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12-08-2017 , 03:49 PM
oops not nikachu...nikolack
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12-08-2017 , 04:11 PM
Nikachu would be a gr8 handle imo
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12-09-2017 , 09:48 AM
I got off to a rough start yesterday. I started off at 1/2 and after an hour was down $240. I didnt win a hand in 1 hour and got set over setted. Luckily the guy was a typical 1/2 donk and I didnt lose too much.

1) I open $10 JJ UTG. UTG+1 makes it $20. Right away, Im putting him on AA/KK. MP cold calls and I call.

Flop ($60) AKJ I check and it checks thru
Turn ($60) 7. I check again. Im not slow playing. Im just really sire he has AA/KK. It check thru again.
River ($60) 7. OK, maybe Im wrong. I bet $20. He min raises to $40. LOL. MP folds. I call hoping he has AK but he has AA. Nice play, Sir. You left $200+ on the table.

A new 2/5 got called just as this hand was being dealt so I left.

After 1 hour at 2/5 I was down another $200 and still hadnt won a hand that saw a flop. Ive been running good for 3 weeks so, whatever. My 2/5 table had a boyfriend / girlfriend team who are 2 of the biggest fish in the room but I wasnt feeling it at this table. Another new 2/5 table opened up and it had a bunch of unknowns and 2+2er Jace The Mace who Im friendly with was there so I jumped over. I finally got on a little run

2) MP limps. Unknown black lady raises to $15 OTB. I call SB with Qs9s. Jace The Mace calls in BB. MP calls

Flop ($60) Qd 4s 7c We check to her and she bets $30. I call ans does Jace
Turn ($150) Ts. I lead $50 as a part value part blocking bet. Jace thinks but folds as the button already has chips in her hand.
River ($250) Qc. I lead $125 and she instacalls and then mucks.

Jace told me later that he folded QJ on the turn. My turn lead worked out perfectly this time folding out the winner but the more I think about it, Im not sure if I like it or not.

3) I open to $20 Jd8d in MP. A young guy playing pretty tight calls in the cutoff. He seems confidant and is discussing strategy with Jace (not a good idea Jace). They were talking low and I dont think the fish at the other end could hear them, but I could which was giving me a read on the kid. The things the kid were saying were absolutely correct).

Flop ($45) Kh8h5s. I bet $20. He calls.
Turn ($85) Jh. I check. He thinks and checks back
River ($85) 3s. I bet $50. He thinks and raises to $150. Hmmm

Hes playing tight enough that I think his range is mostly pocket pairs. I dont think he would check a flush on the turn. He didnt seem like the type to slowplay. He's absolutely not putting me on J8 and probably not KJ either. A river bluff raise is very rare but I think this is a perfect spot for it because I probably dont have a flush either. I think my line looks like I have QQ at best. Maybe Kx without a heart. So I called and he had 77. Very nice play on his part IMO.

4) Limped pot 5 way. I have 63 in the BB
Flop ($25) Qd 4c 5s. Checked to MP old man playing pretty ABC. He bets $15. LP calls. I call and major fish calls UTG.

Turn ($85) Ad. I check. UTG checks. MP bets $20. Folds to me. Its pretty clear that MP doesnt like the ace so I decide to check raise my draw and take it down. I check raise to $65. Of course the donk UTG ruins my plan by calling. MP folds.

River ($235) Ac. Honestly I dont have a clue what UTG has but I think there's a very good chance he has some ragged hand like 65 / 43 / 67 / 23.

This is either the best or worst bluff in history but I bet $20 into the $235 pot and he folded. LOL.

The session ended strong

-$240 at 1/2
+$515 at 2/5
+$300 high hand (minus $25 tip)

So far in December Ive got 37 hrs at +$4255. Like I said, Im running hot.
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12-09-2017 , 10:11 PM
Glad to see you kept the thread alive, always enjoy reading your poker adventures.

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12-09-2017 , 11:00 PM
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Glad to see you kept the thread alive, always enjoy reading your poker adventures.

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Thank You, Sir
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12-09-2017 , 11:04 PM
Here's a special delivery hand for Mr. Google

EP limps. I raise to $25 QhJd in MP. SB and limper call.
Flop ($80) Qc 9d 5s. They check to me. I check back
Turn ($80) 3h. SB check. EP bets $55. I call. SB folds
River ($190) 2c. EP bet $100. I call and beat his 3s4s.

Checking TP and letting aggro guys think they can make you lay down what they probably think is something like TT is the new rage.
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12-10-2017 , 02:20 AM
love poking the bears eh mike...
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12-10-2017 , 05:04 AM
#UnorthodoxMike back at it again
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12-10-2017 , 09:58 AM
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love poking the bears eh mike...
Go ahead and throw a penalty flag on me for taunting. I deserve it.
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12-10-2017 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Here's a special delivery hand for Mr. Google

EP limps. I raise to $25 QhJd in MP. SB and limper call.
Flop ($80) Qc 9d 5s. They check to me. I check back
Turn ($80) 3h. SB check. EP bets $55. I call. SB folds
River ($190) 2c. EP bet $100. I call and beat his 3s4s.

Checking TP and letting aggro guys think they can make you lay down what they probably think is something like TT is the new rage.
I approve of this play vs that player. If he XRs you there you have a really tough decision considering the board. Your kicker isn't great and mixing this into your gave vs LAG-o-donks really messes with their head.
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12-10-2017 , 10:15 PM
"Here's a special delivery hand for Mr. Google

EP limps. I raise to $25 QhJd in MP. SB and limper call.
Flop ($80) Qc 9d 5s. They check to me. I check back
Turn ($80) 3h. SB check. EP bets $55. I call. SB folds
River ($190) 2c. EP bet $100. I call and beat his 3s4s.

Checking TP and letting aggro guys think they can make you lay down what they probably think is something like TT is the new rage."

Clearly you don't understand how two hands differ because of position and that the other hand has two players, who are supposedly good, having position on you.

It's pretty obvious that to you, all TP scenarios are the same.

Again proving the point that you have little clue of what you are talking about. Funny you think you are actually making a good counter example why your "unorthodox" play is good.
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12-11-2017 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Here's a special delivery hand for Mr. Google

EP limps. I raise to $25 QhJd in MP. SB and limper call.
Flop ($80) Qc 9d 5s. They check to me. I check back
Turn ($80) 3h. SB check. EP bets $55. I call. SB folds
River ($190) 2c. EP bet $100. I call and beat his 3s4s.

Checking TP and letting aggro guys think they can make you lay down what they probably think is something like TT is the new rage.
I think this is a really good example of how my table has changed and thus how my strategy has had to change as a result.

Back in the day against straightforward ABC passive calling station fish, this was mostly bet/fold territory for at least the first street (sometimes maybe two).

But now against more aggressive players who try to win any pot they are in when showing weakness (I mean, we're not stupid enough to ever have TP here, are we?), or people who just aren't going to lose much money with worse hands by check/calling, this is more my standard line nowadays (especially on boards as dry as this one).

Really makes you realize how situational most poker strategy is, and a good strategy in one game might be kinda terrible in another, and vice versa.

GitdependsG
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12-11-2017 , 09:44 PM
GG...do you ever raise QJ?
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12-11-2017 , 09:45 PM
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GG...do you ever raise QJ?


Lololol


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12-11-2017 , 10:20 PM
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GG...do you ever raise QJ?
wp
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12-12-2017 , 06:36 AM
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GG...do you ever raise QJ?
He'll raise AAQJ if it's double suited.
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12-12-2017 , 01:47 PM
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GG...do you ever raise QJ?
I'm assuming you mean "play" QJ?

I've discussed all this in the Limping thread, but my game currently plays very loose and very aggressive preflop. In order to thin the field, I'd typically need to be putting in far too large of a raise with it to make sense after multiple limpers; putting in a raise to $35 when a lotta stacks are hovering around $200 and limpers sometimes have a strong range ain't ideal.

Used to be an auto-raise after 0 / 1 limpers in LP for me (and I still mostly do on the Button with if blinds are tight). But now even that isn't as clearcut if the limper/blinds have half a clue as it is so obvious we have a wide range here and they can make our life difficult postflop if we whiff (i.e. a cbet isn't working nearly as much as it once did) and can often have a stronger range (especially if raise size to accomplish the isolate is large, so ideally I'd lean towards a raise here if I can get away with a small one that still accomplishes this).

GcluelessQJnoobG
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12-12-2017 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I'm assuming you mean "play" QJ?

I've discussed all this in the Limping thread, but my game currently plays very loose and very aggressive preflop. In order to thin the field, I'd typically need to be putting in far too large of a raise with it to make sense after multiple limpers; putting in a raise to $35 when a lotta stacks are hovering around $200 and limpers sometimes have a strong range ain't ideal.

Used to be an auto-raise after 0 / 1 limpers in LP for me (and I still mostly do on the Button with if blinds are tight). But now even that isn't as clearcut if the limper/blinds have half a clue as it is so obvious we have a wide range here and they can make our life difficult postflop if we whiff (i.e. a cbet isn't working nearly as much as it once did) and can often have a stronger range (especially if raise size to accomplish the isolate is large, so ideally I'd lean towards a raise here if I can get away with a small one that still accomplishes this).

GcluelessQJnoobG
QJ suited is a great hand for barreling opportunities or delayed c-betting. Deeper stack sizes are important but I know you know that.

FYI you don't need to c-bet K72r with QJ with one of your suit. Nor do you have to check/fold a flop all the time when you whiff. Just sayin'.
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12-12-2017 , 09:18 PM
I feel like Ive been playing really well lately, but I also know Ive been running good as well. Yesterday was the first day that I felt like I played pretty mediocre. I only lost $150 but I wasn't happy with several spots so I left early.

I came back to day ready to crush. I sat down at 1/2 while waiting for a seat at 2/5 and lost $300 in 1 hour.

The highlight was my AQ vs QQ on an AQx board. He limp/called with QQ. I got called for 2/5 just as that hand ended.

I played 2 hours of 2/5 and was card dead and starting to get frustrated so I broke for an early dinner and than came back to play an evening session. I folded the first orbit while some guy I had never seen before wearing mirrored sunglasses and a hoodie pulled up over his head was mixing it up seemingly every hand.

1) Hoodie guy opens $15 UTG and gets 2 calls. I call in the SB with TT.

Flop ($60) 743. I led $35. Hoodie guy raised to $135 but the dealer called a string raise and pushed the $35 back to him. So the raise was to $100 and it folded back to me. As I said this guy was mixing it up so I decided to go with the hand and I shoved all in (I started with $400). He went into the tank and eventually folded.

A few hands later

2) MP nit open limps. I raised to $25 in the LJ with 7h6h. The cutoff and button both called. Hoodie guy is the button.

Flop ($85) 6c2h2d. I bet $35. Cutoff folds and button calls.
Turn ($155) Jh. I checked. He almost instashoves for $375. WTF? Why is he shoving for more than twice the pot? I dont think he would be doing that with 77-TT type hand. Maybe he has a J but again, why shove for so much? I tanked and finally called.
River ($905) 4s. He shows AcKs. LOL

I played about 2 more hours until my table broke. I guess its the beginning of Hanukkah. There are a lot of Jewish players from New York in my room and they all left before dinner so the place was a ghost town. I drew the low card when the table broke so I called it a day.

+$170 for the day after a ragged start.
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12-13-2017 , 09:33 AM
Why are you donking TT on 743 out of the SB?

We're you 100% that hoodie guy was already out of line?
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12-13-2017 , 09:49 AM
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Why are you donking TT on 743 out of the SB?

We're you 100% that hoodie guy was already out of line?
I know some people think you should never lead out, hence the name "donk" lead". However, is it really all that much different than if this was a limped pot and I had TT/99 on this same flop? IN a limped pot everyone would say I need to lead out since I have the best hand most of the time and dont want to give a free card. The only difference I see in that scenario and this one is that we expect the preflop raiser to Cbet a good amount of the time even when we are ahead.

But he only opened for $15. Some people open their premiums for $15 so his sizing may not mean anything but Id say the odds are a bit less that he has a big overpair when he opens $15. So I led out for value and not wanting to give free cards. Now when he raised, I was in a sticky spot. I really have no way of knowing if he has an overpair or is just raising my donk lead. I raise donk leads into me all the time and get folds about 80% of the time because people dont lead into the raiser with strong hands hardly ever.

This guy had raised people's bets several times already in the few hands I had watched and I just decided I was going with my gut and I shoved. I will say it was one of those spots where you only get called when youre beat but I didnt want to just call OOP and have to call his turn all in no matter what the card was.
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12-13-2017 , 12:02 PM
I'm not sure who is in your ear about lines, but they are clearly very good
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12-13-2017 , 12:46 PM
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I'm not sure who is in your ear about lines, but they are clearly very good
Thx
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12-13-2017 , 12:53 PM
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Why are you donking TT on 743 out of the SB?

We're you 100% that hoodie guy was already out of line?
Duh, it's called "bet to see where you are at."

Totally unorthodox and never been done before.
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12-14-2017 , 01:17 AM
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Duh, it's called "bet to see where you are at."

Totally unorthodox and never been done before.
Really? Because he raised which shouldve told me where I was at and I still shoved.
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