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Old 12-14-2017, 01:21 AM   #1351
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Ya...you pretty much unorthodox'ed your own unorthodox line.
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Old 12-14-2017, 12:25 PM   #1352
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But the real question is...

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Old 12-14-2017, 12:54 PM   #1353
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mods have the ability to compare IP addresses, a pm to them would answer the question.
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Old 12-14-2017, 06:08 PM   #1354
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I have no enemies. Only people who have an irrational dislike of me.
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:32 PM   #1355
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I do not dislike you. My feeling toward you is non-existent.

I was merely pointing out faults in many of your irrational thinking.

Take for example, you clearly thought all TP scenarios are the same, regardless other contributing factors. It is also pretty obvious that you think a lot of the “fishy” ideas are somehow “unorthodox” because poker book readers don’t use them. Winning players don’t donk TT into preflop aggressor “to see where they are at” because such information holds little merit without answers to other questions.

You are basically “the” guy who invented Martingale system. Everyone who never studied anything relating to gambling always think they invented Martingale.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:06 AM   #1356
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I do not dislike you. My feeling toward you is non-existent.

I was merely pointing out faults in many of your irrational thinking.

Take for example, you clearly thought all TP scenarios are the same, regardless other contributing factors. It is also pretty obvious that you think a lot of the “fishy” ideas are somehow “unorthodox” because poker book readers don’t use them. Winning players don’t donk TT into preflop aggressor “to see where they are at” because such information holds little merit without answers to other questions.

You are basically “the” guy who invented Martingale system. Everyone who never studied anything relating to gambling always think they invented Martingale.
I didnt lead into him to see where I was at. I led into him for value.

Also, I now know exactly who you are. You've been banned at least twice that I know of and its quite sad that over and over you create new accounts to troll me and other people. You've been doing it for quite some time now. Do you seriously have nothing better to do? Seriously. Get a life dude. You are pathetic.

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Old 12-15-2017, 01:26 PM   #1357
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That's not narrowing it down any!

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Old 12-15-2017, 03:19 PM   #1358
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If anyone wants to know who John from Google is just go to the Bankroll/Win rate thread. You have to go back a couple months and see who caused argument after argument which led to the entire thread being locked temporarily until the mods could come up with a way to keep it running more smoothly.

The reason it started running more smoothly and the reason you dont see an argument there every day is because this person was banned a couple months ago. John from Google is at least his 2nd or 3rd new screen name since then. Hes been banned multiple times and he just keeps reappearing starting arguments everywhere he goes. Its quite pathetic if you think about it. What kind of a person goes on the internet for the sole purpose of starting arguments? What kind of a person gets pleasure out of that. Hes got to be mentally ill. If he wasnt so annoying, I would feel sorry for him.
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Old 12-16-2017, 08:22 AM   #1359
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Whoever it is, the SN is great
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Old 12-16-2017, 08:40 AM   #1360
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If anyone wants to know who John from Google is just go to the Bankroll/Win rate thread. You have to go back a couple months and see who caused argument after argument which led to the entire thread being locked temporarily until the mods could come up with a way to keep it running more smoothly.

The reason it started running more smoothly and the reason you dont see an argument there every day is because this person was banned a couple months ago. John from Google is at least his 2nd or 3rd new screen name since then. Hes been banned multiple times and he just keeps reappearing starting arguments everywhere he goes. Its quite pathetic if you think about it. What kind of a person goes on the internet for the sole purpose of starting arguments? What kind of a person gets pleasure out of that. Hes got to be mentally ill. If he wasnt so annoying, I would feel sorry for him.


You think it's Richard Parker? I'm not sure that is correct but I suppose it could be


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Old 12-16-2017, 10:01 AM   #1361
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You think it's Richard Parker? I'm not sure that is correct but I suppose it could be


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Its definitely him. Confirmed by a mod
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Old 12-16-2017, 11:55 AM   #1362
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Its definitely him. Confirmed by a mod


Ok just didn't seem like RP


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Old 12-16-2017, 12:44 PM   #1363
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Old 12-17-2017, 12:35 AM   #1364
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I had a crazy session today. I started off down $700 and ended at +$1475 including winning a $400 high hand. The beginning of the session saw me being dealt raising hands over and over again and missing flops over and over again. Then I finally got some traction.

1) Button opens $20. I 3 bet Td8d to $65 in the SB. He calls.
Flop ($135) AdKh7d. I bet $50. He calls.
Turn ($235) 6s. I check. He bets $100. Meh.....I tank/call because I know I will get paid off if I hit.
River ($435) Qs. X/X... He has 88. Really?

2) EP limps. I raise $25 KcQc in MP. Cutoff, BB and the limper call.

Flop ($100) Qd7h7s. Checked to me. I check. Cutoff bets $75. BB calls. Limper folds. I went into the tank here. There are no draws. Do all 3 of us have a Q? I doubt it. My gut told me that the BB had a 7. But I could get myself to fold. I call.

Turn ($325) Qs. BB checks and looks like hes in pain. I check. Cutoff bets $75 again. BB calls again. OK, Im pretty sure they dont both have a Q now. I call again.

River ($550) Ks. BB checks with $300ish behind. Cutoff has about $185. I cover. I think the cutoff has a Q and the BB has a 7, but just in case its the reverse order and the cutoff is going to check behind, I shoved all in. Cutoff called and BB mucked.

Cutoff had AQ. BB showed a 7. WOW! What a nice runout for me!! My instinct to fold the flop was correct, but obviously Im glad I didnt.

3) I open to $20 OTB 5c3c. BB calls.

Flop ($40) 4c2c3s. BB checks. I check back
Turn ($40) 6c. He checks. I bet $20. He folds. I win the $400 high hand.

4) I open to $20 QcQs from early MP. A fish OTB calls. The SB 3 bets to $85.

SB is a very good and very tricky player. He is capable of absolutely anything and I fully expect him to have a massively wide range here. He has seen me open extremely wide many times. I call and we go HU

Flop ($195) 9s8s3c. He bets $130 with $290 behind. I really want to just shove all in here, but I decided to call and call just about every turn.

Turn ($455) Ac. Well aint that a *****? He shoves $290. Im probably supposed to fold here, but as I said, this guy is capable of anything. Im just not folding. I call

River ($1035) Ks. I couldnt hate that river card much more than I do....but he shows QhTh and MHIG.

5) 4 limps. I limp As2s OTB. The SB raises to $25 and everybody calls.

Flop ($155) Tc9s8s. SB shoves $100. MP1 calls with $500ish behind. MP2 shoves all in for $420. It folds to me. Into the tank I go again. I need 35% equity assuming MP1 folds. Its pretty close but if MP2 has a set, I dont have the equity I need, to call. If he has something like JT folding would be bad. **** it. I call. MP1 folds

Turn ($1195) 5s
River ($1195) 6d.

MP2 shows 88 and Im a luckbox.
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Old 12-17-2017, 02:24 AM   #1365
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“OK, Im pretty sure they dont both have a Q now.”

Ya think? Lol.
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Old 12-17-2017, 02:46 AM   #1366
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I had a crazy session today. I started off down $700 and ended at +$1475 including winning a $400 high hand. The beginning of the session saw me being dealt raising hands over and over again and missing flops over and over again. Then I finally got some traction.

1) Button opens $20. I 3 bet Td8d to $65 in the SB. He calls.
Flop ($135) AdKh7d. I bet $50. He calls.
Turn ($235) 6s. I check. He bets $100. Meh.....I tank/call because I know I will get paid off if I hit.
River ($435) Qs. X/X... He has 88. Really?

2) EP limps. I raise $25 KcQc in MP. Cutoff, BB and the limper call.

Flop ($100) Qd7h7s. Checked to me. I check. Cutoff bets $75. BB calls. Limper folds. I went into the tank here. There are no draws. Do all 3 of us have a Q? I doubt it. My gut told me that the BB had a 7. But I could get myself to fold. I call.

Turn ($325) Qs. BB checks and looks like hes in pain. I check. Cutoff bets $75 again. BB calls again. OK, Im pretty sure they dont both have a Q now. I call again.

River ($550) Ks. BB checks with $300ish behind. Cutoff has about $185. I cover. I think the cutoff has a Q and the BB has a 7, but just in case its the reverse order and the cutoff is going to check behind, I shoved all in. Cutoff called and BB mucked.

Cutoff had AQ. BB showed a 7. WOW! What a nice runout for me!! My instinct to fold the flop was correct, but obviously Im glad I didnt.

3) I open to $20 OTB 5c3c. BB calls.

Flop ($40) 4c2c3s. BB checks. I check back
Turn ($40) 6c. He checks. I bet $20. He folds. I win the $400 high hand.

4) I open to $20 QcQs from early MP. A fish OTB calls. The SB 3 bets to $85.

SB is a very good and very tricky player. He is capable of absolutely anything and I fully expect him to have a massively wide range here. He has seen me open extremely wide many times. I call and we go HU

Flop ($195) 9s8s3c. He bets $130 with $290 behind. I really want to just shove all in here, but I decided to call and call just about every turn.

Turn ($455) Ac. Well aint that a *****? He shoves $290. Im probably supposed to fold here, but as I said, this guy is capable of anything. Im just not folding. I call

River ($1035) Ks. I couldnt hate that river card much more than I do....but he shows QhTh and MHIG.

5) 4 limps. I limp As2s OTB. The SB raises to $25 and everybody calls.

Flop ($155) Tc9s8s. SB shoves $100. MP1 calls with $500ish behind. MP2 shoves all in for $420. It folds to me. Into the tank I go again. I need 35% equity assuming MP1 folds. Its pretty close but if MP2 has a set, I dont have the equity I need, to call. If he has something like JT folding would be bad. **** it. I call. MP1 folds

Turn ($1195) 5s
River ($1195) 6d.

MP2 shows 88 and Im a luckbox.
1) looks fine
2) snap fold, dry flop and strong sizing and SB calling first after the CO I'm thinking I'm never good with KQ unless up against pure droolers
3) n bink
4) your assessment of v is very out of whack imo.
5) gut says to fold here but...YOLO? This is pretty bad IMO.
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Old 12-17-2017, 02:49 AM   #1367
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I really, truly dislike how you played h1
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Old 12-17-2017, 03:11 AM   #1368
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I really, truly dislike how you played h1
We can barrel turn but we aren't getting folds against a reasonable turn defend range. We aren't folding obv but a turn bet is spew in this scenario. BTN should be calling down very wide.
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Old 12-17-2017, 03:23 AM   #1369
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We can barrel turn but we aren't getting folds against a reasonable turn defend range. We aren't folding obv but a turn bet is spew in this scenario. BTN should be calling down very wide.
Pre was too small. Flop is fine. But depending on stack size we should want to triple here imo. He'll fold Kx on the turn and we can get him to fold draws by the river. If he's floating 88 on the flop vs our small sizing we should definitely be willing to double barrel.
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Old 12-17-2017, 03:26 AM   #1370
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Pre was too small. Flop is fine. But depending on stack size we should want to triple here imo. He'll fold Kx on the turn and we can get him to fold draws by the river. If he's floating 88 on the flop vs our small sizing we should definitely be willing to double barrel.
Yes knowing he is willing to call small streets light we should be barreling in a situation like this.

Effective stacks are a key component of how we treat the turn.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:24 AM   #1371
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1) Its very unusual for anyone to play 88 like that in my games. I was shocked. Clearly, if I knew he was capable of having a mid pp, I would pound the turn.

4) Whats wrong with my assessment of villain? He played the hand very similar to how I might play it

Villain was at the table the other day when I played this hand that I posted already

MP nit open limps. I raised to $25 in the LJ with 7h6h. The cutoff and button both called. Hoodie guy is the button.

Flop ($85) 6c2h2d. I bet $35. Cutoff folds and button calls.
Turn ($155) Jh. I checked. He almost instashoves for $375. WTF? Why is he shoving for more than twice the pot? I dont think he would be doing that with 77-TT type hand. Maybe he has a J but again, why shove for so much? I tanked and finally called.
River ($905) 4s. He shows AcKs. LOL


So he knows I open very wide and his 3 bet can easily be super lite. He flopped 2 overs and a gutshot and fires away. He gets called and then he hits the prefect scare card on turn and shoves. He could call or fold preflop, but I think his 3 bet is even better and if hes going to 3 bet preflop, I think he played the hand very well. If I didnt have some history with him and know he was capable of this kind of play, I wouldve folded the turn.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:29 AM   #1372
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Pre was too small. Flop is fine. But depending on stack size we should want to triple here imo. He'll fold Kx on the turn and we can get him to fold draws by the river. If he's floating 88 on the flop vs our small sizing we should definitely be willing to double barrel.
I actually think my preflop sizing was fine but my flop bet was too small. He told me he put me on QQ/JJ and thought he could take it away on the turn. I didnt respond to him, but Im guessing he put me on QQ/JJ because of my flop sizing. Most people in these games dont bet $50 into a $135 pot with AA/KK/AK/AQ on this AKx flop. They probably should be, but they dont so he read it as weakness.
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Old 12-17-2017, 10:04 AM   #1373
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if we check T8dd turn it should be to check/raise all in, one of the better candidate to do it with as a semi-bluff
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Old 12-17-2017, 10:56 AM   #1374
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if we check T8dd turn it should be to check/raise all in, one of the better candidate to do it with as a semi-bluff
I think stacks need to be deeper for that. I didnt mention it but we were in the $450 range. Once he bet $100 on the turn, he had $235 left. It looks like hes committing himself. Obviously a crai wouldve worked here but how often will he have a hand based on this action that he will fold?
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Old 12-17-2017, 02:11 PM   #1375
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apparently pretty ****ing often given he did it with 88
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