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04-11-2023 , 11:45 AM
Long time no see, people from 2+2, A lot has happened since my last thread. I would like to say that my
life has never been so good, but one of the only areas of my life that isn't going well is my work: poker, that's
why I've decided to make a new blog. I need to work more aggressively and focus more on poker, I hope this helps me,
also it's good to share my path with you guys, I love poker and I don't speak much with people about it in my
day-to-day life, so it will be good to talk more about it.

Basically this is what happened since my last thread:

I've started playing in a staking deal at NL200 on bodog, played for 2 years(around 500k hands and 3bb/100),
while doing it I got coached weekly by a very skilled hs reg, learned A LOT from him, left the staking for
personal reasons(couldn't play anymore, took 1 year break for health reasons). After that I came back,
played a lot of 50z to get used to poker again, took some 200z shots on bodog, did well, but crypto fell a lot
(95% of my net worth was on btc when it crashed, sick) and had to move down. I've started playing reg tables,
played a lot of nl100 on bodog, but ended up having bad luck, very bad work ethic and very expensive
spending habits. Ended up falling down to nl50 semi-broke and here I am. Basically rock bottom, with a 2k roll at
nl50 on bodog reg tables lol.


It's very annoying to play nl50, it feels like it's some sort of a punishment for my lazyness, nobody folds in there
EVER lol. It plays like nl2 on stars I think, every day I see so many badly played hands that I just don't believe them.
Even though I'm playing vs these terrible guys, my skills improved a lot, I think even more than when I was with
a coach, I've mastered how to beat fish by a sick winrate, it's unbelievable how good I am vs fish(obv I had plenty
of time to learn that playing these stakes lol). Played a small amount on stars just for fun, 50k hands at nl100,
people in there play too well compared to bodog, so I'm not moving there soon, I need to move up and get to NL200
as soon as possible.

Even though I play 100% exploitatively, I do my best to maintain a solid framework to work based on theory.
Everything that I do is based at least a bit in theory(although most of it is some very explo logic that my instincts tell me haha)
I still use pio, but more for fun, I don't pressure myself to work on it, I just do it to relax, I love messing with pio

Graph since my last thread (some 150k-200k hands are missing)




some hands


H1: definitely doesn't look like a nl50 hand lol, got an excellent hand to call though

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 28.5 BB
BTN: 116.26 BB
SB: 251.72 BB
Hero (BB): 203.48 BB
UTG: 163.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 A

fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, BTN calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 4 6 5
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 14.62 BB, Hero calls 14.62 BB

River: (49.74 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 91.64 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 91.64 BB

Spoiler:
BTN shows 9 K (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 46%, Flop 28%, Turn 21%)
Hero shows 5 A (Two Pair, Fives and Twos)
(Pre 54%, Flop 72%, Turn 79%)

Hero wins 227.02 BB



H2: vs reg, I snap quit the session after this one, I don't consider his call any good, since I'm bluffing with better hands, but this one shook me,
if this is how people play at nl500, then I'm not ready.

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 34.86 BB
SB: 119.4 BB
BB: 106.4 BB
UTG: 139.88 BB
MP: 100.21 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 6

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 11 BB, fold, Hero calls 8 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 8 4 8
SB bets 6.1 BB, Hero calls 6.1 BB

Turn: (35.2 BB, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets 17.2 BB, SB calls 17.2 BB

River: (69.6 BB, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets 65.7 BB and is all-in, SB calls 65.7 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows 8 6 (Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 35%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
SB shows A K (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 65%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)

Hero wins 200.2 BB



H3: NL200 on bodog lol

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 99.49 BB
Hero (MP): 100.5 BB
CO: 100.2 BB
BTN: 20.8 BB
SB: 106.18 BB
BB: 115.37 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, SB raises to 14 BB, fold, UTG calls 13 BB, Hero raises to 100.5 BB and is all-in, fold, SB calls 86.5 BB, UTG calls 85.49 BB and is all-in

Flop: (305.49 BB, 3 players) 5 4 2

Turn: (305.49 BB, 3 players) 3

River: (305.49 BB, 3 players) 6

Spoiler:
UTG shows 9 4 (Straight, Six High)

Main Pot [303.46 BB]: (Pre 20%, Flop 15%, Turn 6%)

Hero shows A K (Flush, Ace High)

Main Pot [303.46 BB]: (Pre 33%, Flop 34%, Turn 89%)
Side Pot#1 [2.03 BB]: (Pre 42%, Flop 38%, Turn 92%)

SB shows J J (Flush, Jack High)

Main Pot [303.46 BB]: (Pre 47%, Flop 50%, Turn 6%)
Side Pot#1 [2.03 BB]: (Pre 58%, Flop 62%, Turn 8%)

CO shows Q 7 (Flush, Queen High)

BTN shows 8 K (Flush, Eight High)

BB shows 4 3 (Straight, Six High)

Hero wins 303.49 BB


H4: I used to make folds so tight that nobody would believe me, unbelievable how many sick calls I'm making now haha vamoooooo

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 224.9 BB
SB: 152.74 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 135.4 BB
MP: 91.98 BB
CO: 299.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 8 T 3
SB bets 1.42 BB, Hero calls 1.42 BB

Turn: (8.84 BB, 2 players) 4
SB bets 6.3 BB, Hero calls 6.3 BB

River: (21.44 BB, 2 players) 5
SB bets 24.46 BB, Hero calls 24.46 BB

Spoiler:
SB shows Q 9 (High Card, Queen)
(Pre 28%, Flop 30%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows K 9 (High Card, King)
(Pre 72%, Flop 70%, Turn 86%)

Hero wins 66.86 BB



Will update this weekly for 55 weeks, then I will close this thread, this is just a temporary thread, if everything goes well, there will
be only one more thread, it will be the one that I will challenge the best at 500z+ on stars, but it will take a while, I really believe I can do it!!!




VAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-11-2023 , 11:48 AM
Vamooooo Rapidesh!

I always knew you'd come back!
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-11-2023 , 05:04 PM
Hey man, very cool that you´re back and still into poker. One thing I always got from your last thread was the "never give up" attitude, regardless of how you´d be running, your technical game, and quite a few pwople here. And I still firmly believe that, not giving up, we'll find a way to work hard and finally succeed (unless we´re some rich whale, or Paisting ).

Anyway, GLGLGL
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-11-2023 , 08:33 PM
deja vu with the goat of threads
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-11-2023 , 09:50 PM
cmonnn rapi!
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-12-2023 , 01:53 AM
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy epic throwback. gl bro!
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-12-2023 , 02:24 AM
glgl get back to 200 quick smart
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-12-2023 , 02:43 AM
lets goooo
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-12-2023 , 07:41 AM
in for secret moves/special attacks
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-18-2023 , 09:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
Vamooooo Rapidesh!

I always knew you'd come back!
Yeah, I thought I would take longer to come back, and in a better shape tbh lol, but I don't mind people seeing me doing poorly, I don't have anything to prove to them, just wanna track results, talk about poker and show some sick hands, study strat too

Quote:
Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
Hey man, very cool that you´re back and still into poker. One thing I always got from your last thread was the "never give up" attitude, regardless of how you´d be running, your technical game, and quite a few pwople here. And I still firmly believe that, not giving up, we'll find a way to work hard and finally succeed (unless we´re some rich whale, or Paisting ).

Anyway, GLGLGL
Yeah, I've made tons of bad life decisions in my life, but the one thing that made everything go well in the end was my never give up attitude, never gave up, no matter how grim things got, really like that aspect of my life, I'm not only proud of that, but doing that helped me a lot to find my place in life, specially since the world got so tough, really lucky to have poker as a job.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLove_Below
deja vu with the goat of threads
Quote:
Originally Posted by slayerv1fan
cmonnn rapi!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
wb
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy epic throwback. gl bro!
Quote:
Originally Posted by max85
glgl get back to 200 quick smart
Quote:
Originally Posted by ejames209
lets goooo
So good to see so many familiar faces, thought this forum had turned into a wasteland, the only threads I was following was tiggty, sometimes gazzy and benabadbeat, I feel like the gold times of 2+2 are gone already, but there's still so much gold here, specially in the old threads.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RA!Z0R RAM0N
in for secret moves/special attacks
Sadly I'm not naming my special attacks anymore, but there are lots of new moves I've learned lol.


So, here I am, at nl50 on bodog, basically rock bottom, tbh I'm even worse than that, when I created this blog I thought I was going to get some rungood karma because of the poker gods, but instead I lost 12 bi last week lol. Atm my roll is at $1700. This is the story behind that:

Last year I was fine, with my $20k roll, just living the good life, 0 problems, owning at poker, then btc fell and the $20k turned into $5k lol. Kept spending a lot and playing little, so I'm semi-busto because of my spending, hit an annoying downswing too, this is how my year is going:




Bankroll is at $1700

I've decided that I will live on a very low budget, going to live like a peddler, don't care, it will be annoying at first to quit buying beer, cheese and salmon, but that's what I need right now(and for a long time), I'm on the brink of losing my roll, I'm risking moving back to NL25 which seems like a very bad nightmare. If you told me 4 years ago when I was doing well at 200z on stars that I would be risking moving back to NL25 4 years after that, few things could look as terrifying as that lol. But I'm fine, if I need to move back to NL10 I will do it. Atm I don't want a staking deal, maybe if I have to move back to NL25 I might accept one, but at NL50 I'm fine on my own, there are some plays that I can't make while on stake, like, you can't go all out, I like going crazy without having to answer to the boss later for some funky play lol.

Going to live with less than $200 a month from now on(was living with $1k/month on average last year).

Some graphs:

50z reg tables bodog




NL100 on bodog reg tables




Really crushing the stakes, but I need more volume, was working 2 hours/day this year, will push for 4-6h/day, 5 days/week. Gotta leave this raketrap, I'm paying 8.2bb/100 in rake at NL100 and 10.4bb/100 at NL50, I'm crushing these guys soooooooo much, but it's so annoying to keep playing these games. Moving back to NL100 when I get to a $4k roll


H1: Vs special player lol vaaaaaamo, not a terrible hand to call tbh, but vs a competent player I think it would be probably like a 20% call at best, maybe not even a call ever, I like that villain wouldn't bluff with our blockers

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.5 BB
Hero (SB): 152.94 BB
BB: 81.74 BB
UTG: 80.74 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 203.82 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 10.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 8 BB

Flop: (22 BB, 2 players) J 3 T
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.32 BB, Hero calls 7.32 BB

Turn: (36.64 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (36.64 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets 83.68 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 83.68 BB

Spoiler:
BTN shows A 2 (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 68%, Flop 17%, Turn 8%)
Hero shows K T (Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
(Pre 32%, Flop 83%, Turn 92%)

Hero wins 196 BB


H2: That's an easy one

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 117.68 BB
BTN: 383.67 BB
Hero (SB): 97 BB
BB: 99.5 BB
UTG: 116.52 BB
MP: 105.23 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, BB raises to 15 BB, UTG raises to 116.52 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 84.5 BB and is all-in

Flop: (205 BB, 2 players) 7 3 Q

Turn: (205 BB, 2 players) 4

River: (205 BB, 2 players) 7

Spoiler:
BB shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 50%, Flop 50%, Turn 50%)
UTG shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 50%, Flop 50%, Turn 50%)

Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)


BB wins 101.5 BB
UTG wins 101.5 BB


H3: not so easy to fold this one haha

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 119 BB
Hero (SB): 173.46 BB
BB: 100 BB
CO: 163.62 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, CO raises to 32 BB, fold

Spoiler:
CO shows A A

Hero shows K K


CO wins 23 BB
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-18-2023 , 11:02 AM
Isn´t fighting for the small pots a thing on bodog 50nl/100nl? A redline below -10 bb/100 wasnt what I was expecting when you said you´re very exploitative. But maybe the games you play incentivize it, Idk. If those winrates are what the other good regs are getting, go for it my friend.

Do you pay rent? I´m a frugal guy overall and I was living well on 900 usd a month avg, in Floripa and renting a place by myself, but 200 seems a stretch even in lower col areas of the country (not talking about slums ofc ). Anyway, GL with this, underspending and living way below your means (I know, not your case right now but in the future after you rebuild the roll?) as long as you´re not sacrificing physical and psychological health is sooooo +EV and is smth you'll carry for life if you learn to enjoy it.
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-18-2023 , 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
Isn´t fighting for the small pots a thing on bodog 50nl/100nl? A redline below -10 bb/100 wasnt what I was expecting when you said you´re very exploitative. But maybe the games you play incentivize it, Idk. If those winrates are what the other good regs are getting, go for it my friend.

Do you pay rent? I´m a frugal guy overall and I was living well on 900 usd a month avg, in Floripa and renting a place by myself, but 200 seems a stretch even in lower col areas of the country (not talking about slums ofc ). Anyway, GL with this, underspending and living way below your means (I know, not your case right now but in the future after you rebuild the roll?) as long as you´re not sacrificing physical and psychological health is sooooo +EV and is smth you'll carry for life if you learn to enjoy it.
I thought that having a sick redline was the optimal way to play the micros, just overrun people with aggression. But I feel that people are very stationy, regs overcall turns, so my options are to either underbluff turn or overbluff the river, I choose to just underbluff turn and print vs their overcalls, vs fish I do whatever I want,but I prefer to bluff only in spots that I know are good.

If you see my first graph in the initial post, you will see a dramatic change in the redline and blue lines, it's when I quit 200z and came back to 50z on bodog. Quite crazy to see my redline fall that much, but the main principle behind is that bad players don't like folding much, so I adapt to that by not bluffing much. I'm very explo because of that, but I can see a world where you go so crazy that you end up making the bad player build a big pot to fold out later, it's a viable strat and tbh it's stronger than mine imo,but I'm happy with my strat and won't change it.

I think that there are lots of ways to beat these guys, people play very poorly in nl50-nl100 (and even nl200) on bodog, there are tons of ways to beat those guys and lots of strats that work, you gotta find what works best for you.

I don't pay rent, really lucky to live in my parents' house, they moved out and are living in a small farm right outside of the city. They buy a lot of food for me and my brother, so I can save a lot, I was just living reckless buying french cheese/magic cards/expensive foods/going on expensive dinners, I think I can save A LOT, I believe I can spend even less than $200/month, maybe even$100/month. I need this right now to survive this downswing and move back to nl200. Even then I will try to spend little until I'm almost taking shots at 500.
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-26-2023 , 12:41 PM
Roll is at $1550

Basically getting bad variance, had some bad plays yesterday and today too, sad. But got good news, going to travel for 5 days with my friends, going to chapada dos veadeiros, and will do a lot of hiking(going even for a 12-hour hiking track, it will be insane!). I hope I rest and come back strong, I really need to play well during this crucial moment in my career. Started playing 6h/day and I won't sleep until I hit those 6h, going to focus a lot on volume to get back to nl100. Also hitting the gym 5x/week.

Here are some thoughts on zoom/zone vs reg tables, I've seen some people posting bad info on this here, so here it's my take on that:

I always think about going back to zoom/zone, but I don't think it's a good idea for people in the same level that I am in the game, specially in anonymous pools. For beginners/weak regs it's a no-brainer, volume is king and it's the best way to improve, but for experienced regs it's actually a trap, because of this:

1 - you play every hand in a vaccuum, so you don't play the long game vs anyone, you will miss a lot of opportunities to adapt and counter-exploit. Sure, you can definitely exploit and predict some counter-exploits and counter them, but if you're 2 steps ahead, you're actually 1 step behind. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of skill behind knowing population tendencies and exploiting them, knowing which nodes you will find people deviating from them (and finding regs), faking to be a fish/population and then standing out in low frequency plays(which can be either very nutted or very bluffy and going the other way around). But it's a weak way to play poker, sure I give a lot of credit to the top 200zone regs, they are insane good players, but they are addicted to some form of poker that isn't very strong, vs a decent reg in a reg table they will be disarmed, their style is hyperaggressive and their game will have a lot of weak spots that a good reg will pick on easily after some showdowns.

2 - winrates are lower because you can't godmode weaker regs and some fish might get you really good in some spots(specially massive whales, they can show up bluffs in spots where population underbluffs). Imo some regs can turn into bigger losers than fish, specially when they are in the nl50-nl100 range, they know enough about poker to be confident to make dumb exploits(that are easy to predict) and make massive mistakes. One simple example is when a bad reg gets 3-bet 3 times in a row, he will 4-bet any2 lol, so easy to just 5-bet jam any2 and make an easy 10bbev/hand. This was just a simple example, you can godmode easily with overcalls, overfolds and overbluffs, as well as underbluffs and thin valuebets. At nl200 some regs are humble(or nitty lol) enough to go less greedy in a lot of spots and make some tight folds, play less greedy in general, but after the 5th 3-bet and some clown plays even them can turn into big fish, something that can't happen in zoom.

3 - you lose the opportunity to find better players and learn from them. Basically whenever you get owned in zone/zoom you just dismiss as either spew or crazy plays, but some spewy plays can be actually some genius plays vs population. At 200 zone I used to go crazy in a lot of spots(even with the coach and the boss watching lol), people never realized they were getting owned, because the player behind that play could be a random whale just clicking buttons. Now when you're facing some real heat, you can learn a lot with those guys, I can remember some regs that changed the way I played poker and changed it for better, some names from stars just for fun: sowiet wings, saulocosta10, quasselinho(he is garbage, but at the time I faced him I was weaker than him, donated more than 10bb/100 to him for sure), even welshgaz and duedrama(it was mind blowing to know 19 vpip guys could beat 500z on stars in 2019).

I believe these 3 points are true even on 200z on stars, things change at 500 because you face the same people a lot, at 200z(80-100 players) it's basically the same as zone on bodog, you play 5 hands vs the same guy every hour, so it's closer to anonymous.

But if you think you make more money at zone and don't care about moving to hs ever, then it's fine to keep playing at zone. But I believe the best way to learn after you are already good(by good I mean beating nl200 on stars/party/bodog) is to play reg tables and learn how to deviate and know how and when to play balanced too.

Some hands

h1: gotta check a lot OTT, specially when people are going crazy in that spot. In theory people should valuebet KQ in there OTR I think, but in practice people never do that and instead go crazy with bluffs, so our QdQx type of hands will overealize. If we're checking a lot I think KQ is never a valuebet neither, but then if people are overbluffing, then we should call way more, which makes KQ a valuebet lol. So many levels haha. Imo stick to all QQ, fold 99-JJ without diamonds vs a strong player

PokerStars - $1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100 BB
BTN: 99.06 BB
Hero (SB): 145.39 BB
BB: 166.23 BB
UTG: 118.16 BB
MP: 145.61 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, BTN calls 8 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 2 K 6
Hero bets 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

Turn: (33 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (69 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 65.06 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 65.06 BB

Spoiler:
BTN shows 2 A (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 55%, Flop 13%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows J K (Flush, King High)
(Pre 45%, Flop 87%, Turn 100%)

Hero wins 195.12 BB




H2: very easy fold for me OTT vs the minraise

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 121.19 BB
UTG: 113.05 BB
MP: 133.98 BB
CO: 128.64 BB
BTN: 49 BB
SB: 131.42 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

UTG raises to 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, UTG calls 9.5 BB, MP calls 9.5 BB

Flop: (35 BB, 3 players) 3 3 A
Hero bets 8 BB, fold, MP calls 8 BB

Turn: (51 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 17 BB, MP raises to 42 BB, Hero raises to 101.69 BB and is all-in, MP calls 59.69 BB

River: (254.38 BB, 2 players) 8

Spoiler:
Hero shows K A (Two Pair, Aces and Threes)
(Pre 63%, Flop 9%, Turn 3%)
MP shows 5 3 (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 37%, Flop 91%, Turn 97%)

MP wins 252.38 BB



Phil collins is so good!

Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-26-2023 , 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123


Imo some regs can turn into bigger losers than fish, specially when they are in the nl50-nl100 range, they know enough about poker to be confident to make dumb exploits(that are easy to predict) and make massive mistakes. One simple example is when a bad reg gets 3-bet 3 times in a row, he will 4-bet any2 lol, so easy to just 5-bet jam any2 and make an easy 10bbev/hand. This was just a simple example, you can godmode easily with overcalls, overfolds and overbluffs, as well as underbluffs and thin valuebets.
I know you said this was a simple example but it's also an example of the point you were trying to make
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-26-2023 , 04:51 PM
Enjoy your trip

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

One simple example is when a bad reg gets 3-bet 3 times in a row, he will 4-bet any2 lol, so easy to just 5-bet jam any2 and make an easy 10bbev/hand. This was just a simple example
To me, this looks like the perfect example of our old friend TILT .
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
04-26-2023 , 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
Enjoy your trip



To me, this looks like the perfect example of our old friend TILT .
Yeah, people's mental game at these games are weak
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
05-06-2023 , 09:53 AM
April results

Volume was low, but working on that, sadly still running bad, roll is at $1600. Relaxed a lot during my trip, exercise was very intense but had a lot of time to rest too, visited some very beautiful places. Going to work a lot this month and hopefully make a comeback, thought a bit about moving down and I will be responsible, if I need to move back to nl25 I will do it and will go with a smart bankroll management so I don't go busto, so if I hit $800 I'm back to nl25, at least there is zone in there. Don't want to ask people for money, tbh I would rather play for very small amounts than to do that.

Graph

Graph changed because my old pc is probably broken and now I've started a new database, sad to lose 2M+ hands, but at least I can ask stars for my HH later, got a backup in here too that might have some of bodog HH too.



The anonymous meta on bodog on reg tables and reg battles

Imo there are two ways you can approach reg battling on bodog on reg tables(it changes a lot from zone):

The first one is to play theory, with good ranges and sizings and just try to make a superior game, get money from leaks from villain, don't be greedy and be fine with a mediocre winrate, getting brutally crushed by rake, table selecting and making ev mostly from fish.

It doesn't mean we won't be open to some sort of exploitation with this strat, imo we should always attack obvious leaks of the population (overfolding in some spots, overstabbing, not valuebetting thin enough, obvious overbluffs), but the higher we move, more we will find better regs that know the pool well and will make our life harder by hiding themselves behind those pool tendencies and owning regs who are already counter-exploiting these tendencies.

One example is this overbet fiesta that is going on even on nl50, regs overbluff because population overfolds, so good regs will put only value with that sizing and own the regs who are owning the pool by overcalling. So far at nl50 I rarely see value, but on higher stakes(specially nl200-nl500) I expect to see a lot of value with overbets, the higher the skill level, more counter-exploits we should find, but when should we start overfolding to overbets again? Really tough question.

I believe this approach is a very good one for someone trying to move up with consistency and patience, by playing theory you will make a moderate/low EV in this high-rake environment, but you will get to nl200-nl500 more prepared to deal with those smart regs who know the pool tendencies and counter-counter-exploit them thinking villain is competent enough(and a lot are in this aspect, not saying they are good) to go explo. Just call with good blockers and rng marginal ones.

The other approach is to go crazy with exploits and try really hard to own every reg in the pool, this can be tricky because of tilt/metagame/being 2 steps ahead, those factors can change the winner in a reg battle and there are tons of nuances in there, gotta pay attention to all of those. Winrates are high, as a matter of fact, they can go as high as 10bb/100 imo, but you open yourself to get owned, you can easily have big -EV days with this approach, losing as much as a whale fwiw.

I like this approach right now, specially when you're the best reg in the pool, you know more and you have to use that to leverage a higher winrate, reduce variance and move up fast. Sure, I might not be the best nl200 reg(maybe not even the best nl100 reg), but it's a matter of how high you are in that pool, if you're ahead of most regs, then you're losing EV by not opening yourself to exploitation, sure, you will get owned sometimes, but it's fine, if most people are trying to exploit mediocre regs and you're exploiting this tendency, then you will do fine.

Some guys have success with each of those approaches, but I believe that to be able to play HS you have to master the first one, theory is always more important than explo vs tough opponents, but explo is king vs weak ones. I think I will keep playing super explo on nl50 and nl100, maybe will shift a bit of my strat on nl100 just to get used to it and get to nl200 without being rusty with my gto strat(it has been some months since I've played it lol)


Vs reg

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 211.78 BB
MP: 107.86 BB
CO: 112.32 BB
Hero (BTN): 215.82 BB
SB: 121.86 BB
BB: 106.18 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A J

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 7 5 6
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 3
CO bets 16.64 BB, Hero calls 16.64 BB

River: (50.78 BB, 2 players) Q
CO bets 87.68 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 87.68 BB

CO shows 8 8 (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 57%, Flop 77%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows A J (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 43%, Flop 23%, Turn 14%)

CO wins 218.14 BB

Really good song from Brazil, really like the lyrics, very poetic

Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
05-06-2023 , 10:07 AM
"One example is this overbet fiesta that is going on even on nl50, regs overbluff because population overfolds, so good regs will put only value with that sizing and own the regs who are owning the pool by overcalling."

But by making those counter-exploits, aren´t they opening themselves to just another round of counter-counter-exploits?

Everything you said make sense, but did you do any recent MDA study with large samples of midstakes hands to see if there are a significant number of regs doing this or any other "non-standard" stuff?
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
05-06-2023 , 10:15 AM
My point being that 1 good reg doing this on a pool of 100 won´t even be noticed, 25% doing it will. If the explos still work fine (Idk, don´t play this site nor play hyper-explo myself), and you do it the same way other explo-regs do for stealth reasons so they can´t get a player read and target you, changing it bc of 1 reg is an ego thing, better to let him exploit you, GG sir, life goes on, and profit from the 99 other regs. And do the adjustment yourself vs the bad regs ofc. But if it is significant, then you need to adjust.

My 2c
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
05-08-2023 , 02:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH

But by making those counter-exploits, aren´t they opening themselves to just another round of counter-counter-exploits? : D
Yes, but the question here is if it's worth to overcall their overbets? I have 0 clue, it has been a while since I've been a reg at nl200, back then it was super +EV to overcall overbets and go value-heavy with them, today it might be wrong, have 0 clue on regs in there. The meta might be different from zone to reg tables too, I suspect that people might bluff more at zone since there's a chance villain is a fish and they overfold vs overbets

Quote:
Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
Everything you said make sense, but did you do any recent MDA study with large samples of midstakes hands to see if there are a significant number of regs doing this or any other "non-standard" stuff?
No, my HH are from 2019-2021(if they are saved anywhere, probably lost a lot of my Bodog HH recently).

Tbh it's not a big deal, those overbet spots come often and playing them well is important, but my conclusion is that the better people are, the closer it gets and lower the size of the mistake(if there is any). Obv gotta pay attention to the pool later to not get owned. In nl100 I will look at all overbet spots to learn that when I have the HH.
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
05-12-2023 , 09:47 AM
Going to make a challenge to study theory on pio every week, haven't studied really hard in more than 2 years, yesterday I studied a lot about 4-bets UTG vs MP, really cool stuff, those are my ideas for next weeks:

18/05 - effects on unprotected ranges and overbet sizes, differences in EV in the rest of the range, getting punished in bad runnouts and underbluffing on good runouts (or having to turn sdv into bluffs).

25/05 - nuances between non-rng preflop players and monker calling ranges vs 3-bets BTN vs SB, probably just barrel lighter vs weaker regs, some smart counter adjustments from BTN too, how far SB can overbluff so we start developing a shipping range OTT?

01/06 - protecting an OOP checking range OTT, no range checking OTF, enough of studying that strat, going to test some cool sizes and see the differences between those. Have to study GTO calling ranges BTN vs CO and BTN vs UTG, as well as BTN vs SB calling ranges. Imo it's soooo bad to do that lol, rake is insane in the games I play, maybe if there's a fish in the blinds? Going really explo with this one. Going to study reg vs reg HU situations on those positions with good ranges and looser too (got to overcall vs big fish in the blinds).

08/06 - Study on 4-bet play BTN vs SB and UTG vs SB, differences between those with BB polarized 3-bet range.

15/06 - river play IP vs BB after a double barrel, differences from good ranges, overbluffs OTT and underbluffs OTT. Going for IP's perspective

22/06 - 3-bet pots OOP and IP vs that, UTG vs MP, UTG vs BTN, also BTN vs CO.

29/06 - same as day 15/06, but looking at OOP's perspective, x/ship river triple barrels are quite interesting to study lol.


Let's see if this motivates me to play more, maybe I should play solid once a week just to figure out how horrifying people play vs that lol, wouldn't be surprised If I could improve some spots of my game for doing that, also nice to get more in depth with theory. Tbh I love studying poker, just used to think it wasn't +EV in the games I was playing, was going more on a basis of learning by playing, which was very good because of bodog hh, it was so enlightening to see people overbluffing lol, I was a nit, now I station so much lol. Obv vs good regs I can find a reasonable calling and folding range, going more in depth with that.


Some hands

H1: fishy line with some serious logic behind it, I like this one a lot

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 101 BB
MP: 101.52 BB
CO: 101.02 BB
BTN: 24.94 BB
SB: 124.24 BB
Hero (BB): 133.78 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 6

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 7 9 T
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 2.14 BB, MP raises to 10.68 BB, Hero calls 8.54 BB

River: (25.86 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 7 BB, fold

Spoiler:
Hero shows 5 6 (High Card, Ten)

MP shows J K (High Card, King)


Hero wins 24.58 BB



H2: Bit2easy lol

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 110.5 BB
BTN: 101.5 BB
SB: 109.68 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 93.78 BB
MP: 161.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 3 T 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 2.62 BB, Hero raises to 10.24 BB, BTN calls 7.62 BB

Turn: (25.98 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets 8.16 BB, Hero calls 8.16 BB

River: (42.3 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 48.24 BB, Hero raises to 79.1 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
Hero shows 7 Q (One Pair, Tens)

BTN shows 9 6 (One Pair, Tens)


Hero wins 131.86 BB



H3: good combo, wasn't expecting to see many bluffs from villain in there

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 99 BB
MP: 161.74 BB
CO: 100 BB
Hero (BTN): 125.22 BB
SB: 111.22 BB
BB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) J 7 7
BB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, BB raises to 6.1 BB, Hero calls 4.1 BB

Turn: (18.7 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 6.04 BB, Hero calls 6.04 BB

River: (30.78 BB, 2 players) T
BB bets 22.82 BB, Hero raises to 110.08 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
Hero shows J Q (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens)

BB shows 9 K (One Pair, Sevens)

Hero wins 72.6 BB



H4: was messing with this reg pre lol, he tilted again after this one and shipped me another stack vaaaaaaaamo

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 41.86 BB
SB: 120.88 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 119.9 BB
MP: 96.5 BB
Hero (CO): 104.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 10 BB

Flop: (32.5 BB, 2 players) 7 2 J
MP checks, Hero bets 7 BB, MP calls 7 BB

Turn: (46.5 BB, 2 players) 3
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (46.5 BB, 2 players) 6
MP bets 12.1 BB, Hero raises to 82.68 BB and is all-in, MP calls 62.4 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows J Q (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 55%, Flop 93%, Turn 97%)
MP shows 8 8 (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 45%, Flop 7%, Turn 3%)

Hero wins 187.5 BB



H5: Amazing to see how I went from "no set no bet" mentality to this lol

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 133.34 BB
BB: 129.52 BB
UTG: 49.64 BB
MP: 101.5 BB
Hero (CO): 165.4 BB
BTN: 104.78 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 3

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, SB raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 5 BB

Flop: (14 BB, 2 players) 6 9 Q
SB bets 4.32 BB, Hero calls 4.32 BB

Turn: (22.64 BB, 2 players) 6
SB checks, Hero bets 10.76 BB, SB raises to 31.28 BB, Hero calls 20.52 BB

River: (85.2 BB, 2 players) K
SB bets 91.74 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 91.74 BB

Spoiler:
SB shows 7 8 (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 57%, Turn 39%)
Hero shows 3 3 (Two Pair, Sixes and Threes)
(Pre 48%, Flop 43%, Turn 61%)

Hero wins 260.68 BB





vaaaaaaaamo!!
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
05-12-2023 , 10:00 AM
Quote:
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 41.86 BB
SB: 120.88 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 119.9 BB
MP: 96.5 BB
Hero (CO): 104.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 10 BB

Flop: (32.5 BB, 2 players) 7 2 J
MP checks, Hero bets 7 BB, MP calls 7 BB

Turn: (46.5 BB, 2 players) 3
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (46.5 BB, 2 players) 6
MP bets 12.1 BB, Hero raises to 82.68 BB and is all-in, MP calls 62.4 BB and is all-in
BOLD!
Rapidesh123, Fighting Gold!!! Quote
05-13-2023 , 10:49 AM
Cold calling IP

Part 1 - Preflop and flop Play

Going to study this one first, really curious about this spot. First thing about this is that this spot is very rare and won't impact much the winrate, but I'm not here to give you the holy grail of explo tactics to destroy the average reg in nl50/fish, I'm doing these studies as a form of curiosity to improve as a player. I've already done a lot of study in the more common spots already, so going more in depth with these rare spots, also this spot isn't as rare as one might think, considering most games revolve around fish, there will be a lot of calling IP from regs to capitalize on the fish, so even on HS games this is relevant. You don't want to be facing a strong reg calling a loose range IP and let him run you over easily in this spot, even if you play 3-bet or fold pre (I advise against it with fish in the blinds, unless in high rake games) it's good to know at least how OOP is playing this spot.

1 - My thoughts on cold calling

Sure, in theory in a very low rake environment vs tough opponents it might add some extra EV to the strat(not much though), vs light squeezes we suffer a lot, vs tighter than monker opens some parts of our CC range will lose value (KQo/KJo type of hands), some might make more money by facing less protected ranges on some boards (like 56s/Axs on some good runnouts vs UTG opens without rng opens with SCs and Axs), need to study it to capitalize on it though.

Imo the best benefit of having a CC range is because if there's a fish behind we want to get involved, but sometimes we might end up playing vs regs HU, so if I want to implement CC, then it's important to study at least how it is flop and turn play in theory, going to ignore river play and do it on the fly exploitatively for now and focus on going heavy with theory OTF and OTT to get to the river with decent ranges and then later study only river play on this part of the game tree.

Another good thing about having a CC range is that we can capture some good EV while exploiting with tighter 3-bets vs weaker regs (sometimes gotta chill off a bit with our 3-bets/folds like KQo/AJo BTN vs CO vs a reg we 3-bet 2 times in a row lol). Also people play horribly OOP, the best ones range X OTF and it's easy to play vs that, some guys double barrel too much, some range and double barrel too little, so many ways to make EV in that spot.

1.1 - Ranges I will use

Monker BTN vs CO range:



Monker BTN vs UTG range:



Overcalls BTN vs UTG/CO range:



2 - Pre-flop play

Imo the first thing we should think when we CC is how are we dealing with squeezes (not that people go crazy with those in the games I play, but gotta have a plan for that), calling and calling again and playing a big pot MW vs 2 ranges that crush us is terrible 100bb deep, maybe with hands like 45s-78s and 22-88 we might make EV vs unprotected ranges, very hard to be +EV vs 2 competent opponents after rake though, so going to play a backjam or fold strat, it seems monker takes care about that situation a bit with some traps with QQ/AK/AQ/JJ vs UTG and 99-JJ vs CO, maybe just ship our best hands + some A5s for the backjam? Not going to make some old school study here with pokerstove, tbh it feels like a waste of time to do that, because I can't see much fold equity from villains in that spot.

My idea here is just to threaten a bit of their squeezes with a reasonable backraising range that will get value from some light calls and deny some equity from greedy squeeze ranges. If villain is squeezing with respect, then this backjamming range might lose us money, but we punish them if they go too loose with 3-bets and overcall vs our capped range, that's how I want this to be. So backraising will be an exploitative adjustment vs wide squeezes, just that, vs good ranges I believe we can CC and overfold (we will leave EV on the table when we get squeezed, but will make extra when the fish comes along and hopefully play well HU vs regs in a SRP pot, the point of this study is to learn how to play well vs tough opposition in this spot).

3 - Flop play

Flop play is very important, but here we must ask ourselves this question: vs whom are we playing? Depending on the answer of that question, we might shift our strats by a lot, it's good to have as many tricks under your hat as possible imo, gotta study the different approaches we will have both IP vs RFI and OOP vs CC.

3.1 - OOP Range checking

Range checking is such a common strat and it plays so well vs bad players, but if you're playing this vs a good player, then you will get owned. If villain knows which type of strat you're using he will make so much EV vs that and there isn't much you can do OTT/OTR to counterbalance the exploits villain will have for you OTF, in the best case scenario, villain might realize more equity by checking back a lot, which it's a very forgiving strategy a good reg might use vs range checking.

Back in 2015 Sauce123 came with this concept that was insanely good: when OOP, people bet too much value and x very weak, so overstabbing was a thing, vs that, if you range check, you capitalize on that weak mergy range and polarize yourself, putting some good pressure vs that, getting both value, equity denial and realizing more equity with your range, a weak mergy range can't stand the heat very well in that spot, so IP had to watch out for their range while stabbing, a factor that gets amplified by how wider CC ranges ae developed, the good boards for IP are obvious too, so it's easy for OOP to attack the right boards and respect the stabs on bad boards.

The thing here is: if you're facing GODofHU for the first time in a table, if he doesn't know you and suspects you're a reg, the first read he will have on your play OTF is that you're range checking, you can't let people be right so easily after 0 hands played, not even after a decent amount of hands played, it's just bad strat. Sure, a good reg might have a decent idea on 3-bet and 4-bet ranges from population, but pre-flop ranges are way different than post-flop ranges, most of the EV in poker is made post-flop, so if we can study a new strat, then it's good practice to avoid getting owned easily. We need to force mistakes by villain, so it's necessary to complicate the game tree. Imo going with the bad fish strat (x weak and bet strong) is a better strat than range checking when first facing a good opponent, few people would expect a reg to play that badly, which makes it decent lol. Obv after some hands it's easy to figure out these things.

3.2 - Differences between UTG vs BTN and CO vs BTN with monker ranges

The first thing I've figured out during the sim of J73ssh was that if you don't give OOP a 3-betting option, IP will play raise or fold, raising 75% of the range vs a bet. it's probably like that because IP's cold calling range is a very strong one, lots of good broadways, very protected on that texture. Quite counterintuitive, I was expecting to see IP playing by calling a lot with very few raises in there because we got position, but when you have a good amount of share of the pot, you have to play aggressively to get value/equity denial too. Lots of 3-bets OTF too from OOP, coming from a 17% cbet going for 25% of the pot. Lots of checking going on, maybe range checking isn't such a bad strat in there as I thought, but it's like that for another reason: monker IP's calling range is way tighter than people's calling ranges, let's see how it goes with wider cold calling ranges later.

EVs are 3.6 for IP and 2.3 for OOP.

Flop cbet



When we give OOP the option to 3-bet, this is how pio plays IP's range:



Now OOP 3-betting vs that



Watch out that it's cbetting with very low frequency, so the final combos of 7x going for the 3-bet are very low, if people are betting a lot OTF and 3-betting a lot of 7x, then they will be overbluffing by an insane amount, lots of easy money going to IP's Jx+ hands and sets, IP can go crazy and underbluff raise too. Quite sick to see JTs unblocking the bdfd and fd is just going for it with the min-4-bet-call, crazy.

Lots of potential for exploits and we're only OTF with the most std sizing pio gave us, imo you got to feel villain, if you think he is cbetting more than 20% OTF, then he is going wider than he should, you have to raise more thinly for value and add more bluffs vs that, also calling more too. Now if villain is raising your flop cbet a lot, he is doing a good job, he is supposed to raise us a lot in there, just gotta watch out for overbluffs and adapt with tighter cbets and higher frequency 3-bets vs that.

Now let's see vs UTG ranges, one thing that it's important to know is that we should call more vs UTG than vs CO, imo the idea behind this is that a lot of the hands that want to call play poorly vs 4-bets (like QJs, KTs, AJs, AQo), while they make decent calls vs 4-bets BTN vs CO, also UTG is stronger and people should squeeze tighter vs that. Here it is the result:

EV 3.2 (IP) vs 2.7 (OOP)

OOP is cbetting a lot, 34%, quite interesting, This is how IP is playing vs the flop cbet:



3.3 - Differences between looser calling ranges vs monker ranges

These ranges are more similar to a real play scenario, few people RNG their calls pre, they just defend wider with a fish in the blinds, so these ranges are the ones I'm using from now on. It's good to know how the play is with monker ranges because we should always use theory as a baseline for our strat, now this is a complete different situation from the monker ranges:

EV 2.8 (IP) vs 3.2 (OOP)



The EVs have changed so much that OOP is cbetting a lot, 51% frequency with 25% sizing, going to study a lot of different sizings on lots of boards and see if I like any:

T95ssh: 50% sizing 58 frequency
A27ssh: 25% sizing 20% frequency, few raises from IP btw.
K72ssh: 25% sizing 100% frequency
Q72ssh: 25% sizing 55% frequency
J73ssh: 25% sizing 51% frequency

Going to study the turn play on those boards later, quite surprised by how pio plays T95ssh, going to run a sim on that texture with monker ranges just to see what's going on in there, here it's the flop play:

T96ssh monker ranges (UTG vs BTN):



This was a big deal, quite crazy to see the difference between monker ranges and loose ranges in this spot in IP's shoes. from 58% cbets for 50% sizing to 13% for 50% sizing, quite crazy how those low PPs and Ax play poorly on these textures. I always used to think this board was insane for IP, just because how everyone destroys OOP in those, but from looking at those sims, I have to figure out some sort of strat OTF in this type of boards to keep going on the study. So will go deeper a little bit on these type of boards, specially on explo play (which I expect to see pretty much everyone, even top regs to go super explo on textures like these).

3.3.1 - T95ssh-type of boards on CC scenarios with loose ranges

My strat in this spot was to just range check and give respect to IP, it was one of the few spots where I was "sure" range checking was decent, tbh it still is because pretty much everyone overstabs in there. So will start by looking at how range checking plays, then will move to 50% and checks, got to study a bit of turn play to see how we should construct our ranges OTF. Here are the EVs:

With bets and checks:
EV 2.6 (IP) 3.4 (OOP)

With range checking vs a node locked stab:
EV 2.6 (IP) 3.4 (OOP)

Here are some ranges for this spot:

IP stabs:



OOP x/r:



Watch out that OOP is check-raising a range revolving bdfd hands, but mostly calling QQ/KK, it's x/r JTcc in there, crazy. One good thing to note is that we're not checking many FDs other than A5s. Imo people will overdefend vs the x/r OTF, so we have to be very careful with what we're doing this with, overpairs aren't happy to get it in on these type of boards and IP has more 2p+ in his range than OOP (OOP cbets a lot of those), even with that, we still have to do a lot of x/r, IP can't get away with stabs easily in there.

OOP barreling OTT on blanks after x/r flop:



Wasn't expecting that, thought OOP was more focused on equity denial OTF and was going to slow down a lot OTT, protecting our checking ranges (which I don't think it's bad, again, because a lot of people overfloat OTF and overstab the turn mergy for a small sizing, giving us an opportunity to go for the x/r again). But it seems we just have to go for it in there on blanks, we chose a tight x/r range OTF, villain has to defend his equity, blank comes, nothing changes, we keep barreling.

On flush cards we play very cautiously(we have very few FDs x/r flop), but on pairing turns we keep barreling, didn't expect that, but villain has to defend a lot of PPs OTT on those boards, both players have a small amount of 9x, but I believe in practice IP will have more 9x than pio in there, because people like stabbing those for equity denial and pio x back half of 9Js/Q9s, almost all A9s.

Now I'm going to do something funky just to study some exploits in this spot, going to node lock IP for stabbing its regular stabbing range, but will node lock OOP with range checks, just to see the effect of overstabs vs range checking. Tbh this looks garbage, but it might make a lot of EV vs unaware opponents. Here it's how OOP x/r:



IP defends vs those with a very close range than it was doing before vs the x/r, OTT OOP keeps playing aggro on blanks, we go a bit more aggro on flush turns because we got FDs in our checking range (still checking a lot though). One interesting thing is that strats and EVs don't change much after range checking (other than doubling the x/r frequency OTF, on turns both players are playing a very similar strat as before), vs someone stabbing more than they should, EVs change a lot in there, quite interesting the turn strat and river strats in there, I recommend taking a look at how it's played after this node lock.

Now with range checking out of the way, let's study 50% and checks OTF:



Std stuff, got to be betting more with bdfds, watch out for checking some Tx (specially JT), 9x mostly checking, got to be betting some garbage unblocking at low frequency too. vs that IP raises a lot:



Quite interesting to see 8d8x and 7d7x going for it OTF, probably strong blockers vs the calling range, as well as some equity later in some runnouts and those might beat some sdv too. One interesting thing (and it has become very important in this specific study) is that OOP has to 3-bet a lot vs the IP raise, not 100% sure why it is like that, probably because of how the ranges are constructed, I'm used to see SB vs BB and there isn't as much heat in that spot as there is in this situation. One thing to note here is that OOP is 3-betting AA unblocking the FD (getting more value from FDs), and KK blocking the FD (more equity on average imo), it's 3-betting half of those in there. One interesting thing is that vs the min 4-bet AA is almost folding and KdKx is shipping, maybe that's the difference between the FD equity.

Decided that this has turned into a very long study, will end here and will study later the turn play on this spot (which was the goal from this), going to make a 2 part study.


Important things from this spot:

1 - Lots of exploits in this spot, one can argue that cold calling a GTO range might even overrealize in this spot because of how different the monker vs monker play is to a loose calling range (and I expect that most people study only the loose calling ranges in there and not monker fwiw), if you're a theory player and go with good pre-flop ranges (and don't go explo vs fish in the blinds), then you might make some extra EV vs the reg misplaying that tighter range thinking you're playing a loose garbage hand. Just look at the EVs, OOP is getting crushed monker vs monker and is crushing after IP calls wider. Later will study post-flop play on monker ranges, maybe it's decent vs light squeezers, so we can use the monker ranges vs that, but gotta learn postflop first so we don't misplay our range. I still believe calling wide is king, but got to have a backup plan too.

2 - Lots of IP raising vs tight cbets, I used to think this situation was similar to SB vs BB, but it's very different, when 2 strong ranges face each other you see them playing more aggro, probably to deny equity from garbage hands that have low EV in that spot. If I have to take anything from this study is that we should play very aggro and equity denial is very strong. People play this spot way more passively imo.

3 - If OOP isn't 3-betting the flop, he will get run over, got to study the defense vs that too, later will make one study OTT/OTR after 3-betting the flop and facing a call, I believe few people would overcomplicate and play with min 4-bets unless they're going explo, so will run a sim on that without 4-bets otf.
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05-17-2023 , 06:54 PM
Sorry guys, running very badly and playing badly too, made some mistakes, tough, dropped down to nl25 to regrind. I believe it's good, tbh could be playing zone for all this time, but learned a lot of sick metagame skills on reg tables. I really like those dynamics, specially vs tilted regs lol. So much ownage haha vamooooo.

Put 7h today, 8h yesterday, studied my database and created ranges better suited for nl25, thought a lot about the rake, paying 12bb/100 so far.

Going to study a lot of HH to see how people are playing. At least I'm starting to work hard and put some real volume, it's so easy to put volume with zone. Sadly I believe I become a worse player when I play it, so many crazy strats.


H1: vamoooooo

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 119.96 BB
BB: 54.68 BB
UTG: 188.68 BB
MP: 116.8 BB
Hero (CO): 124.84 BB
BTN: 100.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) K 7 2
SB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, SB calls 2 BB

Turn: (11 BB, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets 7.88 BB, SB calls 7.88 BB

River: (26.76 BB, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets 32.44 BB, fold

Spoiler:
Hero shows Q T (High Card, King)

SB shows 8 7 (One Pair, Sevens)

Hero wins 25.44 BB



H2: should go smaller OTT

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 99 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 55.08 BB
Hero (BB): 214.44 BB
UTG: 198.36 BB
MP: 97 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8 T

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.6 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.6 BB

Flop: (5.6 BB, 2 players) 7 5 J
Hero checks, CO bets 1.6 BB, Hero raises to 6.2 BB, CO calls 4.6 BB

Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 17.12 BB, CO calls 17.12 BB

River: (52.24 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 37.24 BB, CO raises to 73.08 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
CO shows K 8 (Flush, King High)

Hero shows 8 T (Straight, Jack High)

CO wins 120.4 BB



H3: This was legit one of the worst plays I've seen ever lol, look at the nl25 level haha vamoooooooo

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 153.52 BB
SB: 87.96 BB
BB: 90.56 BB
UTG: 46.4 BB
MP: 277.8 BB
CO: 124.96 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5 BB

Flop: (15.4 BB, 2 players) Q T J
CO checks, Hero bets 7.32 BB, CO calls 7.32 BB

Turn: (30.04 BB, 2 players) 9
CO bets 21.44 BB, Hero calls 21.44 BB

River: (72.92 BB, 2 players) 9
CO checks, Hero bets 51.96 BB, CO calls 51.96 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows J J (Full House, Jacks full of Nines)
(Pre 69%, Flop 72%, Turn 26%)
CO shows A 8 (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 31%, Flop 28%, Turn 74%)

Hero wins 168.84 BB



H4: Misread the preflop sizing with nl50 lol, so had to make some adjustments to make EV vs the whale lol

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 112.4 BB
BTN: 98.88 BB
SB: 109.08 BB
Hero (BB): 96.44 BB
UTG: 98.4 BB
MP: 130.96 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 4 BB

Flop: (10.4 BB, 2 players) K J 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 9.88 BB, Hero calls 9.88 BB

Turn: (30.16 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (30.16 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 81.56 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
Hero shows Q T (One Pair, Jacks)

BTN shows A Q (One Pair, Jacks)

Hero wins 28.68 BB
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