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View Poll Results: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC ANNUAL EARNING OF AN "A" PLAYER GRINDING $1/$2NLHE?
LESS THAN $22K 285 12.79%
$22K TO $28K 352 15.79%
$28K TO $34K 381 17.09%
$34K TO $40K 370 16.60%
$40K TO $46K 202 9.06%
MORE THAN $46K 639 28.67%
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:40 PM   #501
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Ray....we have the worst bet action rules I have ever seen. I don't like his ruling. I hate that we can pick up a stack, drop whatever we want, and bring the rest back. Who else allows that ? I was the beneficiary once of one of the worst rulings I have ever seen. (Doug also). It was a big hand...I said " Doug, call Jimmy. I promise you that ruling is wrong." He refused. I got $800.The victim got a buffet when Jimmy showed up.
I'm not one to judge, but Doug is one of the biggest *******/douchebags I've ever met in my life. The guy thinks he's God's gift to that poker room and don't ever try to correct him, because he's always right. End of rant, keep up the good work Butterfly!
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:46 PM   #502
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how much have you made so far and whats your hourly?
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:43 AM   #503
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has been a pretty good thread, plz grind more tho dont be so lazy like most us poker players
Thanks @mcc3504 for this post! It has motivated me to log more hours. So I just wanted to say thanks for the motivation. Logged 12hrs today.
It was another gd day. Bought in for $300, lose a $100 in first hour, add another $100 to my stack, then just gradually stack build up to $1130. +$730.
I wish I had an interesting hand to share, but went pretty standard today.
back to back days of $700+. I was checking my cash data to see if I have done that this year, and found in March I had back to back sessions (not back to back days) of $800+ (dates 3/4 and 3/6). Going for back to back to back $700+ tomorrow. To be cont...
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:51 AM   #504
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how much have you made so far and whats your hourly?

Thanks @goo for checking out the thread. @johnnycasino thanks for the cheers! @flule22 thanks
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:10 AM   #505
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Just found this thread. Your consistency is inspiring. GL on the back end!
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:51 AM   #506
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:21 PM   #507
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@treefingers @skill_2106 thanks man. much appreciated.

Lose a measly -$25 only played 3hrs. not in right frame of mind. Thought it wd b best to come back tomorrow. In search of zen.

An interesting hand with smone who logs more hrs than anyone in that room, Jamal.
Button: Loose, losing player
Jamal: solid player, statistical, tag, uses buyn short strategy
$400 effective stack sizes
Button Straddle $5..im n sb w QQ and call (I realize a lot of my hand reviews involve QQ)... LB, Jamal, also smooth calls $5, and folded to button who sheepishly checks . I was expecting a raise, but didn't get one. So 3 handed to flop, and I bet $10 dark, trying to b perceived as gambling it up or bully. Jamal unexpectedly raises dark to $40. Flop is J27..button folds. I call the dark raise. The turn is smthing like a brick 3. I check, Jamal bets $60. Then I got to think more about this hand. Why wd Jamal dark raise flop? It's unlike him to do smthing like that. Then I thought about hands that I wd dark raise flop 3 handed,.. and fig only Aces, Kings, or AK wd be most likely. I fold to the $60 turn bet, he shows Kings. #feltsmart... I got to thinking,...If he doesn't blind raise flop, but instead raises "in the light". Then I most def call turn. #feltsmarter.

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Old 07-10-2013, 05:17 PM   #508
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Good fold!
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:18 PM   #509
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Also like this hand because it highlights some of the nuances at HSI that make it possible for a good player to make 40k at 1-2!
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:45 AM   #510
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measly
I want to retract my choice if word, "measly". From a poor guy, $25 is still a lot to me. Sorry

Getting ready to clock in. I'm 3rd on the list, and it looks like the same people I see every morning. Yesterday I had some stuff goin on n my brain that I felt I cdnt play my best. Today, I feel more at ease and hoping for a gd day. I never like to play poker if my body and mind isn't right...One hand played wrong can cost me hundreds of dollars. Yesterday after my short sesh, i went home and tried to run out the negativity I was feeling. After the 2mile run I felt a lot better. Then I got a lot of stuff done at the home front that made the ole lady love me a lil more (ie laundry, dishes, cut grass, pay bills, etc). Btw, my grass is looking sweeeet! I even took the time to spice it up and criss cross my front yard. Damn those lines n the yard gave me a body orgasm similar to flopping a set! so glad I went w Scott's this year to treat my lawn. Enough bout that, I got some gd sleep last night, and this morning I'm feeling more fresh than a dozen eggs bought from the Amish market. I found zen.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:32 PM   #511
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I just clocked ouy. I lose the max -$800 (per challenge). Don't feel so fresh anymore. The swings this week has been huge. sun -256, mon +779, tues +730, wed -$26, thurs -$800. 3 losses this wk, but luckily 2 big wins kept me n the black for the week. I don't want to see the felt until Sun or Mon. Gonna hv to let my anger out on the tennis courts this wkend.
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:29 PM   #512
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After a nice family dinner (grilled salmon, peas, and potatoes), its now time to unleash! My opponent better expect an increase of 5 more mph on the serve, after today's poker pitfall. Big brother 15 to follow. A lot of similarities between BB15 and poker, I think that's why I like that show so much. A lot of strategic mind games. About to put a mind game and physical beat down on of my own...Got to go, my opponent just rolled up.

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Sorry to hear about the bad session. Do you mind if I ask if you are playing any Denny Crum tournaments this month?
Enjoy the honesty, consistency of this thread. Keep up the good work!
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Old 07-12-2013, 03:15 PM   #514
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Care to go over your losing sesh? Itd be a nice change of pace.
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Old 07-13-2013, 01:24 PM   #515
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@ seemsclean its unclear at this moment.
@parellflux don’t mind at all. The losing sesh consisted of 3 hands that didn’t go my way, or I played badly.

1st hand). A couple limpers until Villain in mp ($240) makes it $7, I have AK ($280) and 3bet to $20 in Lp, Villain calls, and heads up to flop. Flop is K 9 4. Villain makes it $30, and I raise to $90, and he shoves all-in for $130 more. I call, and he shows 9 9 . Ace on turn. 2 on river.

2nd hand). Villain ($500) button straddles $10. Everyone folds to me in the HJ ($160) w 8 8 . I bet all in ONLY because I know this player will call w ANY 2. If I was facing a different player, I may just limp, or def a lot smaller raise. The flop is A 4 J. Turn 5. River A. He shows J 3.

3rd hand). I ($400) straddle $8 otb, LB/$300 calls (same villain in hand#2), Lp ($300) also calls. I raise to $55 w K10. LB calls, and Lp calls. Flop is Q 6 9. Check to me and I shove, Lb calls, and so does Lp. 10 on turn. 9 on river. LP shows AA.

These were the 3 crucial hands, that I either play badly or it didn’t go my way. I guess that is for u guys to decide. I realize I played all 3 of these hands pretty loose. Smtimes it works, and smtimes it doesn’t. In hand #1 after Villain leads out, I think a better line wd be to just call. But when the Ace hits the turn, the $ is going in any ways. Hand #2, there is no need to risk my stack just because I know he hill call w any 2 pf. Even though I want J 3 to call $160 pf, I cd hv play it more cautiously. Hand #3, mayb raise smaller ($40) pf if anything. That way I can just bet $200 on flop when it’s check to me. After 2 calls, it cd (?) then go check check on turn and river, and I can save $60.
I also had a lot of pocket pairs this session where I had to call $10-$20 pf, and not once flopped a set, or had any opportunities to go after the pot. Usually had to fold on flop, or turn. These hands bleeded easily $100 from me. Who do I have to "suck off" to hit a draw, or flop a set these days? 0 for month of July on flopping sets w pocket pairs, and hardly hitting any draws either.
my hourly dropped nearly a $1 on this horrendous session.
Last couple of days I took off to clear my head, and spend some qt w the fam. Wd love to book a win tomorrow to get off on the right foot this week. I may have to utilize the “Ole Early Morning Undefeated Routine” (pg 31 post #310). I think I will use the “OEMUR” tomo.
Thanks for the questions. and gl to you guys
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:42 PM   #516
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2nd hand). Villain ($500) button straddles $10. Everyone folds to me in the HJ ($160) w 8 8 . I bet all in ONLY because I know this player will call w ANY 2. If I was facing a different player, I may just limp, or def a lot smaller raise. The flop is A 4 J. Turn 5. River A. He shows J 3.
I failed to mention in this hand, Charlie shows his 3 and was getting ready fold pf. I showed him an 8 and he then decides to call. I was so happy to entice the call, but hated the beat.
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Isn't the Denny crum poker championships a charity tournament?
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@ seemsclean its unclear at this moment.
@parellflux don’t mind at all. The losing sesh consisted of 3 hands that didn’t go my way, or I played badly.

1st hand). A couple limpers until Villain in mp ($240) makes it $7, I have AK ($280) and 3bet to $20 in Lp, Villain calls, and heads up to flop. Flop is K 9 4. Villain makes it $30, and I raise to $90, and he shoves all-in for $130 more. I call, and he shows 9 9 . Ace on turn. 2 on river.

2nd hand). Villain ($500) button straddles $10. Everyone folds to me in the HJ ($160) w 8 8 . I bet all in ONLY because I know this player will call w ANY 2. If I was facing a different player, I may just limp, or def a lot smaller raise. The flop is A 4 J. Turn 5. River A. He shows J 3.

3rd hand). I ($400) straddle $8 otb, LB/$300 calls (same villain in hand#2), Lp ($300) also calls. I raise to $55 w K10. LB calls, and Lp calls. Flop is Q 6 9. Check to me and I shove, Lb calls, and so does Lp. 10 on turn. 9 on river. LP shows AA.

These were the 3 crucial hands, that I either play badly or it didn’t go my way. I guess that is for u guys to decide. I realize I played all 3 of these hands pretty loose. Smtimes it works, and smtimes it doesn’t. In hand #1 after Villain leads out, I think a better line wd be to just call. But when the Ace hits the turn, the $ is going in any ways. Hand #2, there is no need to risk my stack just because I know he hill call w any 2 pf. Even though I want J 3 to call $160 pf, I cd hv play it more cautiously. Hand #3, mayb raise smaller ($40) pf if anything. That way I can just bet $200 on flop when it’s check to me. After 2 calls, it cd (?) then go check check on turn and river, and I can save $60.
I also had a lot of pocket pairs this session where I had to call $10-$20 pf, and not once flopped a set, or had any opportunities to go after the pot. Usually had to fold on flop, or turn. These hands bleeded easily $100 from me. Who do I have to "suck off" to hit a draw, or flop a set these days? 0 for month of July on flopping sets w pocket pairs, and hardly hitting any draws either.
my hourly dropped nearly a $1 on this horrendous session.
Last couple of days I took off to clear my head, and spend some qt w the fam. Wd love to book a win tomorrow to get off on the right foot this week. I may have to utilize the “Ole Early Morning Undefeated Routine” (pg 31 post #310). I think I will use the “OEMUR” tomo.
Thanks for the questions. and gl to you guys
Hand 1: happy with the way you 3bet. Don't want the limpers. Like you said if it wasn't going in on the flop then it would be on the turn. I don't know anything about villain but considering the way you 3bet pre, then were re raised another 130 on the flop, I think we have to feel we have either the same hand or are crushed in this spot, unfortunately it was the latter.

Hand 2: fine. If you had a similar stack size to villain then you obviously don't make the move, but you read him well, just got unlucky.

Hand 3: I am in two minds about this hand. I don't like the repop to 55 with K10 especially against a player we know is loose as **** and another with a similar size stack as you. Once the flop comes down I would have played the hand the same way for sure
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Old 07-14-2013, 06:25 PM   #519
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@yster Yes u r right. 10% to Denny's foundation.

The "OEMR" worked today to the tune of +$245 on 5.5hrs. 10ish-0 on "OEMR"
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Just a FYI - averaged $2/hr today across 7hrs. +14
Can't seem to get anything goin this month.
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Just a FYI - averaged $2/hr today across 7hrs. +14
Can't seem to get anything goin this month.
It's making me feel a little better. Don't take that the wrong way. I wish you the best, and would rather things were going well for you, but I keep flopping sets and losing the hand...zigging when I should be zagging...and so forth. It gets disheartening after a while. That a player of your caliber suffers these same periods of suckage makes me feel better some how. ...Again, not that I'd ever wish it on anyone.

It will turn around.
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Just a FYI - averaged $2/hr today across 7hrs. +14
Can't seem to get anything goin this month.
Yeah, but you scored a pair of sweet shades at better than $100 discount; that's not too shabby, is it?

Played to about even yesterday, myself. I left shortly after you. All in all, I'm calling it a good session; anytime I can play several hours to even on a table with you, it's like a free poker lesson. Love playing with you, bro. Hope you crush 'em today.
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@soncy we all have those days. Must stay discliplined and even keel. Cant ever get too high, or too low. best of luck @liveaction the shades r for a future final table only. It will collect dust until then. Over/Under 2mm of dust before ft. Thanks for all the kind words…Much too kind.

While I was on my jog today, I came up w a formula that may answer my poll question attached to this thread…“What is a realistic annual earning of a SOLID player playing 1/2nhle?” The Projected Annual Income Formula (PAIF) I came up w is based on average hrs logged/wk. I feel after 7 months straight of playing 1/2nlhe I now have a better idea of what is a realistic annual earning at 1/2 than ever before. This question has been intriguing to me for such a long time that it became a big reason of why I started this challenge at the beginning of the year. Now 7 months into this challenge and playing A LOT of 1/2nlhe, this is the formula I came up w to answer my poll question. IMO, I believe this is a gd estimate of a PAI of a SOLID grinder.
Here it is: Average Hours/ Week = H 1,000(H) + .33(H x 1,000) = Projected Annual Income (PAI)
I.E. I’m averaging 26hrs/wk, so H=26 $1,000(26) + .33(26 x $1,000) = $26,000 + $8,580 = $34,580 PAI.

On the flip flop…Here is a hand from today that got my poker brain thinking.
LB 710(Larry Legend) $300: When bets he has the gds. When he raises he def has 1st,2nd,3rd nuts. Seldom bluffs.
MPJ9 $300: Solid player, mixes it up well.
4 way limp preflop. Im otb w 88 w a $600 stack.
The flop is 689. LB flops the joint and checks, MP leads out $10 w flush draw, I call otb w set of 8s, LB then ch/raises to $35. MP calls, I call. The turn is 3. LB bets $50 w nut straight, and MP calls. At this point I know 100% Larry Legend has a straight, and pretty sure MP has a flush draw. I call $50 only because if I hit the 10 outer, I know “the Legend” will call a big bet on river w his straight (if nondiamond). If I full up w a diamond river card, then I think I cd get called in both spots w a vb, or by MP only w a big bet. So based on these assumptions alone I call. Pot is now $250ish going to the river. The river is a 2. LB checks, MP checks his flush, and I check. Flush wins.
If I wd hv hit the 10 outer on river w nondiamond I feel “Legend” calls no more than $120 w straight, if I full up w a diamond river- I may just put in a big bet of $190 and get called by flush only, instead of vb $75 and get called in both spots. Even though Im behind, I can’t ever fold to a $50 turn bet. I have bout a 22% chance to complete after turn, so in order to call the $50 turn bet, I hv to get a 5:1 price. The price was right, but it got me thinking about this hand w these 2 other players involved. #knowurplayer. I think I may have still called even if I wasn’t getting the right price. The reason being is solely based on implied odds if I hit the 10 outer. The implied odds math I came up w says I can call up to $100 turn from LB if and only if MP calls as well. Thus, putting the total pot going to river at $400. Therefore, I wd have to get a call of $100 on river if I hit the 10 outer for it to b +ev. (100x5=$500) Which in this case, I think I wd have EASILY gotten a $100 call if I hit. In this hypothetical of $100 turn bet instead of $50, I bet same $120 if non diamond hits, and “Legend” pays me off. W diamond full up, if MP still checks his flush- I bet MP remaining stack of $160 and he 90% calls. If he bets his flush (lets say $100 river bet), I raise, and he def calls off his remaining stack ($60).
The reason I posted this hand is because it digs a little deeper into “Know your Player”, what exactly is the right price(?), and implied odds. In this hand, I knew I was beat from the jump, but the value was too good to pass up if I hit river. After this hand, I dug deeper trying to determine how much I can call on turn for it to b +ev. Smtimes I can call when not getting the right price on the draw, but w implied odds factored in makes it the right price. If that makes any sense at all. oK my brain hurts, im done. I wish I wd hv hit that 10 outer, but still a gd day. +$217 on 4.5hrs.
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Typo 689
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You really only have 9 outs, but I realize at the time you probably thought 10. Big day if that goes your way.
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