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Old 09-09-2017, 12:55 PM   #26
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

Days 12-17

Currently away so no poker until Monday. I'm with my wife's family who don't know I'm playing poker so this could get interesting.

I've actually been able to make myself study while away so that's been good. I went over some of the hands I played and tried to figure out roughly where I was at in my range. It's not that I want to play GTO live, but I think it's helpful to know roughly what GTO would dictate in a certain spot and then not deviate too far without a solid history on villain.

Played some 5NL and heads up sit n gos during the flight and drive and did fairly well. I actually really enjoy heads up sit n gos. I would like to study them and play higher stakes but I don't know how much that would be useful for when I play full ring.
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Old 09-13-2017, 09:34 PM   #27
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Day 20: I'm back after some time off, was out of town and couldn't play. Actually got some studying done while away so that was good at least.

Results:8 hours played up 177. 1/2 live.

Ran really bad but game was full of whales and lots of straddles.

BBV:

Lost a fairly big pot which went all in on the flop where I had JJ against A6 of spades on 9T4 one spade flop. lol variance. I did get it in with AQhh on Q46 two clubs one heart and got a hold vs 58cc so that was nice.

Interesting preflop spot:

Played one interesting preflop only hand where there was a whale in the straddle and I had 99 in the sb. He was raising 100 percent of straddles. Action was limp, limp, I limp with the plan to LRR BB limps and straddle raises to 12, call call I raise to 60 and take it down. The other villains had about 100-200 I had 400 and straddle villain covered. I think there is a reasonable argument for raising the first time or flatting the second time but I like my line.

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Old 09-14-2017, 01:26 AM   #28
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

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Days 12-17

Currently away so no poker until Monday. I'm with my wife's family who don't know I'm playing poker so this could get interesting.

I've actually been able to make myself study while away so that's been good. I went over some of the hands I played and tried to figure out roughly where I was at in my range. It's not that I want to play GTO live, but I think it's helpful to know roughly what GTO would dictate in a certain spot and then not deviate too far without a solid history on villain.

Played some 5NL and heads up sit n gos during the flight and drive and did fairly well. I actually really enjoy heads up sit n gos. I would like to study them and play higher stakes but I don't know how much that would be useful for when I play full ring.
HU SNGs are awesome. Half of my time pre back friday was playing HU. Probably the best way to get good at ranging people and adjusting b/c you can focus on just 1 villain and play significantly more hands with them than you ever would in a ring game.
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Old 09-15-2017, 11:54 PM   #29
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Day 22 5.5 hours down 195

Nothing interesting, pure bad beats from the session which is particularly unfortunate cause I took another shot at 2/5 and the first of the challenge

This hand pretty much sums up the session:
2/5

Hero opens AsAc utg to 20. Call call.
Flop:J45 two hearts. Or maybe J56 two hearts, it was one of the two.

Hero bets 45, call, jam for 160, I call other guy folds.

Turn 7, river 9. Villain shows 97 of spades.

Also managed to lose KK v KQ for a huge pot when we got it in overpair vs FD.
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Old 09-18-2017, 12:27 AM   #30
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Day 24: So far 8 hours up 630

Had some interesting hands today. Hit some big hands OOP and had to make a frustrating lay down with aces.

Hand 1: top set.

Old passive guy opens to 8, loose passive rec calls, agro rec station calls in the sb I call with 66 in the BB

Flop 653 two clubs.

Opted to lead, got two calls. Bet an 8 turn and only older guy called. Bet 2 river and older guy called. Was hoping for a raise by the older guy or the agro red on the flop by didn't get it. Still worked out really welll.

Hand 2: 66 is hot.

Hero limps EP with 66, slightly agro rec raises to 10, decent rec calls, station calls, I call with 66.

Flop 67Kr.

Hero checks, agro rec bets 27, decent rec flats I raise to 75, agro rec jams with AK for like 240 and I call. 66 holds.

Board is dry enough that I would often play this as a call but I thought he would stack off with AK here and would've raised more pre with KK as he had in the past. As long as he didn't have 77 I was good. I do think he has some bluffs on this board but while he's aggressive he wasn't wild so once he gets called in two spots he would probably shut down. Heads up I would be more likely to flat I think. It's still tough though cause there are a lot of turns that he wouldn't like to see with AK.

Hand 3: sigh folding aces.

Older guy limps, a few more limps, I raise to 17 in the BB with AcAs and get 3 calls.

Flop QJ5 two clubs. I bet 35 two calls including old guy and loose passive fish.

Turn is an offsuit 3. I check older guy checks and passive fish checks. I was planning on folding to older guy but passive fish has a queen or random two cards often here so I call.
River is an offsuit jack. I check. Older guy bets fairly big and we both fold.

Hopefully I didn't butcher the hand by checking turn but the older guy had shown he likes to trap in other hands. He could've also just had kj/aj and gotten there. I also saw him limp 10's from EP earlier so he could have quads or QQ in his range potentially.

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Old 09-20-2017, 02:04 PM   #31
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Major Update: Going to LA

Wife is going to be very busy and traveling the country on interviews so figured it's a good time to go. From mid October until mid December I'm going to be living near the commerce casino in LA.

This will really help me figure out if poker is for me. Without an insane commute getting in the way, I'll find out if I can work the hours, put in the studying, and get a more accurate idea about my winrate
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Old 09-20-2017, 02:20 PM   #32
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Incoming BBV whiny post:

Just running awful lately. Have to be at least 1,500 below all in EV in my last 5 sessions. I've been getting lucky in that I've had some soft tables otherwise this month would be a disaster.

Finished day 24 9.5 hours up 557
Day 25 off
Day 26: down 450 after 4 hours. Got it in with a combo draw and 55 percent equity vs QQ and lost a 800 dollar pot.

Day. 27: down 100 so far after 2 hours

Challenge results: up roughly 1600 after 96 hours for 16.60/hour.
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:54 PM   #33
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

Dont think i lead the 66 on the 653 bc we have great relative position vs the pfr and this is a situation where alot of dead money can be created (when he bets and gets callers)

I get wanting to lead this texture specifically bc we dont really want a check through and we can also induce but yea dead money spots are one of those things no one gets in live poker as huge potential for face up "tricks". Theres so much money to be made.

I lead in spots where we can create dead money in the opposite way. Example is the pfr otb and us in the sb.

Limp, limp, limp, face up tag otb $15, hero sb call $15, call, call, call.

Flop A56hh. Id def lead this with 66.

We create dead money in between us and the pfr and also often induce the pfr.

If you have any specific questions about going pro I can answer with my limited experience of <1 year. Cliffs, dont.
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Old 09-20-2017, 09:51 PM   #34
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Dont think i lead the 66 on the 653 bc we have great relative position vs the pfr and this is a situation where alot of dead money can be created (when he bets and gets callers)

I get wanting to lead this texture specifically bc we dont really want a check through and we can also induce but yea dead money spots are one of those things no one gets in live poker as huge potential for face up "tricks". Theres so much money to be made.

I lead in spots where we can create dead money in the opposite way. Example is the pfr otb and us in the sb.

Limp, limp, limp, face up tag otb $15, hero sb call $15, call, call, call.

Flop A56hh. Id def lead this with 66.

We create dead money in between us and the pfr and also often induce the pfr.

If you have any specific questions about going pro I can answer with my limited experience of <1 year. Cliffs, dont.
The dead money argument is a good one and one I didn't give adequate weight in real time.

I'd love to hear more about your experience playing. Why did you give it up?
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Old 09-21-2017, 10:37 AM   #35
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

subbed/gl - going pro playing 1/2 is a pretty tough task, hopefully you can run good/move up asap
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Old 09-21-2017, 11:13 AM   #36
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

Ignoring the abyss for a second:

If you've had time to skim or were a lurker it goes along with what dgaf and squidface constantly talk about. Its just a really bad atmosphere to be around long term, especially if you are intelligent.

People in poker rooms, on average, are less intelligent, angrier, scummier, dirtier people. This sounds jaded but Im not trying to be mean here...its kind of the same reason you dont look for a long term girlfriend at the club.

Ive been scammed, asked to collude (by one of the best/nicest players in the room), had hot soup sneezed on me (twice), had somone bleeding / still playing (multiple times), seen insane angles, had floors make insane rulings against me that cost me thousands, and listened to more donald trump / obama debates than my stressed heart can bear to remember.

Its just a bad place for a soul to be long term. I won $20k in my first ~200 hours, still the best heater Ive ever had, and i knew then that I wouldnt be playing long term. Its just such a depressing place to be in for 30+ hours a week.

Regarding the abyss:

Ive glimpsed it, and wish it on no one else. I dont know how anyone with poker as their sole income could make it through it. Just know that one day you will run worse than you ever thought possible.
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Old 09-22-2017, 12:37 AM   #37
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Just got into a really weird spot lol. Had the second nuts facing a bet and a raise for like 4x pot.

1/3 live:

Limp from decent rec player with a massive stack. I get the feeling he's willing to spew a bit now based on some hands he's played. Hero opens to 15 with TT, 60's AA male calls and rec player calls.

Flop:KQ9

Checks around.

Turn: 8

Checks around.

River J. Board: KQ98J. So not only do I have a straight and the second nuts, but I block the nuts pretty hard.

AA male leads for 35, rec players raises to 250. ....wtf. I feel like I'm probably going to have to sigh call here and deal with the variance. While I'm thinking the AA male announces all in at which point I fold. AA male had AT, don't know what the rec player had he called the extra 50 and mucked.

Actually finished day 27 up like 700 and up another 200 today's far so this trip to Milwaulke is going ok so far.

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Old 09-22-2017, 03:04 AM   #38
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Days 26-28

Day 26 was the first day of my trip up to Milwaulke and the trip did not have an auspicious beginning. Halfway through day 27 I was down 850 at which point I purchased "The Mental Game of Poker" because I realized I need to work on staying calm through run bad. I even made a comment cursing my luck which I hate myself for doing because it's just whiny, no one likes that guy, and it's bad for the game. I really try not to be that guy but I broke my own rule at which point I realized mental game has to be more of a focus for me.

After a couple bad beats I took a walk and after about 10 min I sat back down. Very first hand I get: bad rec player straddled, all fold, I flatted the BB with ATs knowing there is about a 1/3 chance he's going to jam, he jammed for roughly 40 BB's. Anytime he gets short stacked he basically does this wth any two suited and semi connected cards, 22+, offsuit broadway etc. I sigh called knowing I'm very often ahead here but hating the variance while already being way down. He showed JTo and sucked out. I then muttered something to the effect of "that's how I'm running today". It didn't help that this rec player is loud and annoying in general, it certainly added to the frustration.

Games have been pretty juicy (see above) so despite making way too many small mistakes (luckily avoiding the big ones) and running bad, I've dug myself out of the hole.

Days 26-28 results: 25 hours played, up 391.

Challenge results:121 hours played, up $1991.

Not as much money as I was hoping for at this point but truthfully I haven't put in the work needed on or off the table. I'm going to have to step it up and know that even if I can't control the results, I can control the effort I put in.

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Old 09-22-2017, 03:10 AM   #39
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Ignoring the abyss for a second:

If you've had time to skim or were a lurker it goes along with what dgaf and squidface constantly talk about. Its just a really bad atmosphere to be around long term, especially if you are intelligent.

People in poker rooms, on average, are less intelligent, angrier, scummier, dirtier people. This sounds jaded but Im not trying to be mean here...its kind of the same reason you dont look for a long term girlfriend at the club.

Ive been scammed, asked to collude (by one of the best/nicest players in the room), had hot soup sneezed on me (twice), had somone bleeding / still playing (multiple times), seen insane angles, had floors make insane rulings against me that cost me thousands, and listened to more donald trump / obama debates than my stressed heart can bear to remember.

Its just a bad place for a soul to be long term. I won $20k in my first ~200 hours, still the best heater Ive ever had, and i knew then that I wouldnt be playing long term. Its just such a depressing place to be in for 30+ hours a week.

Regarding the abyss:

Ive glimpsed it, and wish it on no one else. I dont know how anyone with poker as their sole income could make it through it. Just know that one day you will run worse than you ever thought possible.
Really interesting, thanks. I also checked out the DGAF thread after you mentioned his name and it's been a good read.

I've been talking about this career path with a close friend who is very bright and played professionally for a year between college and med school and he actually echoed most of what you said. He warned me that it's tough to show up to work everyday in an environment that's basically just full of ****ty and/or sad people.

Also...bleeding? What the hell was the story behind that?
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Old 09-22-2017, 03:18 AM   #40
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subbed/gl - going pro playing 1/2 is a pretty tough task, hopefully you can run good/move up asap
Yea I want to move up soon, I'm going to start mixing in a lot more 2/5 to push myself. My biggest problem is just getting used to losing that kind of money. I'm rolled for 2/5, but I just don't think I'm ready mentally to deal with like a 3k downswing.

Actually I'll be playing at the commerce soon so I guess I'll be doing the 3/5 200 cap game and mixing in the 5/5 300-500 buy in game.

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Old 09-23-2017, 04:38 AM   #41
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Day 29: 12.5 hours played up 383.

Man Friday night games are so much more fun than OMC mid day nit fests. Even when I was even tonight, just had a lot of fun playing which was nice, fun group of people at the table. I also did a better job at dealing with my emotions early in the session when I wasn't running great.

Hand of the day:
1/3

Rec player limps UTG ($300 stack), a few calls, I make it 25 with JJ in the SB. Two calls.

Flop: J96r

Pot:80

I check. Rec bets 50, fold, I opt to just call. Not too many scary turns if he has a big hand and if he's bluffing might as well let him bluff. I can get stacks in by raising turn.

Turn: A.

I check he checks it back...

Pot: 180

River T

I feel really torn between betting and checking. I don't think he's going to bet for thin value or bluff that often based on the way he had played but he wasn't a total nit and was a bit sporadic. The T does complete 78 and QK but I think that's a small part of his range.

I opt to bet really small, and bet 80 and he tank sigh calls with...KK. Still not sure if I like the bet, if I do like betting I don't know if I like that small of a sizing, but vs his exact holding it was perfect. It's a damn shame that I didn't check raise flop though.


Today's accomplishments:
Played a long session
Didn't tilt after some early bad beats
Was more social and tried to make the game more lively.
Pulled the trigger in high variance but +EV spots. I'm slowly conquering my inner nit.

Things to improve upon:

I definitely need to do a little better maintaining focus in long sessions, too many leaks today.

Need to go a little larger with some value bets and not lose track of pot size.
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Old 09-24-2017, 02:52 AM   #42
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Day 30: 7.5 hours played up $215. Was sleep deprived but successfully nitted it up and caught some hands.

Challenge results after 30 days:

141 hours played
$2,589 in profit
$18.36/hour
Roughly 6 bb/hour.

The encouraging thing about those results is I feel like I'm bad at poker and have so much to learn and have a ton of room to improve. if I can beat the game when half the time I'm just one level above clicking buttons, hopefully as I study and grow I can really improve my winrate.

The only thing I'm dissapointed about so far is the effort but I know I can do better and step it up. I have to be more responsible away from the table when it comes to getting enough sleep, eating right and exercising and I'm taking steps toward those goals.

Finally, and as someone with ADHD this is a struggle for me, I really need to do a better job of watching the hands I'm not in. Not only is it plus EV in the short term, but it will be crucial for my long term growth as a player.
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Old 09-24-2017, 02:03 PM   #43
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

There's a good chance I'm running well in ways that are tougher to measure, but starting on day 22 I have to be at least 2k below EV in all in pots.

It's not so much the losing the money that bothers me as much as it is it impacts my winrate and I want to know if I can do this. It's hard to know what's run bad and what's me just not being good enough. Sure I could write off a poor winrate as being due to running below EV in all in pots but what if I'm getting lucky in other ways?
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Day 31: 7.5 hours played, up roughly 325

Interesting decisions with AK after flopping big draw:

Hero is 1k deep and villain covers. Villain is a 40's Asian guy who likes to chase draws, doesn't like to fold and isn't super aggressive but definitely capable of bluffing. We have been playing for 6 hours or so. The button is an MAWG who plays a wideish range and very fit or fold post flop. He has about $250 to start the hand.

Hero opens AKss to 12 in the CO, button and calls, villain 3 bets to 35 and we both had call. I opened smaller because BB folds to larger opens but plays a wide range if you keep it cheap and he's someone I really want in the hand. I opted not to 4 bet at this stack depth being in position. Might be a standard 4 bet but whatever.


Pot: 100. Villain checks dark.

Flop: TJ6 two spades.

I opt to continue for 70. Button folds and villain calls. Not quite sure how to range villain, probably a draw.

Pot: 240

Turn: 4c

Villain checks, I check it back. I don't think I have a ton of fold equity on this card, if he's getting tricky with a set or aces I want the free card.

River 2s giving me the nut flush.

Villain checks. I reach for chips. He reaches like he wants to call which I think is a bluff. I think he has showdown value and doesn't want me to bet.

I bet something like 120 and he calls fairly quickly. I show the nut flush and he shows JJ...

I probably should have sized up on the river but oh well. Something to keep in mind for next time.

If only I could run as good in all in pots as I do in regular pots lol.
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Old 09-25-2017, 03:46 PM   #45
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I highly recommend that you switch over to PLO as someone who grind alot of 1/2 -2/5 NL Live. PLO live is just so much juicer, the PLO crowd create a much more better table atmosphere, you earning power will increase. Anyway good luck to you.
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Old 09-25-2017, 05:10 PM   #46
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I highly recommend that you switch over to PLO as someone who grind alot of 1/2 -2/5 NL Live. PLO live is just so much juicer, the PLO crowd create a much more better table atmosphere, you earning power will increase. Anyway good luck to you.
Thanks man. It's something I've been hearing and it's the thought has been in the back of my mind for a few weeks now.

Do you mostly just play NLHE when the PLO games aren't good? Also, what would be the best resource to learn PLO for someone that hasn't played before? I'm ok with something advanced like the PLO equivalent of Janda's book as long as it's comprehensible.
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Yeah I play NL only when I wait for PLO game. I would just subscribe to RIO basic plan for beginners I think it is very dangerous for beginners to gravitate towards High Advance concept since you would often don't know how or what path the instructors took to arrive to those conclusion.
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Old 09-26-2017, 01:27 AM   #48
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Day 32: 8 hours down $18. Please don't judge me for finishing down on the day to these villains. I swear I played solid poker.

LEGENDARY HANDS: I've never seen anything like this.

Legendary hand 1:

1/3 live.

V1 bets turn, v2 calls and flips his cards not realizing that it's not the river. V1 flips his cards not realizing it's not the river. Dealer awards the pot to V2 not realizing it's not the river. V1 had the better hand even if it had been the river. Dealer mucks both hands and the board. We then proceed to spend 10 minutes with the floor working out what to do over a $20 pot.

Legendary hand 2:

different villains than hand 1

I open, bunch of calls, V1 calls, v2 3 bets, everyone folds except v1 who calls. Flop is AKQr. V1 checks and v2 bets leaving v1 with 5 dollars. $220 is in the pot.

Turn is a 5. V1 checks, V2 checks it back. Nice check back and pot control by v2.

Now here is where **** gets real.

River is 3. Pot is still $220.

With $5 left V1 TANKS for like a minute. V2 bets out of turn. V1 announces that he hasn't checked yet. It's such a juicy table that I'm fighting off the urge to call clock. V1 tanks for another 20 seconds then checks .

V2 fires the 1/44th pot sized bet. V1 folds QQ, V2 shows AK.

Watching this entire day was so tilting lol. I kept getting hands like AK and whiffing flops at a table where people were calling down insanely light.

There was one guy who announced that he doesn't bluff, which he doesn't, I've played with him before. He then proceeds to only bet with super nutted hands. When people folded he would show that he did in fact have the nuts. He 2 barreled on a 3 flush K high board and got called down by TT. The last bet was a nearly pot sized bet for $120.

People paid this mother ****er off every time. Dude he's not angling you, he ****ing has the nuts when he says it just believe him!

I'm actually happy with how I played today. Sometimes the cards just don't come.
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:52 PM   #49
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Days 33-38

Will be flying to a funeral so will be off for a while. Next week will be a little quiet too but then after that I'll be in LA playing round the clock.
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Old 09-29-2017, 01:27 PM   #50
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dude just listen to avarita.

I still get the "itch" to play live poker a couple times a year. And it always ends the same: I look around at the "pros" who are all undoubtedly making sub 40k despite being "experts" and the lonely, angry, bitter degens who are throwing their money (they probably cant afford to lose) away, and I think to myself why in the bloody hell am i wasting my youth with these losers?

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