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Old 07-11-2017, 10:27 AM   #126
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A slight spanner in the works and a complete surprise.

My parents came up to see me and made the decision that they didn't think both poker and uni could work and I needed to make a choice now (even though I wasn't going to play in second year and both poker and uni are going well up to now).

They said they'd stop assisting me financially if I kept playing. I've spoken to them a lot and they feel I can make poker work but they feel uni and applying for internships is more important.

From a life ev standpoint ofc dropping poker is the best line. However I worked really hard to come from nothing to earn a respectable standing in spins. I had a dream of playing in the summer from around the world to have some experiences. Myself (and people in stable) think I can make it work too.

My dad wrote a massive letter (ik lol) to me saying how it was laughable to think I could make this work and I was naive to think I'd get anywhere, even though life ev states drop poker and crush the degree a big part of me wants to just say vamos and **** you and finish this year of poker and uni by being a life best and doing it off my own role.

I guess I really am spinning my way to new experiences, just in a bit of a different way than I thought I would.

Any thoughts/opinions would be appreciated! Dw I haven't decided yet, I'm having multiple "sleeps" on it and will probs make a call by Friday.
I will tell you what Jesse Livermore told me(vis his book). He said if i take jim's Tip to buy a certain stock i need Jim again to sell the stock. what if jim is not around.

your dad loves you. he will cut off his liver and feed it to the wolves to keep you safe.

But this is your stock. your company. you are the CEO. you cannot take tips. you will be making the worst mistakes if you give up poker.

you are convincing yourself to give up something that YOU believe you are good at.

its not about poker its what your are telling yourself if you quit poker. you need to trade your own stock and accept responsibility. if you regret this you will be bitter and blaming them

if the decision turns out wrong you will not blame yourself. its like poker you will know 100% cbetting doesnt work. you will learn from your mistake and take a better line

life is a long game. somewhere midway there will be no more parents.

Under no condition should you fight or shout with them, treat them with utmost patience and ask them to believe in you. and ofcourse risk being cutoff staying hungry etc

if you cannot take the risk then you dont really believe in what you wrote about poker. whole thread including my post is moot.
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Old 07-11-2017, 12:41 PM   #127
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tough one man, nothing else you can do
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Old 07-11-2017, 12:44 PM   #128
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I'm no expert, but why are you raising bottom two when he's clearly FOS? ul on 2nd tho
On second thought I think call is much better.

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I will tell you what Jesse Livermore told me(vis his book). He said if i take jim's Tip to buy a certain stock i need Jim again to sell the stock. what if jim is not around.

your dad loves you. he will cut off his liver and feed it to the wolves to keep you safe.

But this is your stock. your company. you are the CEO. you cannot take tips. you will be making the worst mistakes if you give up poker.

you are convincing yourself to give up something that YOU believe you are good at.

its not about poker its what your are telling yourself if you quit poker. you need to trade your own stock and accept responsibility. if you regret this you will be bitter and blaming them

if the decision turns out wrong you will not blame yourself. its like poker you will know 100% cbetting doesnt work. you will learn from your mistake and take a better line

life is a long game. somewhere midway there will be no more parents.

Under no condition should you fight or shout with them, treat them with utmost patience and ask them to believe in you. and ofcourse risk being cutoff staying hungry etc

if you cannot take the risk then you dont really believe in what you wrote about poker. whole thread including my post is moot.
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tough one man, nothing else you can do
Agree with this a lot, I'm sticking with it and going to keep working hard to improve. Thanks for taking your time to write this.
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Old 07-11-2017, 12:49 PM   #129
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btw the alchemist is the only book u need for life

i do recommend reading jesse livermore i can send it via pm if you want. its about trading but you will find everything rings true for poker

i hv read it over 100 times now. almost every trader has read it once. most of them 10+

feel free to pm if u feel like reading the book or want any info on trading or if u r just feeling like a pressure cooker.

GL
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Old 07-11-2017, 09:18 PM   #130
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On second thought I think call is much better.
yeh it's either a call or jam, raising smaller makes little sense as he's going to make huge calling mistakes vs a jam and fold all of his FOS hands vs any sized raise.
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:35 PM   #131
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So life is all over the place currently, I'll refrain from a huge essay and a bunch of detail but I'm pretty overwhelmed to say the least.

So at first glance I'm realising how much it's costing for this year ahead, it's a lot of money I'll need to make to even break even when factoring in living costs, basically I need to make around 6k.

Gets worse due to parents not wanting to give me the inheritance from my grandparents due to the fact I said I would use a small part of it on living costs before I receive my student loan. The funny thing is they were giving me the inheritance at this stage for that exact reason (living costs) and now I'm in the wrong and ungrateful because they changed their mind.

Anyway, I'll make it without that, will just have to grind harder and smarter.

Also I'm currently revising for some university retakes which take place in 2-3 weeks. I punted the final bit of the year pretty hard, in fact my results up to when I quit poker (in Feb) were actually decent but as you can imagine your parents saying they'll disown you and you constantly changing your mind about everything is pretty bad for ones mental game (in life).

That being said I'm super motivated to crush this coming year of university. For the first time I actually want to get into a rythm and do well at university. I'll still be playing poker 25-30 hours a week but if I get my **** together it's totally doable to balance both (imo).

And in another area I have no real idea of what I want to do after university (common problem I imagine but still). Part of me wants to find something that really works for me and I can get super driven for but I suppose it's important not to look for something too hard since that seems the kind of stuff that gets people involved in cults.

Anyway all this **** aside I really want to get my life together over the coming months so I can prove to myself that I can achieve great things when I knuckle down.

Poker is going okay I suppose, recent results have been alright, the 200x loss hurt a lot tbh, partly because the money would have really helped but I'm sure there are other subconcious side effects which are hurting my game rn.

Anyway onwards and upwards, I head back to London in just under two weeks so time to make the most out of the remaining time I have here.
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Old 07-15-2017, 06:33 PM   #132
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I'm wondering about the rarity of the big multipliers..
How many spins have you played before you hit a 200x?
Any other big ones to speak of?
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:03 PM   #133
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200x is around 1/20k and 100x 1/10k.

25x every 1k games.

Played like 7-8k before spinning, got around 5 25x
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Old 07-16-2017, 02:33 PM   #134
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Where are you getting your numbers from?
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Old 07-16-2017, 04:29 PM   #135
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Where are you getting your numbers from?
https://www.pokerstars.eu/poker/spin-and-go/

probably...
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Old 07-16-2017, 04:37 PM   #136
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Yeah it's in on stars site, i mean I did mine off top of head so may be some differences but yeah
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Old 07-16-2017, 05:41 PM   #137
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Ok source checks out..
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Old 07-16-2017, 06:08 PM   #138
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I'm trying to find my feet as a grinder. I've just started dabbling with spins recently and trying to figure out how they compare to regular sngs in terms of variance.
What has been your biggest downswing in 7-8k games?
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:50 PM   #139
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Umm I think I've had 100BI downswings 2 or 3 times. Nothing much worse than that, in fact this year I've never really got below the 50-60 BI mark thats largely due to variance (I've never had nut lo cev but yeah). It's not like I've run massively above ev (I mean after 200x most definitely not money wise), but I'm sure when you run bad ev wise and run bad in multiplier distribution you can get some pretty nasty swings.

Obvs not mentioning names but ik in the stable I'm in good players have got to 100-150ish MU even with good cev (50+) over those samples. Spins gonna spin.

One thing rather interesting is how quickly you can make it back, I think on many occasions I've had 50BI+ days just running good in multipliers, even winning 6xs and the occasional 10x does this.

So I'm going to start taking a lot more accountability for my actions, started writing daily routines for the remainder of my stay. My phone with the picture of it is stone dead (may actually need new phone) but I will go about posting the routine tomorrow. It starts around now and the first goal is to fix my sleep schedule, nearly 1am right now and will stay up till 9-10pm and start waking up at 6am, I'm always more effecient when I do this so it's a good place to start. I'll likely give out some freerolls too.
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Old 07-19-2017, 01:34 AM   #140
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How viable is spins post RB changes?
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Old 07-19-2017, 09:15 AM   #141
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How viable is spins post RB changes?
Hey, yeah it's a question I get a lot and my answer is somewhere around, hard to say, likely still decent. let me explain.

So as of right now I'd say the games are in a tough spot, rb is stupidly low, reg:fish ratios still v similar to what they were when rb existed. However, imo once some regs leave/**** stables go busto game quality will improve. It just really depends how many leave, I can't predict that, it's just a waiting game. The only downside is now every stake will get a bit tougher reg wise because the BE regs from the stake above will drop down etc. much like no rb 5/t+ fiasco.

So imo they'll always be traffic on stars in spins for the forseeable future (1-2 years) especially at 15/30/60? level, if you become one of the better regulars and just play with a few other regs who have stayed and a bunch of fish I think returns might not be that bad.

So yeah right now it's semi **** but interesting to see how much cevs increase due to regs moving in next few months.

Personally I'm actually interested how many regs make the jump to other sites, it's seemed like for every update "**** amaya" but then we're all drawn into the software and "games are still okay". I think this might be the final straw though, 3-4% rb is completely different to prior changes and ****s over those who get any reasonable volume (it ****s over everyone tbh).

So like always if you put the hard work in you can definitely hang around and prosper on stars, the thing is this time is that it's probably higher ev to hang somewhere else. Jackpot games wise though it's an interesting one because some sites get next to no traffic.
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Old 08-17-2017, 01:01 PM   #142
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UPDATE!
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Old 08-17-2017, 03:16 PM   #143
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Old 08-18-2017, 04:20 AM   #144
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Nice blog.

In the 200x you was running really bad. Hope you ship the next one.

When do you stream on Twitch?
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:20 AM   #145
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So I think it's time for an update...

My mental game is in a pretty **** place right now even though in theory it shouldn't be. Here's my graph from the past 10-14 days



This isn't mean to be some semi brag "look at my cev", actually far from it. I shouldn't really have much to be complaining about, I've been making splits, running decent etc but I still find my mindset in game to be aggressive and tbh downright disrespectful in regards to how I think about other peoples play. <- which is obviously stupid because I make mistakes all the time.

I'm aware this is completely irrational but I fear how my mindset will be when I actually run super bad, from around 9.8k-11.5k hands on the graph I was super tilted and definitely playing poorly based on how I was running. This brings me to question, should I even be checking my cev? Does it even matter? I also think there's something a bit deeper which is leading to my **** mentality.

I'm expecting university results which decide if I continue this coming year in a weeks time and it's ****ing with me since I know it's going to be super close. Whilst I can't do anything about it now it's still eating away at me and causing me a lot of greif.

I'm still trying to work on myself though, I've started reading into stoic philosophy indirectly due to family members having undergone cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) due to some mental health problems, I heard from some people there are a lot of crossovers between the two so I spend some time every day reading a book with small chapters which give clarity and insight into life. I'm also playing the piano a lot more and slowly but surely working my way through Nuvole Bianche.

I still have a bunch of time until uni starts and most of it is spent grinding and sleeping/eating/exercising, on Sunday I'm going to play some chess with my friend for a while (probably in Holland Park).

I'm aware this post is far more scattered than my usual ones but I felt the need to put out an update.

I'm actually doing a prop bet right now for 1.8k games at 15s+ with 50cev, I imagine I could perhaps ask to shot 30s right now given recent results but I want to grind this bet out at 15s hopefully crush it and then ask for the 30s shot.

Anyway peace!

Also I'll probably fire some WCOOP tourneys (just the shorthanded ones) because I'm a degen, time to punt in the HU again

Also the parents situation is actually very good, financially I'm not in complete **** and I feel I really made the right choice, they understand that this is what I want to do and can't change that. I think some relatively consistent results and the fact they think I'm not a moron (little do they know) helped my case but it doesn't really matter that much. I guess I feel a bit better that they've just settled and aren't giving me the "you're a degen stop we'll cut everything", but tbh, they can't, I'm financially independent now and they can't really control me which as I've discussed before is extremely liberating. It's definitely a valid viewpoint to suggest that if they were calling me a ****** etc it would give me more of a burning desire to prove them wrong but I think I'm already pretty committed, I've managed to refrain from having a normal student job for now and have no plans to go work in retail at Westfield to pay the bills so hopefully things keep going well.
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:06 PM   #146
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Just grind man focus on what's in front of you, the tables, decisions and opponents. Checking results does not really matter, especially short term. I went some time without checking results and can easily grind for a week or a month without checking. Eventually, you get to a point where you can literally refresh it every 2 minutes and be indifferent. I'm sure I don't have to tell you but 500 games is irrelevant. If you're going to look at a graph, open up the total sample and look at bigger picture. That's what I do when I go through swings.

Keep grinding!
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Old 09-30-2017, 09:51 PM   #147
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How's it going mate? I agree with poster above, I used to be a regular habitual graph checker. Make sure my play is winning, I'm actually playing good poker etc. But it's too taxing to constantly check especially when you know it really does matter very little due to CD and set ups etc. I now check once a week, every Saturday and that includes actual results as well. Most important thing is how well you feel you're playing. GL
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