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Originally Posted by John from Google
The thing that doesn't make sense to me is that you admitted that you never read a poker book and never really studied the game from a mathematical perspective, and yet you claim to know what "ABC" poker is.
How can you say your method is "unorthodox" when you don't know what "orthodox" actually is?
Take for example of the hand:
"I open to $20 in MP with AsKd. Cutoff, button and BB call.
Flop ($80) Ad 7d 4s. BB checks. Just about everyone will bet here. I have a strong hand and I need to make FDs and hands like 76 pay to draw. That is obvious. Anyone who has played poker longer than a few minutes knows that. I know.
Betting something like $55-$60 is totally standard. I would do that most of the time. But heres something to think about. These are all pretty good players in the hand. They all know that if I bet I have an ace. Im not going to bet this flop into 3 players without an ace or a set. I wont get called by much of anything other than a flush draw or an ace.
I think there is merit in checking here occasionally to let someone else bet a worse hand or catch a 2nd best hand on the turn. So I checked and it checked thru. Most people will say this is a disaster. No, its not a disaster. Another diamond on the turn will suck, but its not a disaster especially when I have the Kd."
The main reason why you bet isn't just to charge draws, it is also to collect equity, and avoid reverse implied odds.
Do you think a hand such as 22/33/55/66/88/99 is calling another dime even if you check the flop? So if you are not making another dollar by checking, why would you give them a chance to actually win the pot for free?
What about hands like 89ss, JTss, and some other backdoor draws? Do you think they will call a bet if turn is a 2h? Same concept applies for small PP as it does here.
Not to mention that you are OOP against 2 players and that if they are indeed good players, there are a ton of cards on the turn that they can apply pressure. It won't be as simple as bet and collect money just because you think your hand is "disguised" by checking.
You were talking smack about players complaining about running into top of people's range and dismissing them as running bad, and yet on the flip side, you are arguing that your line is profitable because you're projecting people playing at the bottom of their range. You don't see the hypocrisy because you cannot identify fallacies in your own thinking.
ABC poker isn't just "bet when you're ahead" and "check or fold when you are behind." Only reason why you think you're special is because just as you are projecting players playing at the bottom of their range, you are pigeonholing complex poker math as some sort of simplified model of bet and fold. Therefore by you "thinking" more than just "math tells me to bet here," you think you are unorthodox, even though you have very little clue of what math actually tells you to do.
You come off kind of condescending to be honest, checking flop is fine especially multiway and with Kd, and he did get paid by 99. You'd be amazed how much people spaz against checks/ small cbets in live poker.
Especially since you berated a hand that was actually played well tbh. I actually think Mike's line is a standard 'online' play and maybe a non-standard live play