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Old 06-06-2017, 09:07 PM   #26
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Because you (and many other players) sometimes will use this logic and level yourself into calling with KK,second pair or whatever on this board? The classic "cant believe my QQ/KK got sucked out on once more" call or "i cant believe i am so unlucky call".

Unless you have in depth reads that this villain is bluffing at a high frequenzy on the river, we just have to fold in my opinion. If not were gonna run into any Ax or better so often and become a callingstation- wich is why fish is losing money at low stakes.
I called and lost to A8s. I guess without a read I need to fold. The big bet fooled me this time. It really looked like he was trying to fold out KK-JJ
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Old 06-06-2017, 09:13 PM   #27
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I just checked my app and if I sort for sessions after dinner time, Im at $77.48/hr in 2017. Only 65 hours though. I really have to start dragging my ass into the poker room in the evenings more often. The quality of play in the evening is atrocious.
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:48 AM   #28
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I called and lost to A8s. I guess without a read I need to fold. The big bet fooled me this time. It really looked like he was trying to fold out KK-JJ
That would be my opinion on these kind of spots yeah, that you need some more in depth read that your villain is overbluffing for example or that he is capable of valueowning himself with second pair or something along those lines. Him showing up with A8 is not a big surprise based on what i usually see at showdown in those spots.

If we start to call down too much in those spots i dont think that will do good things to our overall EV or longterm winrate.
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:50 AM   #29
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3 hands vs same guy yesterday. He's a young Asian kid. Hes really bad. Id put his stats at 85/30.

1) Limped pot 5 ways. I have AcTc in BB

Flop ($25) TdTs5h. Checked around.
Turn ($25) 8s. I bet $25. Asian kid calls
River ($75) 3d. I bet $70. He calls and mucks.

2) I open $20 AQ. MP calls and Asian kid calls OTB.
Flop ($60) 4h4c3d. I bet $35. Asian kid calls HU
Turn ($130) Qh. X/X
River ($130) 8s. I bet $100. He tank/calls. and mucks.

Normally I would bet turn and maybe should have here, but he tanked on the river a long time so I think he was very weak. Knowing him he had something like 77

3) 2 EP limps. I make it $30 AK. 2 LP calls. My friend makes it $130 in the SB. I shove $570. Folds back to him and he tank/calls.

Final board was KJ482. Based on the look on his face and his sigh when the river came I think he may have had AQ. He didnt show.
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:22 AM   #30
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Hand 3) what do you think he thinks the bottom of your range is? Are you shipping A5 suited and the like?
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:38 AM   #31
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Hand 3) what do you think he thinks the bottom of your range is? Are you shipping A5 suited and the like?
This guy is such a wildcard theres really no way of using logic with him. I said he may have had AQ but it was only based on the look on his face. It looked like he thought he had a chance to river me no matter what I had. In reality though, he couldve had a huge range.

The other day someone opened to $25 UTG. The Asian kid called OTB. The SB made it like $130. UTG 4 bet shoved $500 and the Kid called off like $350 with 66. The SB called also. The kid tripled up vs AKs and JJ.

I would def 3 bet him with A5s but I probably wouldnt 4 bet all in when he 3 bet OOP. Not because its not a good play. But because hes in every hand and I can find multiple better spots.
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:40 AM   #32
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If Asian kid is really 80 VPIP I probably just bet every chance I have TP+ and check in most other spots. Like I'm not sure why you aren't betting turn HU against this station in H2.
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:56 AM   #33
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If Asian kid is really 80 VPIP I probably just bet every chance I have TP+ and check in most other spots. Like I'm not sure why you aren't betting turn HU against this station in H2.
Yeah, I probably shouldve bet the turn in hand #2. He will call with any pocket pair, A2, 56, A5, maybe A3 and other hands. The thing I question is, did I make more the way I played it when he has a made hand like 55-77? Will he call $75 on the turn and $175 on the river with those hands?

I guess I couldve gone $75 on turn and $100 on river to try to make more than the $100 I made the way I played it?
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:05 PM   #34
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Yeah, I probably shouldve bet the turn in hand #2. He will call with any pocket pair, A2, 56, A5, maybe A3 and other hands. The thing I question is, did I make more the way I played it when he has a made hand like 55-77? Will he call $75 on the turn and $175 on the river with those hands?

I guess I couldve gone $75 on turn and $100 on river to try to make more than the $100 I made the way I played it?
Well if he is truly that stationey..I like squeezing as much value as possible. Can't do that if you don't bet turn. So I guess I like bet turn, bet smaller if need be on river
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:02 AM   #35
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I've lost 200BBs or more 1.67% of the time
I've won 200BBs or more 4.8% of the time

Yesterday I lost $1291

Lost a stack with JT vs QJ on JT4QJ board
Lost $300 JJ vs AA all in preflop
Lost $200 JJ vs Q5....he called my $30 raise and flopped 655

That's $1000 of the $1291.

I did make one move that backfired on me

I limped AJ UTG. An aggro kid raised to $25 OTB and both blinds called. I reraised to $125. Button insta mucked. SB mucked but BB tank/called.

Flop KJx. I shoved $325 into the $300 pot and he called with AK. I dont hate it but obviously it was unnecessary.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:11 AM   #36
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I limped AJ UTG. An aggro kid raised to $25 OTB and both blinds called. I reraised to $125. Button insta mucked. SB mucked but BB tank/called.

Flop KJx. I shoved $325 into the $300 pot and he called with AK. I dont hate it but obviously it was unnecessary.
was your shove for value or a bluff?
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Old 06-08-2017, 05:13 PM   #37
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I've been following your posts for awhile, nice to see a dedicated thread.

What app do you use for your stat-tracking?
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:53 PM   #38
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was your shove for value or a bluff?
I guess Value although I didnt expect to get called. I thought it was pretty likely I was ahead. I really didnt expect him to have a hand that good. Was he planning on check/folding if he didnt hit a pair? Cuz I was shoving almost any flop which means I win long term.
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I've been following your posts for awhile, nice to see a dedicated thread.

What app do you use for your stat-tracking?
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:13 PM   #40
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The aggro Asian kid showed up today towards the end of my session. Ive seen him quite a bit in the evening and on weekends so we dont overlap all that much since I play mostly during the day time.

The Kid is a really bad LAG but his aggression seems to work against the other bad players and the weak/tights. I said hes around 85/30 but he may be closer to 85/45.

Here's one hand against him today.

He straddles UTG. Folds to me in the CO. I raise to $25 with Th8h. This probably the first time Ive ever opened this small in a straddled pot but he doesnt know that. Ive been card dead and Im trying to anything playable to get into hands against him where I have position. I dont need premiums to take his money.

SB ($500) calls and The Kid ($900) calls UTG. I cover them

Flop ($75) QcTd2h. Checks around
Turn ($75) 2s. They check to me, I bet $40. The kid calls
River ($155) 7d. He bets $95. I instacall and beat his 73.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:47 PM   #41
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Whatever happened to tytythefly? Didn't you help coach him occasionally? Is he still playing (losing) whatever?
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:50 PM   #42
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You have close to 6.5 post per day, that's a lot. You are a chatty Kathy huh?
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:26 PM   #43
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You have close to 6.5 post per day, that's a lot. You are a chatty Kathy huh?
I tried to spread some wisdom and experience but most people think Im a moron so Ive cut my posting way way back. I actually dont talk very much at all at the tables other than to other regs who Im friendly with. Im more of the strong silent type in person....actually just the silent part

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Old 06-08-2017, 08:34 PM   #44
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Whatever happened to tytythefly? Didn't you help coach him occasionally? Is he still playing (losing) whatever?
I read his PGC and took interest because he was playing in the same games I was. He was mostly playing at the Hard Rock and I play mostly at The Isle but there's still a lot of overlap in the player pools. He posted his graph and his win rate but after reading some of his HHs, I knew there was no way he was playing well. He was just running hot. I told him that and when he started losing, he took me up on an offer to play at the table with him to help identify any leaks. He had blown most of his roll with some Vegas debauchery so we played 1/2. Honestly I didnt see any glaring leaks but he also wasnt playing anything close to the way he was posting about playing.

We played 2/5 a couple times together but he was playing with an almost non existent roll and wasnt winning much if anything.

I havent seen or talked to him in a while but I know he finally got a real job. I'm assuming hes not playing anymore since I haven't seen him.
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Old 06-09-2017, 08:16 AM   #45
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I haven't been on 2+2 in about as long as I haven't been to nit city. Got bit bad by the 4 card bug and can't enjoy holdem any more unless stacks are deep which doesn't occur often at my ex-home court. Is that pineapple game still running? Can't imagine cricket has any money left.

I'm still curious as to who you are.
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Old 06-09-2017, 08:42 AM   #46
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I haven't been on 2+2 in about as long as I haven't been to nit city. Got bit bad by the 4 card bug and can't enjoy holdem any more unless stacks are deep which doesn't occur often at my ex-home court. Is that pineapple game still running? Can't imagine cricket has any money left.

I'm still curious as to who you are.
Wow, you missed all the juicy gossip then! Nobody has seen or heard from Cricket since December. There were rumors running rampant that he was murdered. Nobody was able to find any info about that. He may have just skipped town. He owed a lot of people money. You would've had to be an idiot to lend that guy money. The other rumor was that he was mixed up with drugs and/or stolen phones and phone parts. One way or the other, hes gone from the poker scene.

Ive only seen you once in several months and you were playing PLO at the Kennel Club. I didnt want to interrupt you just to introduce myself, but I will if I catch you while you're not playing. Im not sure you'll remember me though. I think we've played twice together for a total of like 2 hrs. We did sit right beside each other once about 8 months ago and talk about a couple hands though.

The Pineapple game moved to the Creek and last I heard it was still running.

The Isle is definitely nit city. I made a post calling it the toughest poker room in the US. Obviously I havent played in every room in the country, but its hard for me to believe there very many places harder to pull money out of than the Isle. There are sooooo many OMCs, rocks and nits during the day time. They arent hard to beat but winning a pot big enough to need 2 hands to drag takes an act of god. The evening games are a lot better for sure. I can only imagine how much more I would win if I lived close to PBKC. I just have too many other family things going on to drive that far very often.
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SB ($500) calls and The Kid ($900) calls UTG. I cover them

Flop ($75) QcTd2h. Checks around
Turn ($75) 2s. They check to me, I bet $40. The kid calls
River ($155) 7d. He bets $95. I instacall and beat his 73.
sick play by the kid
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sick play by the kid
By "sick", I hope you mean bad, not good. He floated the turn OOP with no pair and no draw. Then he bet the river when he hit a 7 which would've made me fold if I had something like A high. Did he really think he was value betting the river against a hand like 55?

Basically the only street he played well was the flop when he checked.
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I guess Value although I didnt expect to get called. I thought it was pretty likely I was ahead. I really didnt expect him to have a hand that good. Was he planning on check/folding if he didnt hit a pair? Cuz I was shoving almost any flop which means I win long term.
if you're shoving for value and you don't expect to get called, is it really for value? hard to come up with a range of worse hands that will call that size bet (that is, if you think he's calling a 3bet pre and a shove post with QT).

seems like you're shoving AJ here as a bluff and trying to fold out maybe QQ. imo, it's too narrow a range to try and bluff. meanwhile his 3b calling range has all sorts of AK/KQ that will never fold on the flop.

all-in-all, not a fan of that AJ hand on the flop.
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Old 06-09-2017, 10:19 AM   #50
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if you're shoving for value and you don't expect to get called, is it really for value? hard to come up with a range of worse hands that will call that size bet (that is, if you think he's calling a 3bet pre and a shove post with QT).

seems like you're shoving AJ here as a bluff and trying to fold out maybe QQ. imo, it's too narrow a range to try and bluff. meanwhile his 3b calling range has all sorts of AK/KQ that will never fold on the flop.

all-in-all, not a fan of that AJ hand on the flop.
Agreed for the most part, although dont you think there's some value in the fact that if people know Im shoving most any flop once I make a play like this preflop that they cant call with very many hands at all? I should have extra FE if they know Im shoving the flop, unless they have a premium pocket pair. I mean if I was in this spot as villain, I wouldve folded or 4 bet shoved all in preflop.

I only made the play because I was pretty sure the button was raising very lite. I was right about that but obviously wasnt expecting a blind to have AK here and even if he does, he will be folding the flop like 60% of the time. Probably more since I have an ace.

This argument is moot here since this guy isnt a regular. I just meant in general as there were some regs at the table.

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