Great time to overbet shove. He's not calling $1 without a straight or a lower flush, and he's going to talk himself into calling with most of those.

i think a value bet he folds, an over bet might be worth a shot and get his curiosity going. Then you have to induce a call after the over bet.

Then again I don't know your twos history against each other when facing value or over bets.

I'm thinking you represent the straight, assuming he's hit it too. What bet would do that? Shoving seems to tell two possible stories: a) you have the nuts; or b) you're bluffing. If he buys in to "a", the hand's over. If he thinks "b", then you've achieved max results. Why not something in between that can convey more possible outcomes? Isn't he more likely to call if he has a decent hand and can't peg what you have?

On another note, I just love it when quad Aces hold up

From those that chimed in, I tend to agree. Our line of thinking is similar here. If he has flush he is calling a big bet, and if he puts me on a bluff he is calling a big bet.
I mini tank for a bit on the river, not wanting to act too quickly. I desperately want a call here, and feel I shd go big.
*I have attempted a big river bluff against this V in the past (about a year ago). He actually made a gd call that time, and i know that he remembers that.

I'm hoping he thinks I'm bluffing in this spot as I decide to fire big. I grab 8 blacks and put them on top of 1 stack of red for a $900 river bet. I slide it out in the middle, and V hesitantly calls.

Nuts > he shows me his set of 8s.
He tells me later that he wished he wd hv thought about it more, and probably cd hv folded. I cd tell he was upset w his call, but he did do a great job of moving on and playing gd poker after that. Props to him for not tilting and staying the course.

Today's Sesh Totals:
+$1,973 on 4hrs 18mins playing 2/5/10nl
+$88 on 1hr 27mins playing 1/2nl
-$8 on 22mins playing 3/6l

Yesterday:
+$36 on 25mins playing 3/6l
+$539 on 4hrs 22mins playing 1/2

Gd start to July! Currently +$2,628 this month on 10hrs 56mins

Thanks for chiming in on the hand. I like your thoughts!

Have a safe and happy July 4th!

After reading results and looking over the action again, I really do not like your turn sizing! I realize that you said you were just trying to get value but $210 is still pretty big for the live arena and described villain would need a big hand to call it. I would either bet bigger and target the cooler portion of his range (sets, lower flushes) to set up to play for stacks on the river or if I didn't think he had a big hand bet smaller (like $125 - 150) that may also get played back if he did happen to have a big hand. I mean, just look at what you ranged villain on after he called the $210 and think about what would his range be for a much larger bet and you are really only dropping out the 1 pair hands that you block a lot of and the off suit combos might not call pre.

I also realize that this comment is only one hand in a vacuum, and you are playing in a small player pool that can develop reads on bet sizing tells so take the above for what it's worth.

@submerged

Do u think he calls $100, $400, $1200 on streets, the same as $100, $200, $900?

I see where u r coming from, and have actually been thinking about my bet sizing ott as well. I was actually pondering last night while at the riverfront festival if that turn bet shd hv been bigger. Then I thought if I made it near pot size ott, does he call a pot size otr?
U think this is still gd for me to get paid off otr? I'm Curious.

If so, mayb I shd adjust my bets a bit. I do tend to take some unorthodox lines w weird bet sizing. Sometimes I do feel I lose value on some streets. I hate that feeling too of leaving money on the table!
This may b a result of my thinking...I always keep in mind that on average Heros will only get 2 streets of value against their Villains, so I may check otf and try to set up value ott and otr. Or bet otf, check ott, and bet otr. Whatever the case may b, but usually by playing this way I am controlling the situation (and pot) more. On the flip, cd b losing value...ugh.

I feel $100, $200, $900 looks more bluffy otr than $100, $400, $1200. But if he does go for the $100, $400, $1200 line then I just lost out of $500 more.

Thanks @submerged. This poker is fun to think about!. #thinkinggame #skillgame

When I was writing my post post I was thinking the same thing and my conclusion was that I am not sure. Described villain seems pretty good and you may have actually maximized what he would call. I think that described villain might have folded river a percentage of the time if you bet turn larger setting up a river shove. If you go for max value he pays $500 and maybe folds the river or in your case he pays the whole $1200 with a river call. It's very I interesting and part of knowing the player that you talk a lot about. I just think that bomb turn/river or smaller turn/ different size river is better in this case. In other words, your $200 turn bet is never getting raised (I would bet larger for value or smaller to set up a raise from villain).

what did V have in the hand? I'm thinking he must have flopped a smaller set and filled up with the turn A.

^@jazzed23 seat 9 never showed, but an hour later he told the table he had pockets 9s.
Not sure if I believe him for 3 different reasons, but I didn't tell him that.

Reason 1). Does he insta 3bet the seat 8 w 99 utg (button in seat 6, straddle in 5)? Maybe he does, but he didn't bat an eye quickly 3 betting the $50 to $140.

Reason 2). Ott Heads Up. He leads $240, and I raise to $500, and he just calls w 9s full. ???? I only have $350 behind, so why just call. ???
He is never folding to the river bet, so why not get it in ott? When I call the 3 bet preflop he has think I have AK, QQ+. AA looks slim considering 2 on the board, so he has to think I have AK. Right? He pretty much has 2nd nuts considering A9/A7 both out of my range preflop.
...Just calling w 9s full ott. ????

Reason 3). He doesn't bet the river! He check/calls w 9s full. ???

Although not sure what else he could have. Mayb AK, but still reasons mentioned above.
Mayb 2 stubborn Cowboys. ???

I hv no clue, but now that I think about it, mayb he is telling the truth and did have 9s full. ??? I just don't see how u don't get it in ott AND if not, don't lead river. ??? Did he really put me on quad Aces??? Nah.
Who knows????

99's could be plausible...have you played with this guy before?

You make good points. If he puts you on AK, then why would he check the river, he would bet it knowing you have any Ace. He's not scared of 77's full.

KK's could be a possibility too. He might not believe you have an A especially as you just flatted his 3bet. If you 4bet or shove then it looks like AK.

But your turn raise should tell him you have a set or an Ace minimum.

No one puts anyone on quads, just so rare.... strange, but the way many ppl play live poker makes me scratch my head too...

What a drag!
Lose 6% of pool $ today at the 2/5/10nl game.
30k x 6% = $1800!
The game doesn't usually go on Sunday, but it actually hasn't stopped running since Friday.

I got felted!
I tried to make a move against someone who flopped a set of Qs. That hardly ever goes well!

I shove ott w a gut shot and what I believed to b an over card (AJ) hoping he would fold. #badtiming

The early July stats took a dive. Went from being up $2600ish to now up $828 in July.
I hate this feeling of losing big money.

What's crazy is I usually don't play on Sundays, but I had some free time and looking to log hours.

Got punished for working on the day of sabbath.

Guess I will have to dust off my bone headed play, and move onward. Be back at it tomorrow.

Today:
+$122 rebound after losing $1800 yesterday.
And apparently I can't fade 60 seconds to save my life. I still can't believe I lost the $200 high hand promotion today in the last minute of the hour.
I had Aces full of 5s putting me in the lead at the 45min mark and at the 59th minute I hear the dealer on table 8 proudly say "Quad Kings seat 5". What a buzzer beater!
That was fun.

1/2nl have some very gd players and some very bad players!

TODAY: I saw one of the worse plays in 1/2nl this year, and fortunately I was the beneficiary.

Seat 6: $1200 stack, Asian Middle middle aged lady, recreational player, a bit of gamble.
Seat 7: $200 stack, solid abc player.

The 1/2nl table w deep stacks has been playing through the night, and line up is great. I was up about $400 until I lost $350 aiof w my AA < pair/flush draw.
After losing that hand I decided to add 3 more blacks to my stack. Then the next orbit rolls around and this magical hand comes up...

At this point I have a $800 stack and the Asian lady (who covers) in seat 6 hands me over a gift.

Here it is....Seat 7 raises to $12 in mp, a couple callers before I call w 44 in the cutoff. Seat 5 and 6 both limp/calls.

6 players to flop. Pot is $70.
Flop is 4h4s5h. Yes I flopped quads.
*I haven't had quads in a year and had them twice in the last week! What!
Checked to the original preflop raiser in seat 7 who bets $15, folded to me and smooth called, Asian lady also calls.

3 players to the turn. Pot $115ish.
Turn is 9h.
Asian Lady in seat 6 checks, seat 7 checks, and I bet $30. Asian lady calls, seat 7 folds.

Heads up to the river. Pot is $175ish
River is 6c
This is where Christmas came in July for me.
Asian lady bets $50, and I take my time pondering on a bet size. I used her image in my favor and decided to bet big hoping she pays me off. I raise to $380. She insta shoves all in W A STRAIGHT (78)!!!!
NOT A FLUSH! NOT A FULL HOUSE! BUT A STRAIGHT!!! She doesn't call river raise, SHE RERAISES W A STRAIGHT!!!
What!!! What!!!
And yes she calls on a paired board w her gutter draw on the flop and the turn!
#PoolDonation

Still Grinding...just chips until I cash them out.

Sue?

Very nice hand, way to get max value on quads!

Prolly missy

@tswpoker1 it wasn't Sue.
@LiveactionPro cd b her. Not sure her name. I have played w her a few times, and she has doubled me up once before w her having just one pair.

Leaving now, +$1100 exact.

Definitely sounds like misty. She used to frequent the PLO at Hollywood, great for the game

^ Lady Asian X is also a big tipper. Saw her tip $20 and $25 on a few different occasions.
Bad beat for the dealer w my quads...$2

Trampoline Status: got my section of frame for our 14' trampoline yesterday. As u know, the tree that the "Professionals" cut down landed on the trampoline. It wasn't that big of a deal because I did save a lot of money using them, but did have to do some tramp rehab.
The frame that was bent has been removed and the new frame is in place. Although w the new frame, I did have troubles fitting the male piece into the female piece...the male was just a tad too big to fit into the female section...make up your own joke here. So anyways, I had to rig it up w monster tape and bungee cords.
Jump at own risk. Lol. Nah it "should" be gd.

Getting the trampoline mat back on takes sm serious super hero powers to pull those springs onto the latch of the mat. This is especially hard when the tramp is at ground level! I swear my muscles were pulsating last night trying to do this! I got 90 springs attached and 14 more to go. We all know those last ones are the toughest! My muscles couldn't take any more abuse last night, so I gave up and decided to let my muscles relax. Gonna give it another try tonight, or think of a better way.
Even w that special little spring tool, I have a gd feeling there is no way I can attach those last 14 without shooting up some roids.

My solution to this prob may be just order 14 longer tramp springs online.

Haven't even started digging for pool and these tree cutting/trampoline issues are results from #Stage1poolProbs

I think Asian X is named Judy.

+$536 yesterday
-$233 today

+$2,208 in July
+$26,211 overall year to date.

Diamond sweat.
This goal should be accomplished next week.

GL! Long time follower of your thread

@i3budlight thanks man! Glad u r enjoying the poker journey. Mayb u can help me out w this hand from today.

Need Help w this one...

1/2/5+ nl game going through the night w deep stacks.

Straddle $6 in seat 7 (utg +1), Button in 3 or 4 (?)

Straddler in seat 7: never played w him, but an outstanding young wizard that has been running over the table. He has been playing through the night and has a $5k stack. Been making wise moves and pushing small edges.

I limp from seat 1 w 78, and after 6 limps, a great thinking creative player who just sat down ($2,500 stack) raises it $65 from the bb blind.
*play w this creative player regularly, and he is considered top 3 in the room.
Something I hv noticed w him is...seen him make big raises in the past very early in his sesh...mayb to start his image or just try to outplay. Just something I hv noticed, and not sure if ther is anything to make from it. I just decided to go w my read and 3bet.

After the blind makes it $65, the other Wizard calls. My read is both are fairly weak, so I 3bet to $205 w the nut crackers.
Initial raiser folds, and the straddler in early position calls my 3bet.

Heads up to the flop. Pot is shy of $500.
Flop is: 247
Young wizard checks, and I bet $325. Young wizard asks me how much I'm playing and I tell him $2k behind (started w $2500ish). After he tanks for a bit he decides to check/raise to $650. Uh oh

What's ur play? His ch/r seemed a little drawy, but also it cd b a set of 4s or something. If I go w my "draw read" I'm thinking I cd go bust on this hand.

Would u 2+2ers call and see what he does on the turn? Fold, reraise or shove? Curious. I was in an extremely tough spot w deep stacks. I will say that I put in a record tank for the year while wavering my options.

What's ur play after he min raises flop?

Thanks in advance for feedback, and I'll let u know later on.

Feels like spades and overs.

This is gross. If we apply maths here.... He has a lot more combos + overs versus sets.

I'm not raising as even against spades + overs we are basically flipping.

So I call, and will lead out turn assuming no spades hit.

This is a good spot to min raise on a draw. He has some fold equity. Plus, if you flat the raise and check the turn he sees the river cheaper than calling 2 streets. I also like calling and leading all blanks.

like your move alot preflop but i woulda definitely made the raise bigger, $280-$325 woulda most likely been enough to take down a nice pot pre(close to 200 in there before your raise right?). you priced in a very wide range of hands from said player to take a flop with you and got put in a really dirty situation against a very tough player. the villain is obv capable of making this check raise because he believes youre good enough to fold alotta hands most opponents at this level arent capable of folding in this spot and blow you off the hand, but its just feels to me hes doing this trying to induce a shove from you or to get you to call and bloat the pot even more so you feel committed to get it in on the turn or river with him, i probaly fold. interested to hear how it played out