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View Poll Results: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC ANNUAL EARNING OF AN "A" PLAYER GRINDING $1/$2NLHE?
LESS THAN $22K
392 12.65%
$22K TO $28K
453 14.61%
$28K TO $34K
504 16.26%
$34K TO $40K
528 17.03%
$40K TO $46K
295 9.52%
MORE THAN $46K
928 29.94%

07-17-2018 , 12:16 PM
What park was the robbery at?

Why can't you get a loan - is the house solely in Sara's name?
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07-17-2018 , 12:38 PM
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The windows up? Yes. The doors locked? No. I mean I’m only 30 yards away w my vision on it.*
you're a ****ing idiot, what the hell kind of excuse is this? Why NOT lock the damn doors? How is one any more convenient than the other?
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07-17-2018 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
you're a ****ing idiot, what the hell kind of excuse is this? Why NOT lock the damn doors? How is one any more convenient than the other?
Ur negativity is not needed here.
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07-17-2018 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry

Thoughts?
Sounds like a perfect solution to me.
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07-17-2018 , 01:38 PM
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you're a ****ing idiot, what the hell kind of excuse is this? Why NOT lock the damn doors? How is one any more convenient than the other?
+1

Would love to be a fly on the wall getting Sara to accept 3% over interest free.
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07-17-2018 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Thinking about stirring up some things.

Sure the #semitretired has been great. It’s both stressful and refreshing knowing small money coming in and small money gone. The frustration is...nothing been saved. The refreshing is...after a few months of break even poker still knowing I can get by. Not only get by, but also have lots of #semitreitred time to myself (for all things that don’t cost money lol...walks, hitting shag balls, tennis).

Shd I continued this route? Can I get to #Tesla/Buzz this way?

After I got robbed yesterday of my last dollars, I chilled in the park to really think about things. Those thoughts put me on the line with w banker. My question to banker was, “can I get an equity loan without showing income but my house paid off?” Lady says, “no, but just Sara’s cd”. Now my light bulb gets brighter...Mayb I can ask Sara if she cd get the loan for just the amount of money she owes me for house (100kish). Instead of paying me each month w no interest, pay the bank w 2.9%. She may go for it to get knowing she cd option for a lower monthly payment than the $700 she pays me each month.
I cd also pay that loan off once my money grows to a comfortable roll, and finance her again w no interest.

If we think this is a gd route; then need to lunchdate convo w Sara on her off day a Friday.
Or
Wait to see if we run up the $700 (house pay) +$100 (it will b her daycare week again) =$800 beginning of August?

Either way, I stay out of debt. Which is the key! W equity loan, I went get those $700 monthly payments for next 11 years. Instead have it all now.

Thoughts?
I like it.
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07-17-2018 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by seamsaclean
+1

Would love to be a fly on the wall getting Sara to accept 3% over interest free. Started with a <img /nl challenge, now we're here.
Rayz not locking his doors in this situation is completely standard. You cant live your life in a constant state of fear.

Also Sara is getting something for her 3%

Edit: well I guess u can and do live in that state...its just not Ray who is the Fing idiot
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07-17-2018 , 01:49 PM
In the plus robber was nice enough to only take the money.
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07-17-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
What park was the robbery at?

Why can't you get a loan - is the house solely in Sara's name?
Community Sam Pedan Park. He went flying down the hill that leads to 4H fairgrounds. My legs are spent today from that long ass sprint.

Both on the title. 5/3rd Bank Lady recommends it wd b a lot easier if just one name on the app that shows gd credit. Rather than me on there that shows no W2s and very little RTA money coming in. Plus, it wd b Sara’s loan anyway. Set it the exact amount that pays me off.
Why wd she go for 2.9% > no interested w me? It’s tricky spot. I wdnt do it, but she may rather pay bank than me. I don’t wanna do anything she doesn’t. I am still confident I’m gd how is. But having that $100k paid off wd feel gd, and cd get #Tesla now. And play @Clickpoker. Lol
•Still better rate than that of our original home mortgage.
•cd set it up to pay a cheaper monthly payment, yet a longer term.
•this money cd help my wealth grown. Once I get there cd pay off her loan and go back to original agreement ($700).
•????

Can qualify up to 90% home value and no fees. Not even the drive appraisal. She acted like $100k ish wd b easy.
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07-17-2018 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
plus robber was nice enough to only take the money.
Thought about that too
didn’t hv a debit card n there anyhow w no bank.
Did hv a couple small amounts left on gift cards.
It did save me the hassle of not having to get a new license.
That money was gonna help me pay for Mya’s driver Ed course ($415). Sad
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07-17-2018 , 03:57 PM
Why did you offer her an interest free loan in the first place?
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07-17-2018 , 09:45 PM
#1 Get a job for a few months until you've put aside $7k and do not play poker until you have the $7k (will probably only take you 3-4 months). Take $2k and buy a reliable car with good gas mileage, take the $5k and use as your poker roll. After a few months of working again, you will appreciate being retired even more than you do now.
#2 Practice self discipline and protect your bank roll. Keep your other revenue sources open and use that $$$ for real life stuff. Take 50% of poker profits and add to your bank roll, take the other 50% and put towards real life (Tesla, IRA, Disnew World, etc). In 3 years from now, you'll be driving your Tesla, still be debt free, have multiple revenue streams, have a retirement account, and be able to play any 2/5 game or medium tournament your heart desires.

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07-17-2018 , 09:56 PM
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Why did you offer her an interest free loan in the first place?
Not trying to make money off my gf.
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07-17-2018 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralphini
#1 Get a job for a few months until you've put aside $7k and do not play poker until you have the $7k (will probably only take you 3-4 months). Take $2k and buy a reliable car with good gas mileage, take the $5k and use as your poker roll. After a few months of working again, you will appreciate being retired even more than you do now.
#2 Practice self discipline and protect your bank roll. Keep your other revenue sources open and use that $$$ for real life stuff. Take 50% of poker profits and add to your bank roll, take the other 50% and put towards real life (Tesla, IRA, Disnew World, etc). In 3 years from now, you'll be driving your Tesla, still be debt free, have multiple revenue streams, have a retirement account, and be able to play any 2/5 game or medium tournament your heart desires.

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Respectfully, no. #Semiretired will not get a job. In addition, no job I can get will pay more than my long term hourly n poker & RTA. If Sara agrees, I can get my 100k that is owed to me & go much farther quicker. Don’t u think that is a better route?
Main thing is staying out of debt and #semiretired.

How come no one thought of the current idea of Sara getting a equity loan in her name to pay off her balance to me? We all wise folks and never was mentioned. I rather hv my $100k money now then spread over 11 years.
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07-17-2018 , 10:21 PM
If she doesn’t want to give up the interest free loan, maybe ask her to take only a 10 or 20k loan.

That would be a good idea.


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07-17-2018 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry

How come no one thought of the current idea of Sara getting a equity loan in her name to pay off her balance to me? We all wise folks and never was mentioned. I rather hv my $100k money now then spread over 11 years.
Since you're asking, you said so yourself you wouldn't do this if you were her. This is better for you than it is for her.

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07-17-2018 , 10:32 PM
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Respectfully, no. #Semiretired will not get a job. In addition, no job I can get will pay more than my long term hourly n poker & RTA. If Sara agrees, I can get my 100k that is owed to me & go much farther quicker. Don’t u think that is a better route?
Main thing is staying out of debt and #semiretired.

How come no one thought of the current idea of Sara getting a equity loan in her name to pay off her balance to me? We all wise folks and never was mentioned. I rather hv my $100k money now then spread over 11 years.


I think no one said it because it is not really different then you taking the loan which has been said. If she decides to walk away you end up having to pay the bank or sell the house. Your risk is the same either way. Might be easier for approval purpose with the bank but her taking a loan is effectively the same as you with regards to risk.

I am all for you taking a loan. I do not think you need 100k. Maybe ask her to take a 10 k personal loan or home eq loan and have her pay that off in exchange for 14 or 15 months of payments to you. 10 k should be enough breathing room for you to grind and take care of unexpected life stuff. Between 20 hrs ish of poker and RTA you should make plenty to fund the semi retired life.

Just don’t put it all on one penny stock or something crazy like that. Lol


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07-17-2018 , 10:55 PM
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I think no one said it because it is not really different then you taking the loan which has been said. If she decides to walk away you end up having to pay the bank or sell the house. Your risk is the same either way. Might be easier for approval purpose with the bank but her taking a loan is effectively the same as you with regards to risk.

I am all for you taking a loan. I do not think you need 100k. Maybe ask her to take a 10 k personal loan or home eq loan and have her pay that off in exchange for 14 or 15 months of payments to you. 10 k should be enough breathing room for you to grind and take care of unexpected life stuff. Between 20 hrs ish of poker and RTA you should make plenty to fund the semi retired life.

Just don’t put it all on one penny stock or something crazy like that. Lol


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I’m loving all the great posts. It’s gd to cover all sides. It cd b a turning point in this journey.

•agree it’s been said. But disagree on it bein the same. One puts me in debt and the other doesn’t. U all know by now, I don’t do debt.

•u nailed phase 2 of this potential plan. Don’t shoot! Been testing the great minds like @tswpoker1 and my tennis buddy Kiran on a few things. Trading stocks has been gd to me. Perhaps making money moves. Don’t shoot!
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07-17-2018 , 11:04 PM
My 2c to you is to study what u would do with those 100k once you have them, you are excellent at grinding out of holes always close to busto, and that's something that you uncounciously put yourself into again and again, proof mb is paying off the house to go again to 0 when your leverage is your bankroll and the decisions you make with it being a poker player with a family to take care of, as I see it having the house paid means nothing if you are in danger month after month, would only pay it off if I don't know what to do with my money, and even then I think it's bad given you can get better returns everywhere else, same with paying daycare in advance having close to no $ to save a couple hundred bucks, the golf backyard, etc...
Honestly wish you well, but I think you need to review the abc strat financially wise appart from the low stakes live grind that you have proven to do well at.

PS Have you thought about RE? I know ath atm etcetc but the system you have in America makes it a no brainer to get dozens of houses in a cpl of years and live the true retired life with the low interests and stupid downpayment, the refinance of the homes, rent prices, etc... Wish it was like that everywhere else
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07-17-2018 , 11:09 PM
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Respectfully, no. #Semiretired will not get a job. In addition, no job I can get will pay more than my long term hourly n poker & RTA. If Sara agrees, I can get my 100k that is owed to me & go much farther quicker. Don’t u think that is a better route?
Main thing is staying out of debt and #semiretired.

How come no one thought of the current idea of Sara getting a equity loan in her name to pay off her balance to me? We all wise folks and never was mentioned. I rather hv my $100k money now then spread over 11 years.
Normally I would say yes to the 100k, but in your circumstance, I think that you'd be better off using the monthly money she gives you to fund your life expenses. If you can take the 100k and invest and use as bank roll then obviously that will be a better financial move. Unfortunately, based off the last few months of this thread, I'm not sure you manage your money that well. Just dont want to hear you've taken out the 100k to buy a Tesla, build a tennis court or some other luxury and end up in the same situation as you are now only without that revenue stream. Whatever you decide, best of luck.

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07-17-2018 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
I’m loving all the great posts. It’s gd to cover all sides. It cd b a turning point in this journey.

•agree it’s been said. But disagree on it bein the same. One puts me in debt and the other doesn’t. U all know by now, I don’t do debt.

•u nailed phase 2 of this potential plan. Don’t shoot! Been testing the great minds like @tswpoker1 and my tennis buddy Kiran on a few things. Trading stocks has been gd to me. Perhaps making money moves. Don’t shoot!


Rayz lots of respect but imho your framing this debt thing in your mind incorrectly. Either way the bank can foreclose if payments are not made. If it is in her name or yours does not matter. Furthermore given she is on the title you two are in this together financially regardless. Her debt on the house is your risk and vise versa.

If the bank can foreclose on either of you it is the same risk. You two are taking on debt together regardless of who’s name is on the note.

If you want to be debt free there can not be a note on your house even if it is in someone else’s name...

I still think you should get a loan, grind to pay it back while maintaining a reasonable roll to cover life and variance. Poker should be a great part time gig.


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07-17-2018 , 11:33 PM
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Since you're asking, you said so yourself you wouldn't do this if you were her. This is better for you than it is for her.

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Ur correct. My goal wd b to eventually pay it off n 2-3 years and finance her agin (w no ir).
Not much incentive for her. Unless she can see bigger picture. What is bigger picture ? I know but hard to put in words.

Anyways, this idea was discussed some while we were on our neighborhood 1mule night walk. I started w me admitting to not planning accordingly last year ...explained to her that I didn’t factor n Uncle Sam payment enough.
After selling The Melody, selling shares of ENPH, and combining that w our poker chips before we got banned (25k ish)....Summing up all those funds to pay off house. At the time, I made sure to leave me w a 10k cushion for another poker run up. Few months pass...That run up never happened because it all went to Samz. Ever since then it has put me in a bad spot.
Went on assuring her I can get by as is currently, and eventually get the run up. Or, we can make things happen sooner. From there, I let her know that our original home loan was 4.7%, so still in a spot (2.9%) than if I never paid off house.
Only asking for what’s mine now instead of over the course of 11 years. Ball in her court. Didn’t press it much further.

Tomorrow I will get on computer and know exact up to date amount house agreement. We both enter in rent roll each month and update.
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07-17-2018 , 11:43 PM
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Rayz lots of respect but imho your framing this debt thing in your mind incorrectly. Either way the bank can foreclose if payments are not made. If it is in her name or yours does not matter. Furthermore given she is on the title you two are in this together financially regardless. Her debt on the house is your risk and vise versa.

If the bank can foreclose on either of you it is the same risk. You two are taking on debt together regardless of who’s name is on the note.

If you want to be debt free there can not be a note on your house even if it is in someone else’s name...

I still think you should get a loan, grind to pay it back while maintaining a reasonable roll to cover life and variance. Poker should be a great part time gig.


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K. I get what ur saying. I c. True
Sara is very responsible and she only carries house debt. She smart and looking forward to getting her half of house paid off when she turns 51ish. I am confident she wd fulfill her loan payments. We wanna get married and b n this tougher...fairly. Do realize “stuff” happens and u never know. Foreclosure never happen. I wd have money to pay and we cd sell the house in meantime. Worst case scenario, I am still getting my half from house.
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07-17-2018 , 11:45 PM
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Not trying to make money off my gf.
Interest free you are actually subsidizing her. At the very least you are losing money to inflation (and in reality much more than that as your EV from investing that money in an index fund and/or playing poker with it is much higher than inflation).
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07-17-2018 , 11:52 PM
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. Unfortunately, based off the last few months of this thread, I'm not sure you manage your money that well. Whatever you decide, best of luck.

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Oh, c’mon man. I got where am I because of exactly that...managing my money sooooooo well. I’m 42, no debt, nice paid house, nice toys...pool, putting green, pvg scooter, and $100k cash owed. C’mon.
Agree w ya on been making some buys lately on putting green when I shd b building a roll. But, we n a new phase of life...#semiretired. That putting green is the **** and it makes me happy. Happiness has much value.
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