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12-04-2017 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
I'm in.
Does that mean you think I suck?
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12-04-2017 , 10:50 AM
Hand #1 That's a tough one to work out. I actually might consider folding. SB lead into 3 people on a board that smashes your range.

Hand #5 I would have bet that. Low board you will get fish caling for GSs and you hold the As. No As I check. You can bet small also to get rid of hands like AK or AQ. Turn I 100% agree with. No need to bet. You only get better to call.

Hand #6 I would XF the turn if the station is super passive and doesnt bluff.

Hand #7 I would have bet slightly less on the turn. $65 will accomplish the same thing as $90

Hand #9 I like the XRAI but for a different reason. Only 1 combos of AA. If he is just raising KQ alone that is 8 combos. He probably can't fold after waiting for 4 hours. So my raise is for value. You will never blow him off a chop. If he has only AA and AK your raise isn't a good one. It's just a call.

Rest of the hands? I see golden horseshoe is back
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12-04-2017 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Does that mean you think I suck?
Nope. It means I think you think I'm bad. But really I'm just keen to play with 8 droolers. :"D
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12-04-2017 , 11:03 AM
At least I suck with consistency

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12-04-2017 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by winky51
Hand #1 That's a tough one to work out. I actually might consider folding. SB lead into 3 people on a board that smashes your range.

Hand #5 I would have bet that. Low board you will get fish caling for GSs and you hold the As. No As I check. You can bet small also to get rid of hands like AK or AQ. Turn I 100% agree with. No need to bet. You only get better to call.

Hand #6 I would XF the turn if the station is super passive and doesnt bluff.

Hand #7 I would have bet slightly less on the turn. $65 will accomplish the same thing as $90

Hand #9 I like the XRAI but for a different reason. Only 1 combos of AA. If he is just raising KQ alone that is 8 combos. He probably can't fold after waiting for 4 hours. So my raise is for value. You will never blow him off a chop. If he has only AA and AK your raise isn't a good one. It's just a call.

Rest of the hands? I see golden horseshoe is back
#6) I agree a fold on the turn is probably better. I called because we were like $1500 deep and I thought I had huge implied odds if I hit a boat on the river. Hes not going to put me on 86 when I raised from UTG.

#7) Im experimenting with this strange looking line. Small flop bet...full pot bet on turn. Its working well so far. Im surprised this guy called a full pot bet with a draw on the turn.

#9) I thought there was maybe a 20% chance he would fold AK, but who knows? I didnt think he had hardly any chance of having KQ/KJ there considering he was playing so passive for hours. Obviously my crai is a hell of a lot better if those hands are in his range.
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12-04-2017 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
Nope. It means I think you think I'm bad. But really I'm just keen to play with 8 droolers. :"D
I dont think you're bad at all. I like most of your HHs. I would play some of your hands differently of course, but its really hard to say without ever having played in your games. One thing Ive learned is that games are drastically different in different places and in different times of the day and different days of the week.
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12-04-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I dont think you're bad at all. I like most of your HHs. I would play some of your hands differently of course, but its really hard to say without ever having played in your games. One thing Ive learned is that games are drastically different in different places and in different times of the day and different days of the week.
Hah ye I was just mucking about. But 100%, the variance in 2/5 games across the world is huuuge.
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12-04-2017 , 11:36 AM
Why'd you blurr the profits??
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12-04-2017 , 11:54 AM
"Most people dont raise Q9 and J9 from MP, hence the "fairly disguised" comment. I didnt say my hand was completely unreadable."

Most people don't raise 3bb with QJ, Q9 and J9 from MP?

To you, fact is whatever is convenient to fit your story.

Last edited by John from Google; 12-04-2017 at 12:04 PM.
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12-04-2017 , 12:03 PM
"What baffles me is how all of you guys think you have it all figured out and how I suck so amazingly bad at poker but yet I continually win. I was just talking about this with a friend of mine yesterday. He told me that he has adjusted his game quite a bit and uses a lot of the lines that I use and his win rate has skyrocketed. I asked him why the hell he would do that when I suck so bad."


Even if you do somehow "win" in this game, still doesn't make you good at this game.

Do you consider Jamie Gold as the best main event winner ever? But he did win the most money.


"It must really piss you off that Ive been beating this game for 15 years now when I do things that you've been told by the "experts" won't work."

Mostly just comedic relief, never mad.

"You can do your equity calculation however you want to. If you went to calculate it based on a range you assign a person, that's fine. Someone else is going to assign a different range and come up with a different number. You use those ranges to make a decision. Whoever is better at hand reading is going to make better decisions. Im not talking about his decision making process (which was **** BTW). Im only saying that AFTER the decision was made, the way I do it is the the ACTUAL EV of the hands in question."

Love how you are spinning someone else's words as if you knew how it works the whole time.

You clearly still don't understand how EV calculation works. Your method of calculating EV only works if everyone flip over their cards at each decision point and allow you to run the calculation. But since you are so unorthodox, it wouldn't surprise me that you actually think that should be how you calculate EV.
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12-04-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by John from Google
"What baffles me is how all of you guys think you have it all figured out and how I suck so amazingly bad at poker but yet I continually win. I was just talking about this with a friend of mine yesterday. He told me that he has adjusted his game quite a bit and uses a lot of the lines that I use and his win rate has skyrocketed. I asked him why the hell he would do that when I suck so bad."


Even if you do somehow "win" in this game, still doesn't make you good at this game.

Do you consider Jamie Gold as the best main event winner ever? But he did win the most money.


"It must really piss you off that Ive been beating this game for 15 years now when I do things that you've been told by the "experts" won't work."

Mostly just comedic relief, never mad.

"You can do your equity calculation however you want to. If you went to calculate it based on a range you assign a person, that's fine. Someone else is going to assign a different range and come up with a different number. You use those ranges to make a decision. Whoever is better at hand reading is going to make better decisions. Im not talking about his decision making process (which was **** BTW). Im only saying that AFTER the decision was made, the way I do it is the the ACTUAL EV of the hands in question."

Love how you are spinning someone else's words as if you knew how it works the whole time.

You clearly still don't understand how EV calculation works. Your method of calculating EV only works if everyone flip over their cards at each decision point and allow you to run the calculation. But since you are so unorthodox, it wouldn't surprise me that you actually think that should be how you calculate EV.
I understand exactly how EV calcs work. You have a problem with reading comprehension
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12-04-2017 , 12:10 PM
Please enlighten me, in your own words, how does EV calculation work?
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12-04-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by andees10
Why'd you blurr the profits??
I was just showing the consistency of my game over 3000+ hours because people always say Im just on a heater...Im just lucky...blah blah blah. Its not about the total amount of money Ive won. Ive posted graphs many times along the way of this 2 year stretch that Ive been playing semi full time and all I hear is how badly I suck from people here. I promise you that nobody in my poker room thinks I suck.

Maybe Im bad at explaining why I do what I do. Actually I dont even try to explain it very often because people dont want to listen anyway. Maybe people mock things they dont understand. Maybe people just tell me I suck because they think Im arrogant. It doesnt matter to me anymore. Its actually pretty comical to me at this point.

A bunch of 25-30 year olds going nuts because I win money at poker in a way that they've been told wont work by the experts. LOL

My favorite was the other day when someone posted that Doug Polk says you should donk into the raiser exactly never. LOL.
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12-04-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I was just showing the consistency of my game over 3000+ hours because people always say Im just on a heater...Im just lucky...blah blah blah. Its not about the total amount of money Ive won. Ive posted graphs many times along the way of this 2 year stretch that Ive been playing semi full time and all I hear is how badly I suck from people here. I promise you that nobody in my poker room thinks I suck.
to be fair, consistently winning $5/hr is a lot different than consistently winning $50/hr.
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12-04-2017 , 12:26 PM
"Maybe people mock things they dont understand."

Kind of like how you are mocking "orthodox" poker?

If you are so good at poker and win so consistently, why are you constantly looking for people's approval? You seem like a type that would literally approach people and tell them how good you are.
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12-04-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by John from Google
Please enlighten me, in your own words, how does EV calculation work?
Dude, get a life. Ive already explained the basics. Ive also already explained that AFTER making my decision on how to proceed based on my reads and my estimation of their ranges, I like to calculate the actual EV based on their actual hands. If I include hands like KhQx and AhTx and others, Im pretty sure I had the correct equity to make that call needing 17.7%.

You can justify making calls all day long based on what you think their range is. If you suck at hand reading, it means nothing. Calculating the actual equity after the fact helps. Lots of people go on deep downswings and tell themselves that they just keep running into the top of peoples ranges and they are playing correctly when they very well may just suck at putting people on ranges and they are just fooling themselves about how well they are playing.

You said nothing about all the other hands that I posted in that same post. You cherry picked the one hand in the list of hands that I posted that was a very tough hand. I was in a tough spot. You said nothing about how you wouldve played it. Youre a typical internet keyboard warrior. You seriously regiestered here just to talk **** to me? Ill say again. Get a life dude.
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12-04-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzyqtp
to be fair, consistently winning $5/hr is a lot different than consistently winning $50/hr.
True...but can a 1BB winner who has virtually no edge have a graph that is that consistent with such little variance?
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12-04-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by John from Google
"Maybe people mock things they dont understand."

Kind of like how you are mocking "orthodox" poker?

If you are so good at poker and win so consistently, why are you constantly looking for people's approval? You seem like a type that would literally approach people and tell them how good you are.
Im not mocking orthodox poker. Lots of people win playing ABC. I used to play that way also. Then I started playing full time. I know exactly what kinds of lines confuse me. I know what kinds of lines make it very tough on me to play a hand. I know the kinds of players that I hate having at my table, especially when they have position on me.... and I started doing a lot of those things to exploit people.
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12-04-2017 , 12:42 PM
When lines confuse you, you just ignore them? And when you choose to ignore them instead of to understand them, it becomes "unorthodox"?

I begin to understand what you mean by unorthodox. It's basically if you don't understand how things really work, ignore them, and just do whatever you think is right.

Similar to just about every losing poker player, you can't really explain why or how you make decisions, but because you are winning in poker, therefore you are special.

It must be nice to raise with Q9s in middle position, claim that most people don't, flops two pairs, claim that your hand is underrepped, shove all in for 80bb, and win. I mean if I can win consistently playing like that, I would think I am God's greatest gift as well.
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12-04-2017 , 12:43 PM
the $5/hr comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. it is a nice looking graph but doesn't really mean as much without knowing the $ amount/win rates associated with it
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12-04-2017 , 12:47 PM
I do apologize for calling you out like that. I am out.
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12-04-2017 , 01:52 PM
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I am out.

Spoiler:
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12-04-2017 , 01:52 PM
Not sure why you'd want to post a graph sans values. If you are in the black you are ahead of 98% of live players and 99% of 2p2.
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12-04-2017 , 02:13 PM
Don't need the values to know the graph is sick. Very consistent and because of that WR has to be high.
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12-04-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzyqtp
the $5/hr comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. it is a nice looking graph but doesn't really mean as much without knowing the $ amount/win rates associated with it
+1

Again, not hating or anything, but all the giraffe shows is that you're winning.

Expert giraffe posting tip: have a 3:1 ratio on height:width for maximum winnage effect.

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