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Old 11-12-2019, 10:02 PM   #301
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OK I take back what I said about not saying anymore. Nick's CFP is a ****ing scam and the reason his players are losing is the second you spot one they can be instantly wrecked. If you are playing and you play close attention to your tables it is not that hard to identify one even in an anonymous pool (like 500z on ign...there are big tells people have). Didn't take a long amount of time to reverse engineer their standard lines and really start crushing those weak regs.

The arrogance of people associated with him to come in here and basically insult everyone in the thread who doesn't want to just give him their database is ****ing stunning. When you ask someone for something for free (that is potentially detrimental to them), the burden is on YOU to show why the other people should participate. If someone is hesitant you don't go "OMG we are geniuses (and the best) you are hurting poker and stupid if you don't agree with us also our guy Patrick you've never heard of??? He's the nuts!"

I saw your guys MTT CFP "deal" and it is a ****ing disgusting attempt to suck the blood out of poker community like a bunch of mosquitoes.

PMs open if you wanna know more happy to share my NL500-2000 2019 ignition graph etc.. Coaching rate $175/hr. I will give a 65% discount if you play on apps where Nick sends his stable. Get on that higher paradigm.
lmao. got no fight in this but this is the 2p2 i remember of old. keep it up
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:47 AM   #302
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There's definitely a lot of very strong new players this year. There's certainly people playing on rented accounts (that are human) but can guarantee there is a huge software assisted problem at the moment too. Game quality on the site is extremely poor compared to early 2018 (night and day).
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:49 AM   #303
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I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt earlier but for radio to come out and say that datamined stars hands or whatever is more valuable to him than hands from the site/stakes (with revealed hole cards!!) NH's stable primarily plays in is just completely ridiculous. The analysis of a database with revealed hole cards is just so much more helpful as it gives you player ranges in any spot (not just frequencies) and will lead to much stronger exploits preflop and on the flop/turn.
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:24 AM   #304
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Nick has lost the plot if he's expecting anyone to send a single hand.
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Old 11-13-2019, 02:28 AM   #305
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sending him hands seems suicidal to me
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Old 11-13-2019, 02:29 AM   #306
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but but what if he promises?
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Old 11-13-2019, 03:06 AM   #307
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I'm not sure why I am even responding to this, but these comments are super tilting so here it goes:

1. If you aren't comfortable sending your database, just send a graph. Nick said either is fine.

2. If you did send Nick your Ignition database, it's impossible for him to "exploit you" with it. This isn't how database analysis works. I know because I currently do all the database analysis for Poker Detox. (I am Nick's brother.) Here is my journal on RIO: https://www.google.com/search?q=mobi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

For any meaningful analysis you need at least 20M hands, but upwards of 100M is ideal. You can currently buy 20M hands for a few hundred bucks on various sites. Poaching 250-500k hands at a time from individual players is totally ridiculous from a cost effectiveness standpoint.

Furthermore, there's usually no way to exploit an individual person on an anonymous site. You can't even see who anyone is, let alone know when they are playing. What do you think is going to happen?

3. There is a huge ethical difference between buying hands on a website that everyone has access to and hijacking someone's poker journal on 2p2 to steal data from individual players. If you think this is what successful poker players spend their time doing, I feel bad for you.

If I thought your comments were just jabs at Nick, I would leave them alone. But this type of paranoia actually has a negative impact on the entire poker community. Saying stuff like this reduces the chance of a meaningful investigation happening, if such an investigation is necessary.

To the OP, sorry for the derail.
Absolutely ridiculous post for many reasons.

1) Feel free to pm me that large database of recent highstakes ignition hands and Ill happily send that 2 hundred over.

2) Needing upwards of 100 million hands ..but okay 20 million at very minimum. I mean the game has advanced quite a bit in a short time ... hands from 2016 are not as valuable as hands from 2019 etc etc ... so when you are talking about requiring ridiculous aggregated samples for any meaningful analysis ... get real bro.

3) Who ever is getting//got database coaching from you --- probably a good time to ask for your money back.
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:35 AM   #308
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There's definitely a lot of very strong new players this year. There's certainly people playing on rented accounts (that are human). Game quality on the site is extremely poor compared to early 2018 (night and day).
This.

The ignition games have for the longest time been exceptionally good. Where most other sites got tougher, ignition stayed profitable. You can take a look at some of the graphs posted in here for proof. Achievable winrates at the highest stakes on this network are in the double digits. There are many, many recreational players. The majority of 5/10 - 10/20 regulars were also playing an old school style of poker that wouldn't get them very far on a 'normal' site.

In the last 6 - 12 months the high stake ignition games have been receiving an increased amount of exposure on popular poker training sites. Everyone wants to play in those games. I can tell you for example that there has been a big increase in illegal VPNing from Europe. A popular CFP group also helps it's members to play in those games illegally.

PokerStars also reducing its table cap to 4 in August hasn't helped. I can assure you a few of those regs have been making up volume on ignition with very good results. Another poster also mentioned the influx of Russian regs. I think you can see where this is going.

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- Ignition is undoubtedly tougher than it was in 2018
- Increased number of illegal VPNs and accounts
- Increased number of CFP Groups

I also find it laughable how a stable who relies on mass database population exploits is no longer winning at high stakes and proceeds to request random users for hand histories, stating "This isn't how database analysis works.". Excellent.

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Old 11-13-2019, 03:39 PM   #309
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I welcome the investigations but ppl like Saulo should be disclosing their affiliation with Nick before defending Nick and co.
anyway super good games don't usually last that long these days. I am certainly not denying cheating but games have gotten tougher for sure and there is real time assistance etc. as well by some players
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Old 11-13-2019, 05:28 PM   #310
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I welcome the investigations but ppl like Saulo should be disclosing their affiliation with Nick before defending Nick and co.
anyway super good games don't usually last that long these days. I am certainly not denying cheating but games have gotten tougher for sure and there is real time assistance etc. as well by some players
lol what? I have no business affiliation with Nick whatsoever. No idea where you got that from. I also have no intention of defending anyone, and again no clue how you concluded that. All I said is that it's funny to see so much fear out of confusion. I have worked with DB analysis for 2 years now. Thinking that a few hundred thousand hands (specially from ignition where there is no way to filter fish from reg data) are worth anything in that context is just absolutely dellusional, and the only reason I posted is because I'm interested in the results of the investigation and I think the more people collaborating the more chances we have to achieve something with it.

You should check your facts before saying bullshit about other people.



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Old 11-13-2019, 05:37 PM   #311
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I welcome the investigations but ppl like Saulo should be disclosing their affiliation with Nick before defending Nick and co.
anyway super good games don't usually last that long these days. I am certainly not denying cheating but games have gotten tougher for sure and there is real time assistance etc. as well by some players
A bunch of people try to slander Nick and his team, their behaviour was unprovoked. I think Saulos defending him was jusitfied. I dont get why you need to hate on people that is trying to solve a big issue.

He didnt force anyone to send their hands, Nick has also been in the business far longer than the haters in here and I never heard a bad word about him tbh.
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:18 PM   #312
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Is anyone in Nick's CFP beating Pokerstars, WPN, or Party Poker 5/10+ anywhere near the winrates they were beating ignition for?

Nick's CFP were exploiting a great spot for a long time, and want to try to figure out why they're not winning anymore. Something fishy could definitely be up with ignition, and it's good that an investigation is happening. But while blaming superuser accounts is much easier, the far more likely outcome are the mostly North American based players in Nick's CFP just aren't that good at poker in 2019 in a worldwide pool.

To add more samples to the discussion, I know 9 players that play ignition 2/5+, including myself. 8 players are still beating ignition for healthy winrates over the past year, and at least 7/8 players are up money over the last 3 months.
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Old 11-13-2019, 06:41 PM   #313
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Saulo, so you sent your DB to Nick right?

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Must literally be blind and deaf then.

I would bet money no one in Nick's CFP is playing those games. Or even 200 fast fold on party. They just play soft pools (Ignition, China apps, etc.).

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Old 11-13-2019, 06:48 PM   #314
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bang bang
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:09 PM   #315
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Saulo, so you sent your DB to Nick right?
I would if I had one, but I play midstakes not high stakes.
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:10 PM   #316
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Every little bit helps the uhh investigation
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:17 PM   #317
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That's what I thought. ****ing rekt. Go back to the NH circlejerk groups.
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I mean, wouldn't it? Surely there are cheaters/card sharers at MSNL as well as HSNL?
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:21 PM   #318
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derailing the **** out of one of the few threads left I read on this site. smh



gl going forward and congrats on all the good work.
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:43 PM   #319
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That's what I thought. ****ing rekt. Go back to the NH circlejerk groups. I mean, wouldn't it? Surely there are cheaters/card sharers at MSNL as well as HSNL?
Pretty silly way to try and discredit my argument. You know you are clueless about the DB stuff but this is your way to hold onto your pride. Well done. The investigation has always been about HSNL, not MSNL, and Nick made it pretty clear when he contacted me over a month ago. Anyways, you can go back to being afraid of Nick knowing that the pool of fishes+reg folds 45% to 3bets lmao sorry OP for derailing the thread so much

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Old 11-14-2019, 04:52 AM   #320
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For justice, we must go to Nick Howard.
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Old 11-14-2019, 09:59 AM   #321
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tbh the nick howard regs are the only fish left on the site
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Old 11-14-2019, 10:00 AM   #322
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At this point wouldn't it make sense to create a new thread for all this somewhere more appropriate than Ola's awesome PG&C? Understandable it started here, that seemed organic, but now that it is becoming a full on debate/investigation, seems like there are probably better places for it.
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Old 11-16-2019, 12:01 AM   #323
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Ola, This is one of the coolest, saddest, and most inspiring threads I’ve ever read. Not with just poker, but life.

I reread that recent degen story post twice over. What a wild ride.

Hope you’re doing good man. Thanks for sharing all this with us.
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Old 11-17-2019, 08:58 PM   #324
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Is there a chat group discussing this? I am 1k reg and have similar experiences in recent months. Please PM me.
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Old 11-20-2019, 10:50 AM   #325
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Most every day is the same - I wake up refreshed, positive, and ready to go, then get progressively frustrated throughout the day by losing pots as a favorite.
Christ, this hit me hard. For a month and a half now I feel like 90% of my sessions are in the red but I just try to play every pot as best I can.

There have been so many days where I follow my routine, speak my daily phrase 3 times out loud, recite my top 8 mistakes 3 times, follow along with a you tube breathing exercise video. Do some HH review with a friend. Feel super pumped to get going.

Then the first 30 minutes of the session you win buy in after buy in, you are up 6 BI's, 8 BI's. Then ever so slowly until that 3rd hour of the session you bleed and bleed and bleed and you end up -1 BI. These sessions are the absolute worst. Instead of being 6 or 8 or 10 or more BI's you end up down 1 or 2 or 3 BI's.

I'd much rather just start the session plummeting than getting my hopes up lol

Gonna finish reading the thread, I saw your sick graphs in the beginning than I saw your later posts and I haven't figured out yet what the whole story is.
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