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Originally Posted by El P
the final season of entourage sucked so much. do yourself a favour and dont watch it. it sullied the rest of the show for me.
not the first time I've heard this unfortunately
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Originally Posted by dogarse
What do you think SBs range for a cold 4bet there is? Is it ever AJ/TT or worse? Do you think you can ever get away from JJ here?
I thought about this alot yesterday and wrote down my thoughts so I can post it on my stable forum/show my coach, so i'll just paste what I wrote.
The following is all under the assumption he actually has KK+ (QQ was one of the possibilities)
he knows If he
flats the 14.4k that he
- is most likely going to see a 4 way flop (atleast 3way) with the best hand, and 60k(ish) in the middle (with 100k behind)
- can look like he's set mining/underreps his hand, as opposed to cold 4betting the sb, which looks super strong and is such an action killer. Why would he kill all the action and turn his hand face up when he's actually got the rockets or the cowboys... he doesnt need to protect his hand and the pots going to be bloated enough to get it in on flop anyway
- he gives us the option to 4b jam (which I would be doing with AQs+/TT+) the original 3better wasn't really a concern and had been playing aggro, 3 betting alot. so yeah, I would be 4b jamming as light as this... if villain flatted
- he can safely check jam almost every single flop and pick up more money when someone cbet/folds or cbet/calls his jam.
- his check jam range on the flop becomes a lot wider when he flats pre instead of cold 4betting.
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All of this obviously relies on the fact that villain is a good/thinking player, which in this case he was. and yeah, when he cold 4bets the sb, he's aware how strong he looks. He would obv be expecting me and the flatter to be folding almost every single time, so it's a good spot to do what he did, because afterall, it almost folded out jacks... it's such a good looking spot to cold 4b, if we were all deeper and he thought the 3better would fold, he could probably size it bigger and be profitable with any two cards.
I thought he had AJ+ KJ+ or QQ... a hand that had some good blockers and was also good enough to call me in the very rare scenario that I do 5b ship, because he doesn't have any fold equity if i do.
but yeah, JJ was really close. Could've played it safe and folded but went with my gut.
BUT, the part that confuses me is... he was good enough to know that 99% of the time when I fold, and action goes to the 3better, he is ALWAYS going to peel his 4b because he is in position and with such a big stack. So he has to be aware that most of the time he's going to be playing oop, in a bloated pot, with AQ against a huge stack.