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Not sure what you mean by settle this. Things as you just stated was pretty evident. Unless you are emphasizing that the old men are better than we might have given them credit for. My impression was they are basically tight and for the most part face up. I can see them slow playing and they might let the aggressor hang himself. That’s seen often with their ilk. Bluffing is a new paradigm we haven’t heard about. In which case the tight vs tough discussion has a new element to the mix. Mike never talked about that as far as I know.
I said it's not tough. It just requires adjustment. An adjustment I don't want to make for a mediocre winrate. For me playing a table of predictable nits yields a decent non-volatile winrate. Playing a bunch of droolers yields a high volatile winrate.
Having one tricky player is fine. When the whole table is tricky that's a problem. You have to bet less, play carefully, bluff at the right spots, and catch big hands.
Their tricky play loses them money but it also loses me money. It also decreases the accuracy of my decisions.
Here are some examples.
Limp, limp, AA limps!!!, I raise, 1st limper calls, 2nd limper folds, AA just calls. I got QQ and get a low flop. All it takes is one hand like this to wipe my winrate for the hour. And at this casino they do this so often 1-2 times in a 6 hour period I get nailed by some assclown who does this.
Once I saw a pot where AA, KK, and QQ limped. There was one bet and it got checked down because the board was 98472. AA lost so much money. My head exploded when I saw the hands.
This had to have been my most difficult hand. OMC(tricky) limps, I raise QQ, I get 3 callers. OMC calls.
FLOP QT3 - X, I bet, fold, fold, OMC calls
TURN Jr - X, I bet, he ships all in.
I sit there for a while thinking what could he be possibly doing this with. He doesn't play 98s up front. He raises AK. I really thought he had QJ and hit 2 pair thinking I wouldn't bomb AK in this spot. I call he has KK of all ****ing hands. 9 on the river of course rewarding his play.
This is the madness of the Isles. I already gotta play Ignition different than live. I don't need a 3rd way to learn. It ****s up my perception. And HR is a much higher winrate than Isles. I was struggling with $15 an hour @ Isles on a horrid -EV swing. At HR I'm @ $70 an hour so far, not big sample, with a 0EV swing effectively. People play more like California there, or what is expected.
So like I said, toughest isn't the word..... least profitable is the correct word. Perception altering is the right word. It's kind of like brain washing. You get used to live play a certain way. If you go to a casino where the play is weird it distorts your perception of things which might make you have more difficult decisions which are more standard. Similar to having a bad run. You get raised all the time you start seeing MUBs if they actually have you beat or thinking everyone is bluffing you. It distorts expectations at poker.
Thus screw the Isles.