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Old 12-12-2017, 05:51 PM   #301
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Re: Talking my shot at becoming a live pro.

agree w/ ava
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Old 12-12-2017, 06:14 PM   #302
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**** y'all. Team checkthat**** is definitely right. Let the mf bluff!
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Old 12-12-2017, 06:40 PM   #303
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But still, m’fers also bluff when you bet 1/5th pot. Possibly even more so than when you check. They really have no idea wtf to do.

fwiw just to reiterate I’d be more comfortable with a check if we were ip and if we had the Kc. But again, a big improvement in my game was just autobetting my top sets on dry boards (I used to check them a lot). I’m not sure what pio does but I’d imagine it checks top sets on wet boards more and uses small sizing and bets at a v high freq on dry. I know pio lines don’t directly translate to live exploits but this specific line/sizing has done very well for me.
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Old 12-12-2017, 06:54 PM   #304
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The only reason I'm advocating checking is because of spr. Any deeper, and I mean like ANY deeper, I'd prob lean towards bet as well. It's basically a one street hand with this spr so you can rly do W/E you like on the flop. It'll prob go in on the turn anyway.
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Old 12-16-2017, 03:08 AM   #305
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But still, m’fers also bluff when you bet 1/5th pot. Possibly even more so than when you check. They really have no idea wtf to do.

fwiw just to reiterate I’d be more comfortable with a check if we were ip and if we had the Kc. But again, a big improvement in my game was just autobetting my top sets on dry boards (I used to check them a lot). I’m not sure what pio does but I’d imagine it checks top sets on wet boards more and uses small sizing and bets at a v high freq on dry. I know pio lines don’t directly translate to live exploits but this specific line/sizing has done very well for me.
Really interesting idea. There you go recommending underbets again I thought it was really close between bet and check, I didn't really consider the option of massively underbetting which seems solid. I still think all 3 options are good.

If he raises and we call I could see him checking back a lot of turns which allows him to play his draws perfectly against our range assuming he doesn't bluff river. So would you consider check/jamming or donning turn?
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Old 12-16-2017, 03:09 AM   #306
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Results since last post*:

20 hours played up 520.

Took the loss the other session pretty hard and decided to avoid posting since I had been using it as an excuse to wallow. I will keep posting updates but probably going to post less frequently and definitely not in the middle of a session.
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Old 12-16-2017, 07:37 AM   #307
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Results: 4 hours played up $10.

Was busy running errands today so almost just took it off but Friday games are usually just too good. Game was actually full of competent regs mostly playing actual TAG. There were a few spots at the table but not many. I ran pretty awful, basically didn't win a pot, and was down almost $200 but then I got it in with aces v AK pre for $180 each and won. I did manage to lose the absolute minimum when I flopped a huge draw one hand and correctly put the guy on an overpair and just flatted in position. I was a slight equity favorite so shipping flop would've been +EV but I figured without fold equity and in position and still a lot behind it would be more profitable to just call. I'll probably write up the hand in detail later.
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Old 12-16-2017, 11:40 PM   #308
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One fun hand from today while I'm taking a break:

+2 limps with a wide range. I make it $12 OTB with KTcc. Button bb and +2 call.

Flop K32r.

BB donks for under half pot, call, I call. Turn A brings bd spade draw. BB bets 2/3 pot, shove by +2 for a little more. Ugh I feel like I'm beating BB but have to fold since shove worried me and A was the one turn I really didn't want.

River 7s. Completes flush.

BB shows: K4
+2 shows J4ss for the flush.

Well I guess BB saved me money lol.
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Old 12-17-2017, 03:26 AM   #309
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Thoughts on these two hands:

Main villain is in the SB and is drinking really loose:/bad rec player jsut here to have fun.
EP limper barrels just about every pot. He's the one who dunked with K2 earlier on K34r. He min opens 44 UTG and then bets flop 796 two tone flop into 3 ppl etc.

3 limps hero checks the BB.

Flop 994 two hearts. Sb considers a bet but checks. This is not indicative he has had anything, he just likes to bet sometimes. This is a spot I'm often leading, but with a mediocre kicker and the spewy guy still to act I check. It checks through and OTT

Turn: offsuit 8.

Pot:11.

Sb leads for $20. Hero?? Given how light he's calling down I strongly consider a raise but opt to flat. The two people behind me fold.

River 5.

Pot: $47.

Guy is tapping table absent mindedly and dealer rules it a check. He did not mean to check, definitely not an angle.

I bet $45 and he calls with an 87.

Hand 2: two limps from people who are limping wide. I make it $18 OTB with KdQc.

Old guy in sb flats. Think his range is on the tighter side and is going to have a lot of 77-JJ/AK/AQ/AJ. The other two folds.

Flop: 743 two diamonds.

He checks I check.

Turn: Ad completes flush and gives me NFD.

I bet 20 into 40 and he calls.

Pot:80.

River is an 8 offsuit.

He checks and I bet $65. He calls me with JJ with the Jd. I really had him ranged at that kind of hand but thought I could fold that out.
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Old 12-17-2017, 03:52 AM   #310
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A few other hands I played earlier exploitatifely that I was happy about. I flatted the guy who barrels every pot when I had K9o in the BB which is usually a fold. Flop came Kxx two tone. Turn A completed flush. River was a brick. Called down 3 streets and was good.

I also raised to $15 otb over a limp with 88 and she called with 2c2s. Flop was AA9 two tone. She was pretty stick so I thought there were a lot of worse hands that would give me action. I bet $13 she calls. Turn 2. Cc. River A. I bet $15 and she calls.
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Old 12-17-2017, 04:03 AM   #311
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What we got in H1? H2 I think bet turn closer to pot so we know he'll fold 2nd pair type hands and then give up river if called.
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Old 12-17-2017, 05:19 AM   #312
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One more hand question:

1/3. Late 20's Villain opens to $10 from +2. I flat 99 OTB. Normally a 3 bet but I thought his range was really weak when he only opens to $10 and I would make more by flatting.

Flop:642 two tone.

He bets 10 I call.

Turn 8 offsuit. He bets $25 I call.

River Q offsuit. He bets $60.

I'm fairly high up in my range, his value range is probably pretty small and a lot missed. On the other hand hadn't seen him bluff in a few hours.
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Old 12-17-2017, 05:27 AM   #313
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Prob sigh folding
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:51 AM   #314
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What we got in H1? H2 I think bet turn closer to pot so we know he'll fold 2nd pair type hands and then give up river if called.
Oh I guess knowing my hand would be helpful. 97 no hearts.
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Old 12-17-2017, 08:04 AM   #315
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Prob sigh folding
I sigh called and was wrong. He had 22 for the set. Really costly decision to not 3 bet. That and the KQ hand were my mistakes for the session. I don't think either were egregious but they are hands I could've gotten right and didn't.

I did make two good hero folds and was correct.

Putting on the hero cape:

Passive button limps, sb calls I check KT in BB.

Flop: KT8 two tone.

I bet $13 into $9 and he calls.

Pot:33

Turn 9.

I bet $30, he raises to about $90. I ask him if he really has QJ, I think he's the type of guy who is actually going to be honest. We have a nice friendly table/game going and he just seems like the type. He says he doesn't have QJ but he had me beat. I know I'm going to feel dumb if I fold and he shows K9 but I fold. He shows 67 for the straight.

Also got away cheap with top pair and a gutter on the turn in another hand and she showed me a set. Yea... I ran into a lot of sets today.

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Old 12-18-2017, 10:14 PM   #316
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Saturday results: 11 hours played up $210. Was happy with how I played for the most part. Game was really good at both the Bellagio and the Aria but didn't run particularly well. Also may have misplayed two hands that ended up costing me so I have myself to blame for that.
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Old 12-19-2017, 02:27 AM   #317
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Yet another day of running like ****. Was getting a lot of big starting hands at a table and got no action. Never got called on the flop at my first table with a single value hand, got some cbet bluffs through though so at least I wasn't just running into the top of people's ranges.

Then I open KK and get flatted by the button flop is QT5r. I bet $20 woman raises to $40 I call. Turn is an 8 bringing bd flush draw and she shoves for like $150-200 I fold and she shows TT.

Ok whatever I'm up like $30 from 3 betting and taking the blinds etc.

Move to a new table. I whiff every flop for about 6 hands.

Then a guy who has no idea what he's doing limps, tilted guy opens to $12 in the CO, I 3 bet to $45 with KQhh OTb and both call.

Flop: 733 two hearts.

I bet $70 and clueless guy makes it $150. Tilted guy folds and I call.

Turn offsuit T. Check check.

River: A.

He shoves and I fold and he shows A3o.

Couple hands later, the next hand that I play I make it $15 over the A3 guys limp with aces, a lagy player calls and limper calls. Lagy guy flopped trip jacks with J6 and took me for $90 post flop. Luckily I checked the flop and kept the pot small.

I really don't get understand how this has been going on for two months. I can count on one hand the number of times last week where I got to value bet and won a decent pot. I'm getting closer to quitting. It's just so hard to motivate myself to go play and to study when I just show up and lose constantly.

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Old 12-19-2017, 02:49 AM   #318
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6 hours played down 350.
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Old 12-19-2017, 03:10 AM   #319
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Alright variance and run bad are no longer excuses.

New goal/ultimatum excluding the 4 days or so I'll be home for Christmas. I have to make $3200 every 30 days for the next 3 months or I'm done. If at the end of a 30 day period I'm more than a rounding error short I'm done.

I honestly still love playing, was having fun at the first table even though I was barely breaking even. But I can't just blame losing constantly on variance at this point and even if I can I'm not doing enough about it.

Obviously not going to force it either and do stupid **** like play 5/10 or 3 bet every hand at the end of the month. I'll counteract that by adding another stipulation: if I go down $1500 I'm also done.

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Old 12-19-2017, 03:16 AM   #320
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Alright variance and run bad are no longer excuses.

New goal/ultimatum excluding the 4 days or so I'll be home for Christmas. I have to make $3200 every 30 days for the next 3 months or I'm done. If at the end of a 30 day period I'm more than a rounding error short I'm done.

I honestly still love playing, was having fun at the first table even though I was barely breaking even. But I can't just blame losing constantly on variance at this point and even if I can I'm not doing enough about it.
Pointless goal, you can't control variance. You need to improve your game so set goals that reflect this.
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Old 12-19-2017, 04:01 AM   #321
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Pointless goal, you can't control variance. You need to improve your game so set goals that reflect this.
You are right that I can't control variance but I can't justify this if I'm losing. Maybe if I was working 60 hours a week and had proof this is just variance but short of that I need to be producing results.
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Old 12-19-2017, 04:04 AM   #322
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You are right that I can't control variance but I can't justify this if I'm losing. Maybe if I was working 60 hours a week and had proof this is just variance but short of that I need to be producing results.
The only way to produce results is to improve.
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Old 12-19-2017, 10:44 AM   #323
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Alright well rather than going home in frustration after 6 hours I decided to leave the Aria, take a walk and went over to the Bellagio to play for a few hours. Currently up about $630 through a mix of run good, one donation, and good play.
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Old 12-19-2017, 01:00 PM   #324
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Snap lock it up now. Not next orbit, not next hand, now.
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Old 12-19-2017, 05:27 PM   #325
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Op. I have utterly destroyed online since 07. Got burnt out and decided to grind live, did so for a year, won but not anywhere near what I expected to win. Do not underestimate live variance, 30 hands an hour you can ****ing awful for a long time.
Keep working and DO NOT TILT and u'll be fine. GL
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