/decide spot but I bet $35 and he basically snap raises to about $100.

I decided to fold.

I just don’t understand what hands he tank calls the turn with that snap bluff river. Who tanks with a flush draw for 60 seconds or more there? Maybe he could have 67? Value also doesn’t make a ton of sense but I guess it’s more likely. I asked him about it later and he said he had QQ...that seems unlikely but another set that he slowplayed seems possible. Does a hand like Q8 or Q9 really snap raise there if he thinks I’m so tight that he needed to tank call with a pair on the turn? I’m guessing he had a big hand and was hollywooding on the turn but I don’t know.

Other than that I played every hand pretty standard. I maybe a little out of line with one triple barrel but I picked up equity on the turn and I think I picked the right V and got it through. I limped behind with 98ss in the HJ and bet a 642 dds board 4 ways when checked to for $12 into $12. I got called in two spots. Turn was an offsuit 7. Checks to me, I bet $40, and get one call from BB. BB interestingly also super tank called the turn. River is an offsuit 2. I bet $85 and get the snap fold so I’m guessing he had diamonds or maybe something like A3.

Made a pretty easy fold with KK no flush draw facing a huge donk 3 ways on a 953 monotone board and the guy had 33.

The only other possible decision I had was in a pot where MP straddled two people limped I opened KsKx to $30 and it went 4 ways with one guy all in for $27. I’m OOP to the field.

One V is $200 effective the other $300.

Flop As8s3s.

Pot$115.

I decided to check. V from the KJ hand who is $300 effective bets $30, fold, I call.

Turn and river are bricks and I lose to A7.

I could have turned my hand into a bluff but it didn’t seem like a great spot for it.

Today was supposed to be an off day so it’s fine that I went light on the volume but tomorrow I’m going to just have to play a lot regardless of if I’m running good or bad.
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I did catch one lucky break... I think. I opened KTs from +2 Bb calls. Board was something like K62r-9-7.

Flop was xx. I would bet my big Kx like AK IP but I thought this was a good board/combo to check back. I do play with this guy a decent amount. V bet 15 into 30 on the turn and I called. River he checked, I bet $35 and he called and I was good.

He told me about 5-10 minutes later that he rivered two pair but didn’t realize it until after he mucked. He had 67 and was just focused on if his 6 was good. I guess he could be lying but it seems like a weird thing to be lying about.

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Old 12-11-2018, 08:59 AM   #946
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Played well today but finished down $30 after 3.5 hours. Just continuing to get sucked out on and miss flops. I may have misplayed this one hand though, Iím honestly confused about what happened.

2 limps, including V who limped EP and I open KJhh to $18 in the BB and first limper calls. I saw him make one bluff raise when he was short stacked and I just sat down but since then rebuying he has just been loose passive.

Flop Kd8c3s.

Xx.

Turn 9c.

H $25, V tanks for a super long time, like at least a minute and acts like he wants to fold but then calls. It was very bizarre facing such a small bet. He said something along the lines of ďI havenít seen you play any hands yetĒ implying that I must have a good hand here.

River Qd.

Pot$83

This is probably a check/decide spot but I bet $35 and he basically snap raises to about $100.

I decided to fold.

I just donít understand what hands he tank calls the turn with that snap bluff river. Who tanks with a flush draw for 60 seconds or more there? Maybe he could have 67? Value also doesnít make a ton of sense but I guess itís more likely. I asked him about it later and he said he had QQ...that seems unlikely but another set that he slowplayed seems possible. Does a hand like Q8 or Q9 really snap raise there if he thinks Iím so tight that he needed to tank call with a pair on the turn? Iím guessing he had a big hand and was hollywooding on the turn but I donít know.
He's either slowplaying a set OTT then spazzes and snap raises when the straight comes in, or genuinely mulling over whether to raise a hand like JTcc or 76cc that he ultimately decides just to call with. QQ makes sense if he's the type to limp/call it but that's a little unusual. People tell the truth about their hands more than they lie though.

Question: are you always raising hands like KJs QJs ATs in the BB after multiple limps? I think I would just check unless I thought there was a high chance both players fold. What do you do with KJo here? I'm definitely checking KJo.

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Other than that I played every hand pretty standard. I maybe a little out of line with one triple barrel but I picked up equity on the turn and I think I picked the right V and got it through. I limped behind with 98ss in the HJ and bet a 642 dds board 4 ways when checked to for $12 into $12. I got called in two spots. Turn was an offsuit 7. Checks to me, I bet $40, and get one call from BB. BB interestingly also super tank called the turn. River is an offsuit 2. I bet $85 and get the snap fold so Iím guessing he had diamonds or maybe something like A3.
I probably raise pre in the HJ but I like the triple barrel. You can bet really small on the river though. On 64272 he isn't folding a 7 or better. Might fold a 6. But most of his range we are targeting is really weak pairs and busted draws. You can get the same result betting like 40 to 50 IMO.

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The only other possible decision I had was in a pot where MP straddled two people limped I opened KsKx to $30 and it went 4 ways with one guy all in for $27. Iím OOP to the field.

One V is $200 effective the other $300.

Flop As8s3s.

Pot$115.

I decided to check. V from the KJ hand who is $300 effective bets $30, fold, I call.

Turn and river are bricks and I lose to A7.
A small donk bet here is almost always a weak ace or the NFD. You have the NFD so U would guess he has AX like 90% of the time. And on a monotone flop we can get all but the stickiest players to fold. I would x/r to ~90 and shove the turn if he calls. Alternatively we can just rip it in. It is really hard for AX to call here without a spade and all he can really have are the 2s, 4s, 5s, 6s, 7s, 9s, and maybe Ts / Js at a lower frequency. So if he has AX it is about 7/46 = 15% he has Xs. Probably less as I think AXxs either donks bigger or x/r some percentage. So a shove will usually get through if your image is clean and if called you have 10 or 11 outs twice.

The more I think about it the more I prefer shoving, as we don't need much fold equity at all to be super profitable.

Why do you think it's a bad spot to bluff? A guy with AX no spade is not too happy if he gets checkraised here. That's the purpose of his little probe bet, to "see where he's at". Let him see he's crushed. Guys making probe bets are preparing to give up on the hand. They're saying "please don't raise please don't raise please don't raise" so I honestly might raise ATC here.
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Old 12-11-2018, 06:02 PM   #947
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Thanks for the help Shai.

Depends who the limpers are but I’m usually raising KJs against two rec limpers. . KJo I wouldn’t typically raise.

Yea in my head I thought I only needed to bet small...but then I bet on the bigger side anyway...kind of a brain fart.

It wasn’t a donk bet, I had raised out of the BB and already checked. It is admittedly a probe bet though and similar in nature. I thought it was a bad bluff spot to try to get this guy to fold an A with $120 in the middle and only $270 behind.

In hindsight, you are right that he doesn’t have that much Ax with a spade and he does think I have a nit image. I’ll try to break this down later to figure out what assumptions I need to make for shove to be more profitable than call. I think from time to time I do miss out on some profitable bluff spots.
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Old 12-11-2018, 08:34 PM   #948
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If that 2/2 plo goes regularly I would highly recommend learning plo. My 1/3 (also a $5 bring in) probably has a similar winrate as 5/10 NL. There are occasionally 5 figure pots. Not exaggerating.
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Was finally off to a decent start at 2/5 then had the following hand: I’m the effective stack with $650, spewtard whale straddles button, limp, I limp KK in the BB 2-3 more limps, whale makes it $125, I raise to $325, now a guy who plays fairly nitty jams the CO and there whale folds. The stupid thing is I need something like 22% to call off and against KK+ which I have. I call. He has AA and I don’t get there.

Still no real decisions this session. Made some pretty easy folds correctly with QQ/KK/JJ multiway on ace high board against nits and every time they had it.

The only hand I had a real decision on is my first hand at the table. As I was sitting down I saw HJ table K4o otb I think against AK on a A48-4-2 board so I assumed it was raised pre.

V straddles LJ Hj folds, CO tag/lag pro $30 H $90 otb, straddle says “I’m gonna get me some of that” and calls and pro folds.

Flop J44 two diamonds.

Pot:$210

V checks, I decided to continue for $65 and he folded. I thought it was close between bet small and check. Turns out he’s super bluffy but I didn’t know that at the time. My sizing still left plenty of room for him to float or bluff but he didn’t go for it.

I actually did have one other decision where I got a bluff through but can’t really go into the hand details.

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Old 12-12-2018, 02:42 AM   #950
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If that 2/2 plo goes regularly I would highly recommend learning plo. My 1/3 (also a $5 bring in) probably has a similar winrate as 5/10 NL. There are occasionally 5 figure pots. Not exaggerating.
There is a room nearby that runs 1/2/5 PLO once a week so that’s always an option. I don’t see the 2/2 running super often at the Hard Rock on Bravo but I’ll keep my eye open for the next week or so and keep track. That 5/5 game does run pretty often but I don’t know how tough it is.

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