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View Poll Results: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC ANNUAL EARNING OF AN "A" PLAYER GRINDING $1/$2NLHE?
LESS THAN $22K
392 12.64%
$22K TO $28K
453 14.60%
$28K TO $34K
505 16.28%
$34K TO $40K
528 17.02%
$40K TO $46K
295 9.51%
MORE THAN $46K
929 29.95%

07-01-2013 , 11:24 PM
Nice. Good fold. At least he showed you though. That always helps. I guess even maniacs have the goods sometimes haha
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07-02-2013 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Well, I folded. After he called my check/raise on flop, and then still bet a healthy amount on turn after I checked turn. I fig club draw or AJ at worse.

He keeps his word, and shows me 2 cowboys

Now it makes sense why you keep justifying your choice to not 3 bet pre flop. Whoever said "if you want to mix your play up preflop 3 bet more not less (or something like that)" is worth listening to.
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07-02-2013 , 11:57 AM
The only question I have is that you said you wanted to play a big one post flop.

With the ranges being so wide isn't it going to be hard to play a big pot with most likely just one pair with relatively deep stacks? Unless you just commit to getting it all in the middle absent an over card?

I would think 3 betting this opponent and trying to get heads up has to be the best play if he is going to stack off with top pair or a draw. If he sees you as a "shark" and you have shown a wider 3 bet range than most 1/2 players (which I think you do) then I think he still puts you on a decent range here.

I wouldn't let the results (KK) get in the way of the proper play.

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07-02-2013 , 06:37 PM
@butterflysymmetry

Brilliant thread man, wishing you all the best from over here in London.

First post, but have read through the thread and it certainly seems to me that the 40k is more a case of when than if, keep up the good work.

I like your hand analysis and the fact that you open it up to the floor.

I also like the fact you are sticking to 1/2 before you move up to 2/5, your strategy sounds sound. I don't care who the poker player is, across any level, it is damn near impossible to play your A game unless you feel suitably rolled to take that shot. If that is 10k, 20k or even 40k it doesn't matter, all that matters is you are in the best possible headspace when you make that move. Glad that has been addressed as well.

Will chuck in my two cents as and when the hands arise, looking forward to reading more.
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07-02-2013 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by boileref
The only question I have is that you said you wanted to play a big one post flop.

With the ranges being so wide isn't it going to be hard to play a big pot with most likely just one pair with relatively deep stacks? Unless you just commit to getting it all in the middle absent an over card?

I would think 3 betting this opponent and trying to get heads up has to be the best play if he is going to stack off with top pair or a draw. If he sees you as a "shark" and you have shown a wider 3 bet range than most 1/2 players (which I think you do) then I think he still puts you on a decent range here.

I wouldn't let the results (KK) get in the way of the proper play.
I see where u coming from, and Im not sure how I can best explain (without wrenching my brain) the 3 betting saga.
Call me crazy, but I thought I cd take the line I took and still not lose value. Im sure I wd do the same thing again w same 3 players and scenario.
As far as me wanting to play a big pot post flop, I thought I accomplished that. I raised flop to $80, so after the calls = $271-$5(rake)-$1(badbeat)=$265 (big pot). After picking up something from Villain, I check turn/slow down. So I built a big pot, but for Villain. just so happens he has me notched.
Let say he doesn't have KKs, and has one of his random $10pf hands. I check flop again, and he 90% fires out a bet. Almost always in past history, if villain 2bets pf, he 90% fires flop. So w same situation he bets $20 on flop, I raise $80, then he may call $60 super thin. If both players fold to the $80raise, then that works too.
I guess everybody is different. This is why I have a deep passion for the ultimate thinking game - Poker. Appreciate u guys, and enjoy these posts.

I Lose $674 today, but may have made a gd investment. On Tuesdays, hi hand wins a wsop circuit main event seat. In the first hr, Norm, an old retired regular hit a Royal Flush. BOOM! That's the best hand of the day, and the promotion is over. The seat is valued at $1550ish, and Norm accepted my offer of $1k.
Today: $+326 cash -$1k seat = -$674
Yesterday: +$142
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07-02-2013 , 08:25 PM
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My Bold Prediction For the Month: The $115k bad beat will hit
Well,
2 days off that prediction. Just happened a couple hrs ago. Lady wins $65k 3/6limit
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07-02-2013 , 09:12 PM
I'll give you $1100 for that seat. Instant profit!!
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07-02-2013 , 10:24 PM
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@butterflysymmetry

Brilliant thread man, wishing you all the best from over here in London.

First post, but have read through the thread and it certainly seems to me that the 40k is more a case of when than if, keep up the good work.

I like your hand analysis and the fact that you open it up to the floor.

I also like the fact you are sticking to 1/2 before you move up to 2/5, your strategy sounds sound. I don't care who the poker player is, across any level, it is damn near impossible to play your A game unless you feel suitably rolled to take that shot. If that is 10k, 20k or even 40k it doesn't matter, all that matters is you are in the best possible headspace when you make that move. Glad that has been addressed as well.

Will chuck in my two cents as and when the hands arise, looking forward to reading more.
Wow, completely honored to b the recipient of ur first post. Im almost lost for words..................
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um m um. .
I greatly appreciate the kind words. I love the fact to know I'm just not typing to dead space! still n disbelief that 2+2ers r n interested n my poker lifestyle/journey/challenge. My own family doesnt care bout my poker, so i truly appreciate my poker family here. Also gratifying that this thread has been more active than I ever imagined - which has made for great discussions.
U bring up a great point that players wd most likely play differently if BR suited differently. If im playing a particular game on a regular basis (i.e. 2/5nlhe 20+hrs/wk), then i always like to have at least 30+ buyns. Having 35(ish) buyns before moving up just takes the stress off for me. And like u said, it keeps me most comfortable w "A" game, and helps w variance. But also i don't mind taking some shots ONCE in awhile at something bigger-when it looks like a +ev decision.
In closing, it's prob best my fam doesn't care about my poker. I like the fact that we don't talk much about it. Although the 10yr old knows what Dad does, poker discussed very little. I still struggle w seeing it as a honorable profession.
Glad u found this thread, and look forward to ur "2 cents" n future. I have to admit, i got a boner knowing this thread went global.

@loucardfan appreciate the offer, but def playing.
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07-03-2013 , 12:12 AM
Gl w the main event. Hope it turns out to be a good buy
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07-03-2013 , 02:05 AM
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Well,
2 days off that prediction. Just happened a couple hrs ago. Lady wins $65k 3/6limit
Jesus she would not stop laughing for like the next two hours. Guess I might act the same way though.
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07-03-2013 , 05:50 PM
Just clocked out. 5 winning sesh streak came to an end. Lost -$103. Hovered between $200-$400 all day. Bought n for $300 added $100, and cashed out $297
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07-04-2013 , 05:14 PM
My tip of the day to my fellow friendly poker junkies... If a player voices out a bet on the river, but doesn't push out the chips; then he has it 90% of the time!
I see it all the time playing, and the player always has it! Be weary my friends, be weary.
Today: 6hrs40mins of play and -$4. Plenty of bad river cards today, but played exceptionally well! Very happy w how I played today, and can't think of one mistake. Not letting my ego get in the way of trying to book a win. I'm cool w a -$4 loss. Haven't ate all day! Flipping starving!
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07-04-2013 , 05:28 PM
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My tip of the day to my fellow friendly poker junkies... If a player voices out a bet on the river, but doesn't push out the chips; then he has it 90% of the time!
I see it all the time playing, and the player always has it! Be weary my friends, be weary.
The Percentage goes up 3% to 93% on a dryboard.
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07-04-2013 , 06:09 PM
I agree. My tip of the day: if a bad player says "I don't think you have the flush (or straight)" then bets or raises....he can beat that hand 99.999999999864 % of the time
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07-04-2013 , 07:24 PM
haha yeah, I play live like once in a month but I notice that nearly every time
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07-05-2013 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
My tip of the day to my fellow friendly poker junkies... If a player voices out a bet on the river, but doesn't push out the chips; then he has it 90% of the time!
I see it all the time playing, and the player always has it! Be weary my friends, be weary.
Today: 6hrs40mins of play and -$4. Plenty of bad river cards today, but played exceptionally well! Very happy w how I played today, and can't think of one mistake. Not letting my ego get in the way of trying to book a win. I'm cool w a -$4 loss. Haven't ate all day! Flipping starving!
Interesting point.

I find people who don't talk much that suddenly pipe up on the river either do it because they are nervous or because the desperately want a call. The first is fairly obvious to spot, but the second is more interesting. People often do this because they are not just content with re-raising, they feel like they have to try and sell themselves in order to get a call. I agree it is painfully obvious.

I will never talk in this spot, ever.
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07-06-2013 , 09:00 PM
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This thread definitely needs a video!
WARNING!! MY LAME VIDEO HAS FINALLY MADE THE THREAD!!! Let me please stress, LAME! please fellow 2+2ers don't expect much! I'm sure my very lame video will be receiving many dislikes, and a lot of ****ty comments on youtube. Cant wait for the same haters to show up here. On that note, not sure how long I am going to have the video up and running, but its up now. So, I'm here for ur entertainment. Feel free to take jabs at me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYhW4BU6x3g
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07-06-2013 , 10:18 PM
Was not expecting that at all. Liked it. Thanks for sharing with us.
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07-06-2013 , 10:37 PM
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WARNING!! MY LAME VIDEO HAS FINALLY MADE THE THREAD!!! Let me please stress, LAME! please fellow 2+2ers don't expect much! I'm sure my very lame video will be receiving many dislikes, and a lot of ****ty comments on youtube. Cant wait for the same haters to show up here. On that note, not sure how long I am going to have the video up and running, but its up now. So, I'm here for ur entertainment. Feel free to take jabs at me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYhW4BU6x3g
Was hoping to hear more poker and see you in the vid. Nonetheless, still entertaining and thread worthy.
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07-07-2013 , 03:24 AM
confirmed lame video minus ur daughter dominating and pulling up the jack jk obv has been a pretty good thread, plz grind more tho dont be so lazy like most us poker players
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07-07-2013 , 07:54 AM
The video is so bad it's genius. Keep it up sir. I'm Gonna make it down there sometime for a tourney. Ill say hey when I do.
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07-07-2013 , 09:26 AM
Hope u all get ur kicks w my cheesy video. I think it just has a couple more days left before it gets the plug.
A look at last week'sessions.

This week I wil be playing the same schedule as last week, Sun-Thurs.
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07-07-2013 , 08:57 PM
I guess I was late to the party. Tried to upload the video and said error. I guess its already been taken down. Damn!!!!!!! Cont to Run good
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07-08-2013 , 06:35 PM
Sorry @cally I pulled the plug. Trust me, u didn't miss much. Just a corny video experiment. I may do another one in the fall...It wont b any better tho.

Played Sunday, and ended up leaving after what I believe was a bad ruling. I was a little out of my comfort zone after the ruling, so I thought it was best to just walk away.
Heres what happened...Straddle $20 by UTG+2/$700 (fellow known as "Allstate", and loves to gamble. He told me an orbit earlier, that his biggest straddle was $930 on a 5/10/20nhle table. Was raising straddles 50% of the time w a wide range). Im n CO/$500 w AQ, its folded to me and decided just call. Button called, and "Allstate" makes it $30 on top ($50total pf). At this point, I wanted to reraise to get heads up and steal position from the button. So I stack up a black and couple greens on top of my 20redbirds, and palm them w my right hand out towards the middle. While I am pushing them out, "Allstate" runs over the button and says call. Button Folds. I still have my hands on chips (n a palming fashion)! I ask the dealer what the rule is, still w my hand on my chips. He said it is passed the line, and forward motion. I said the line has nothing to do w it, because it doesn't play here. I pull my chips back, and ask for a floor. The floor comes over and says because its forward motion I have to raise, but I am allowed to just raise the minimum if want. I ask him, what if I want to go all in? He said the call is binding. Then I said, I never announced "raise", so why do I have to put a raise in? He said again, forward motion. Then I said, there is know rule here that says I have to raise if I am "palming" out more chips than the bet. Their shd b some kind of rule, but their isn't! People do it all the time. For example, call a $25 bet while their holding $50 or more in their hand.
My initial plan was to make it $250, but after he snapped called WHILE MY RIGHT HAND WAS STILL PALMING MY CHIPS out in the middle I wasn't for sure. After this I wanted to get a ruling, reassess, and see what my options r. At this point, I think I just want to call if that's an option. I felt call shd hv been an option since people call bets all the time w more money n their hand than the actual bet. But the Floor guy, Doug, ruled I had to at least min raise. So even though I never said "raise", OR release my hand off my chips, I min raised $30 more. "Allstate" calls and its check down. He wins w 2 pair KQ. After the hand, I rack up.
Yesterday lose-$256

Today, I wake up eary w the fam as they head off Holiday World. I check Bravo App (8am), and see a game is going. I get there around 9am, and buy in for $700. We play short handed w deep stacks for an hour, then by 10a we have a full table.
Today win $779
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07-08-2013 , 06:56 PM
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Sorry @cally I pulled the plug. Trust me, u didn't miss much. Just a corny video experiment. I may do another one in the fall...It wont b any better tho.

Played Sunday, and ended up leaving after what I believe was a bad ruling. I was a little out of my comfort zone after the ruling, so I thought it was best to just walk away.
Heres what happened...Straddle $20 by UTG+2/$700 (fellow known as "Allstate", and loves to gamble. He told me an orbit earlier, that his biggest straddle was $930 on a 5/10/20nhle table. Was raising straddles 50% of the time w a wide range). Im n CO/$500 w AQ, its folded to me and decided just call. Button called, and "Allstate" makes it $30 on top ($50total pf). At this point, I wanted to reraise to get heads up and steal position from the button. So I stack up a black and couple greens on top of my 20redbirds, and palm them w my right hand out towards the middle. While I am pushing them out, "Allstate" runs over the button and says call. Button Folds. I still have my hands on chips (n a palming fashion)! I ask the dealer what the rule is, still w my hand on my chips. He said it is passed the line, and forward motion. I said the line has nothing to do w it, because it doesn't play here. I pull my chips back, and ask for a floor. The floor comes over and says because its forward motion I have to raise, but I am allowed to just raise the minimum if want. I ask him, what if I want to go all in? He said the call is binding. Then I said, I never announced "raise", so why do I have to put a raise in? He said again, forward motion. Then I said, there is know rule here that says I have to raise if I am "palming" out more chips than the bet. Their shd b some kind of rule, but their isn't! People do it all the time. For example, call a $25 bet while their holding $50 or more in their hand.
My initial plan was to make it $250, but after he snapped called WHILE MY RIGHT HAND WAS STILL PALMING MY CHIPS out in the middle I wasn't for sure. After this I wanted to get a ruling, reassess, and see what my options r. At this point, I think I just want to call if that's an option. I felt call shd hv been an option since people call bets all the time w more money n their hand than the actual bet. But the Floor guy, Doug, ruled I had to at least min raise. So even though I never said "raise", OR release my hand off my chips, I min raised $30 more. "Allstate" calls and its check down. He wins w 2 pair KQ. After the hand, I rack up.
Yesterday lose-$256

Today, I wake up eary w the fam as they head off Holiday World. I check Bravo App (8am), and see a game is going. I get there around 9am, and buy in for $700. We play short handed w deep stacks for an hour, then by 10a we have a full table.
Today win $779
Ray....we have the worst bet action rules I have ever seen. I don't like his ruling. I hate that we can pick up a stack, drop whatever we want, and bring the rest back. Who else allows that ? I was the beneficiary once of one of the worst rulings I have ever seen. (Doug also). It was a big hand...I said " Doug, call Jimmy. I promise you that ruling is wrong." He refused. I got $800.The victim got a buffet when Jimmy showed up.
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