There are that many rich farmers? John Cougar would have you believe all farmers are broke.

Yes. Land values skyrocketed. They didn't get rich off farming they got rich off land.

So then they are rich ex-farmers.

Had another very good session today. Its Saturday. They were having a big High Hand promo today which brought the fish out in droves.

1) UTG fish limps. I raise to $25 JcJs. Only UTG calls
Flop ($55) 9s5s2s. He checks. I bet $35. He check raises to $100 with another $165 behind. I shove all in. He tank/folds and says he had 2 pair. If he did, hes worse than I thought in more ways than 1.

2) MP opens to $20. Fish from hand #1 calls. 1 more caller. Im in the BB with KK and 3 bet to $120. Only the fish calls. He calls $110 all in with AT. I bust him.

3) Same fish limps UTG again. UTG+1 is a decent TAG. He raises to $15. He has a couple obvious sizing tells and one fo them is he raises limpers to $15 with some speculative hands, not premiums. Ive 3 bet him 3 times in similar spots. He called the first 2 times and check/folded the flops.

I 3 bet him to $55 with Ts7s. UTG fish and the TAG both call.
Flop ($170) 9s6s3d. They check to me. I bet $100. UTG calls HU with $125 behind.
Turn ($370) 7c. He checks. I shove. He calls with As4s. Im about 73% favorite but he rivers an Ace.

4) 2 limps including same fish who now has some chips. I raise to $30 QQ. My favorite fish calls HU.
Flop ($70) QJ3. He checks. I bet $60. He calls.
Turn ($190) 5. He checks. I bet $125. He folds.

5) Different table...EP limps. Solid player makes it $25 in the cutoff. Button calls. I call JJ SB. BB and the EP limper call also.
Flop ($125) Jd8d3s. Im putting the solid cutoff on a real hand here. I lead out for $50 thinking that the cutoff will raise. I might even induce a bluff raise. I also may be able to trap some money in between myself and the cutoff (2 players in between us). They fold though. Now the cutoff raises to $225 and it folds back to me. I shove for $520 total. He calls with 88. I wasnt expecting that but obviously I'll take it.

Remember, Im only posting interesting or big hands. There are plenty of times I raise QTs or AK or TT or whatever and have to give up when the flop misses me. I hit a couple flushes in unremarkable hands. I missed a few flushes after making some semi bluff raises...ect

Over all I ended up +$975

The T7 hand is pretty bad


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I realize T7s isnt a premium hand or a standard hand to be 3 betting with, but UTG+1 and I were $850 effective. Ive established a pattern with him. He raises $15 after a limper or 2 with non premium hands and raises $25 or more with premiums. I haven't seen a showdown yet but I assume he has things like JTs or small to mid pairs. So far he has always called my 3 bet and folded the flop. Thats a pretty exploitable pattern.

I didnt expect UTG to cold call my 3 bet, but after he did, I hit a big flop. Id say I played it well from there so Im fine with it.

The fact that UTG is short and a fish make the iso a poor play IMO.

And your read is based off of 3 previous hands. Not sure that gives you a locked in read. Also there is little in the pot. I'd be more inclined to 3b him with more dead money in there ie a call or two. Pre just seems like massive FPS.

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Fair enough

My read is not based off of 3 hands. Ive 3 bet him 3 times when he made this play, but Ive watched a lot of his hands when he raised to $15 after a limper or 2.

I've read most of the hh in this thread , there is absolutely no way this is toughest room in s florida.
If it were the toughest good players would make you pay dearly for all your limping mistakes.

You just wouldn't be able to get away with the things you do in tough line ups.

I think your perception of tough opponents is skewed due to living in Florida.
Just my opinion.

T7s hand looks fine/standard/whatever/notabigdealanywayyoucutit

Is he still playing 1/2? I gotta be honest with you, I've yet to play in a 2/5 or lower game where I can't get away with open limping. In these low stakes games players either regularly limp along to see a flop or they regularly raise over your limp with an exploitably wide range of hands with seemingly no clue as to which hands you might limp 3bet with.

Above 2/5, I'd agree that open limping in certain lineups is ill advised. However, this is low stakes we are talking about where even the grinders are terrible at poker.

BTW, you called it a mistake but it's not necessarily a mistake if you get away with it.

Up and down session today that ended with a $315 win after 4 hours. It felt like I lost though because I was up $925 at one point.

I sat at a new table as it opened.

A maniac sat 2 seats to my left. Not the ideal spot for this guy but whatever. This guy is 100% without a doubt the biggest maniac out of maybe 300-400 2/5 players in this room. There may be more than that many. I really have no idea but its a big room.

He played 1 hour and dropped $2200 and that's nothing out of the ordinary. If he runs hot he will build a huge stack now and then, but we all know these guys lose big long term. He only plays weekends and mostly Sundays.

1) Maniac is already stuck $1200ish and just lost a big pot last hand. UTG limps. I limp AA UTG+1 expecting some fireworks. Maniac just limps though. Now the biggest nit in the history of poker raises to $40. It folds back to me. The Nit has $450. The maniacs chips are spread around about as messy as his poker game but it looks like he has about $225ish. He already has some chips in his hand to call so I flat call. The maniac calls as expected. Theres no doubt in my mind the nit has KK/QQ....or even the other AA.

Flop ($140) 6c4d2c. I check. The maniac tosses in almost all of his greens which ends up being $150. The nit calls. I crai. They both call.

Turn Ts
River 6d....and MHIG. The nit who is a multimillionaire real estate guy confirmed he had KK and commented that the maniac cost him money. Trust me, he would folded to my crai if he hadnt already called the maniacs $150. He's a nits nit.

2) Maniac loses a few more big pots raising middle pair, pounding a turn with nothing after a flush hits and garbage like that.

UTG limps. I limp 88 OTB. I should be raising there but limped. SB calls. The maniac is in the BB and shoves $85. UTG folds. I call HU. I beat his AJ and he left.

3) I open QQ $20 in EP. A bad tight passive guy calls and a good tricky 5/10 player calls.
Flop ($65) Jc4d3d. I bet $50. They both call.
Turn ($215) Js. Blah....I check. Passive guy checks and then the 5/10 player bets $120. Hes tricky enough to bet the FD here but I let it go. I think hes going to fire away on the river no matter what.

4) 1 EP limp. I go $25 KcKs. Fish calls in SB. BB calls. Limper calls.
Flop ($100) Qd8s3s. SB leads $60 with $120 behind. It folds to me. I call
Turn ($220) 9c. He shoves. I call.
River ($460) 6s. He has Qd7d.

5) EP limp. TAG UTG+1 makes his first $15 raise of the day. Hes been raising a standard $20-$25. We are about $1100 effective. LP fish calls. I 3 bet to $60 with 86s and everyone folds.

6) I open to $20 KcQs in EP. Fish OTB and the BB call. BB is not very good overall but hes semi capable and mixes it up quite a it.
Flop ($60) Qd9dTc. BB checks. I bet $40. They both call.
Turn ($180) 4s. Im not crazy about this flop with 2 callers so I check for pot control. Button checks.
River ($180) Ah. BB leads $50. I call and button folds.

I love to hear comments on this one. I cant decide if the turn check is a disgrace or not.

7) MP limps. Button limps. I complete QhJd SB.
Flop ($20) Qc9s6c. I check and it checks to the button who gets $25. This guy on the button bets when hes last to act probably 80% of the time. He can have absolutely anything including nothing. I call and we're HU.
Turn ($70) Qs. Hmmm. I really dont want him checking behind if he has the FD but I dont want him folding the entire rest of his range either so I check. He checks back.
River ($70) 6s. He probably has nothing so I check. he bets $30. I check raise to $80 hoping he hit the backdoor FD. He reraises me to $180. WTF?

Did he really reraise me with a flush on a double paired board? He shouldnt have Q9 or 66 here and check behind on the turn. I cant imagine he will call a shove so I just called just in case he had me beat. He had 65. LOL

8) Here's the most interesting hand of the day. 2 limps. MP raises to $15. SB calls. I call BB 8c6c. This is probably marginal OOP but Im guessing both limpers will also call and they do.
Flop ($75) Kc7c4s. I have a FD and gutshot. SB leads $35. I call as does 1 limper.
Turn ($180) Td. Now I have a FD and double gutshot. SB bets $50 with $380 total. That's a pretty small bet. I have odds to call but if I raise I can fold out a bigger FD and I should have pretty decent FE against the SB. I mean what does he have here? KQ?

I normally default to the lower variance route and just call but this time I decided to raise to $200. It folds back the SB who shoves. UGH!. Obviously I have to call now. Its $180 to me with a $760 pot.
River ($940) 2d.....FML....He had KK. If you put him on KK, Im calling you a liar. Sure he couldve had 77 or 44 but its a pretty rare player who leads with a set. Almost no bad players do it.

Ive played 2/5 in 21 different rooms in 8 states in the past 18 months. I get away with limping all over the country. There is plenty of limping in 2/5 games. There's just not very many people playing 2/5 who iso raise just for the sake of iso raising a limper. They raise when they have a raising hand. When theres a guy with position on me raising a good amount, I dont limp.

I rarely limp when I play 5/10. Why? Because I cant get away with it. As long as I can get away with limping and outplaying people post flop I will continue to do it and its not a mistake.

Trust me when I tell you this is the toughest room in S. Florida it is. Its already been confirmed by 2 other S. Florida regs in this thread and I know plenty of other regs who play here less and less every day....which eventually will make the room easier, but for now though its tougher (in a sense of lower win rate) mostly because the non pro regs are decent or less bad than most places. The room is loaded with old nitty retirees. At least during the daytime. Evenings are a different story.

P.S. There are also times when I limp and have to fold to a raise behind me. But Im obviously not going to post those HHs. What sense would that make. You're only seeing hands where I limp and see a flop and there's a HH worth posting.

I think the hours you play(daytime) and the players knowing you and your style contribute to a lower winrate.
Assuming you don't run bad and are a winning player, anybody's win rate is going to be higher in a new room at first.
A good rule of table changing at your home casino is to keep changing tables until at least 4 people don't know you.
Again this is just my opinion.

I bet I could come to your casino and prop bet you my win rate would be higher than yours in my first 200hrs.
After that amount of time I would not be willing to bet.

Hmmmm. Im not sure about that. I mean its possible that a person will make less money when playing all the time in the same place, but I still get paid off by lots of guys I play with every day. I also dont play ABC so that may have some thing to do with that.

When you play as much poker as I do, you can tell how much of your win rate is related to beating donks, running hot, playing well ect.

The play I see at my main room on evenings and weekends is similar to what I see on other S. Florida rooms all the time.. day or night. Weekday daytime games in my main room are littered with nits and OMCs. The difference is like night and day. Anyone can see it easily. There's just a lot more retirees playing during the day where I play and the other rooms are closer to less affluent areas with more people that you can tell are less educated. Its like the difference between shopping at Walmart and Whole Foods. Take a look at the people in those places and tell me theres a not a big difference.

I'm not sure what the min and max is in your room, but if the play is deep I would rather play against OMC's and nits.
If it's 100 big blind poker, not so much.

"A maniac sat 2 seats to my left. Not the ideal spot for this guy but whatever. This guy is 100% without a doubt the biggest maniac out of maybe 300-400 2/5 players in this room. There may be more than that many. I really have no idea but its a big room."

Is this still the Isle? If so, you have that many 2/5 players in the pool? I think you might be at HR today or other? Dunno. Haven't played Hollywood HR.

In hand 8 if you are raising to fold out bigger flush draws then you should shove. You didn't raise enough to make KQ, AK, or a flush draw fold.
His bet was designed to do exactly what it did, to get you to make a mistake.

Btw villain can have a set easy in that hand. I'm not saying I put him on Kk but a set is definitely in his range.
Trying to get villains to fold top pair good kicker ( which was the very bottom of villains range ) is not a good idea in live poker.

To be fair though I can't say I wouldn't have done the same with your hand, but I probably raise flop and shove on turn,

Yeah the $200 sizing is really bad and you obviously didn't think through the hand fully because if you had you would have shoved (considering you aren't folding to a shove anyways) (raised larger at least..not sure effective stack sizes with the 3rd player).

Its 100BBs

Nothing wrong with shoving, but most people who bet $35 on the flop and then $50 on the turn (into $180) aren't calling a raise to $200. I think raising flop and shoving turn are fine as well.

I tend to raise a lot of draws to get people to fold the best hand a lot of the time when they make a weak bet (that normally means their hand isnt strong). Most of the time they make these weak bets, they are giving me correct odds to call with my draw like he did here. This time I wish I had just called the turn and taken the odds he gave me.

His $50 bet wasn't designed to have me make a mistake. He called a $15 preflop raise with KK OOP with 3 other guys likely to call. You think he knows what hes doing? He gave me almost 5:1 odds to call the turn.

After the hand I realized this was the same guy that I once played pot control with AQ on a AKQ4Q board. I forget the action but he had limp/called my raise and I knew he had AA/KK and I was right.

I think some of you guys' opinions of the poker room (and my play) are being influenced by the HHs I post kind of like people are influenced by the way ESPN edits poker broadcasts.

Today I opened 88 to $20 in MP. I got 3 bet to $65 by the SB and I folded. I didnt list that one. Its boring. Leaving hands like that out probably make you think I limp way too much.

I opened to $20 with 55 in the HJ. BB called. Flop T33. He check/folded to my $30 bet.

There are lots of hands like that I havent posted.

I opened to $20 in the HJ with 96s and stole the blinds
I raised a limper to $25 with 99 and took it down preflop

Button straddle. I raised to $40 99. Cutoff and button both called.
Flop ($125) JT5. I check and they both check back.
Turn ($125) 8. I check. Cutoff bets $80. Button folds. I think for a while and decide Im never ahead of this super passive guy and dont have odds to call so I fold. He shows QQ.

Same guy min raises UTG. I 3 bet him to $55 with K8s OTB because I know he min raises with small pairs and suited aces and he wont call. He folds and I take it down. There are lots of non standard plays like that I doubt anyone wants to read about, but show Im not just limping all day trying to hit flops.

How are 3 other players likely to call when he is the small blind?
You are the only player to act behind him.
If he raises, chances are he only wins 15$ with KK. That is if you fold and original raiser folds.
I prefer raising but it doesn't seem like a terrible play