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Small-stakes NLHE pro *100k hands TILT AWARENESS thread (Graphs ITT) Small-stakes NLHE pro *100k hands TILT AWARENESS thread (Graphs ITT)

04-23-2018 , 10:14 AM
Balancing flop checking range in this spot:

    Donald Trump Poker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37933620

    Hero (SB): $44.55 (89.1 bb)
    BB: $134.72 (269.4 bb)
    UTG: $49.64 (99.3 bb)
    MP: $60.39 (120.8 bb)
    CO: $51.82 (103.6 bb)
    BTN: $24.43 (48.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with T J
    2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $5, BB folds, CO calls $3.50

    Flop: ($10.50) J 7 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero raises to $28.50, CO raises to $46.82 and is all-in, Hero calls $11.05 and is all-in

    Turn: ($89.60) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($89.60) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $89.60 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: J 7 9 3 K
    Hero showed T J and lost (-$44.55 net)
    CO showed T Q and won $86.60 ($42.05 net)



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    Almost folded turn donk here but thought this player was playing pair and straight draw hands by donking turn often enough:

      Donald Trump Poker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37933621

      Hero (BTN): $55.54 (111.1 bb)
      SB: $85.41 (170.8 bb)
      BB: $51.12 (102.2 bb)
      UTG: $51.78 (103.6 bb)
      MP: $50.54 (101.1 bb)
      CO: $26.78 (53.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB folds

      Flop: ($3.50) 7 Q 9 (2 players)
      SB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $9.50, SB calls $6

      Turn: ($22.50) T (2 players)
      SB bets $22.50, Hero raises to $44.54 and is all-in, SB calls $22.04

      River: ($111.58) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $111.58 pot ($3.00 rake)
      Final Board: 7 Q 9 T K
      Hero showed A Q and lost (-$55.54 net)
      SB showed J T and won $108.58 ($53.04 net)



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      Small-stakes NLHE pro *100k hands TILT AWARENESS thread (Graphs ITT) Quote
      04-23-2018 , 10:23 AM
      Turn check here is debatable. I remember thinking this guy had enough random flop floats that he'd bluff with but since there are two flush draws on turn i think betting may be better:

        Donald Trump Poker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37933623

        MP: $22.17 (44.3 bb)
        CO: $113.20 (226.4 bb)
        BTN: $49.25 (98.5 bb)
        SB: $40.22 (80.4 bb)
        Hero (BB): $56.88 (113.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
        2 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $5.50, BTN calls $4

        Flop: ($11.25) 5 Q 3 (2 players)
        Hero bets $6.50, BTN calls $6.50

        Turn: ($24.25) 9 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $13.50, Hero raises to $44.88 and is all-in, BTN calls $23.75 and is all-in

        River: ($98.75) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $98.75 pot ($3 rake)
        Final Board: 5 Q 3 9 T
        BTN showed 6 8 and lost (-$49.25 net)
        Hero showed Q K and won $95.75 ($46.50 net)



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        Last edited by Tandy; 04-23-2018 at 10:41 AM.
        Small-stakes NLHE pro *100k hands TILT AWARENESS thread (Graphs ITT) Quote
        04-23-2018 , 10:39 AM
        I've been pretty disciplined about meditation and exercising a least a small amount every day. I do think these things are helping some.

        I run into issues with tilt when the suckouts are numerous. The irony is that while the entire underlying cause of my negative emotion is lack of control of my income (via bad "luck") the reality is my reaction to suckouts, set-ups etc is causing even less control of my income.

        I can see all this logically but for me the true test is being able to implement this in the heat of the battle. This concept of "not throwing money away" hasn't made it to the sub-conscious level apparently (Jared Tendler concept) which is surprising considering how long I've been playing. It may be an issue with having a fragile ego at the table that my mind thinks it needs to protect every single time, and this is what is provoking an emotional response.

        I want to play a lot of volume but right now i have trouble trusting myself because I feel like as I get more tired, the chances of going off the rails increases as I get tired. It takes awhile to find the right tables, etc so the idea of quitting every time a couple of suckouts occur is not appealing really and isn't solving the underlying cause.

        I'll keep trying and I'd say there has been SOME improvement recently so at least I have that. "Journaling" my status here also seems to help keep myself accountable.
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        04-23-2018 , 05:21 PM
        Me AF:

        Injustice tilt develops from fundamental weaknesses or errors in a player’s ability to filter results, and that ultimately skews what they believe is fair.

        Tendler, Jared; Carter, Barry. The Mental Game of Poker: Proven Strategies For Improving Tilt Control, Confidence, Motivation, Coping with Variance, and More (p. 96). Jared Tendler, LLC. Kindle Edition.

        Working on my "results filter". An unfair outcome is a threat to me on a primal level for some reason. I say primal because the reaction is instantaneous.
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        04-24-2018 , 03:57 PM
        About to play a few hrs. Only goal today is to start to CONSIDER filtering losing hands as a great high stakes player might, as just part of the landscape. Many of the high stakes players i've heard talking about tilt simply never had any issue with it and its likely because they just look at things differently in the heat of the moment.
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        04-24-2018 , 05:57 PM
        Just played 1.5 hrs, session cut short due to uncontrollable circumstances (hint: it involved a restroom )

        I had a couple of tilt-trigger hands occur but doing what I mentioned in the post above seemed to help.

        I've had the Jared Tendler book for years and have read it a few times but I never noticed the "filtering of results" part. It seems to be at the root of the problem for me.

        I imagine it will take a some time but I need to give my brain another option as to reacting when a trigger hand happens.

        These two hands happened within a minute or so and I remembered to think about filtering and didnt freak out lol:

          Donald Trump Poker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          SB: $79.95 (159.9 bb)
          Hero (BB): $49.25 (98.5 bb)
          BTN: $31.59 (63.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 J
          BTN calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks

          Flop: ($1.50) J J A (3 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $1, BTN calls $1, SB folds

          Turn: ($3.50) T (2 players)
          Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

          River: ($8.50) Q (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

          Spoiler:
          Results: $25.50 pot ($1.27 rake)
          Final Board: J J A T Q
          Hero mucked 7 J and lost (-$12.50 net)
          BTN showed 5 K and won $24.23 ($11.73 net)





            Donald Trump Poker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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            BTN: $56.01 (112 bb)
            SB: $49.50 (99 bb)
            BB: $70.35 (140.7 bb)
            UTG: $18.11 (36.2 bb)
            MP: $19.20 (38.4 bb)
            Hero (CO): $55.47 (110.9 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
            2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB folds, BB raises to $7, Hero calls $5.50, BTN calls $5.50

            Flop: ($21.25) 8 3 9 (3 players)
            BB bets $13, Hero raises to $48.47 and is all-in, BTN folds, BB calls $35.47

            Turn: ($118.19) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: ($118.19) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $118.19 pot ($3 rake)
            Final Board: 8 3 9 4 4
            BTN mucked and lost (-$7 net)
            BB showed A A and won $115.19 ($59.72 net)
            Hero showed K K and lost (-$55.47 net)


            Also, I've noticed this before but just having a focal point for my mind during the session tends to help. This exercise today was distracting enough that I survived some bad luck. Hopefully I'm on to something
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            04-27-2018 , 06:51 PM
            Here's the last year or so. I'm running way over EV recently which is surprising!




            Overall the focus on "filtering" that I picked up from re-reading Jared Tendler's description of "injustice tilt" is helping.

            For me it means not interpreting the loss of money due to randomness as threatening to my well-being, and doing so in real time, at the table.

            I've been thinking about whether or not this issue presents itself to me in other aspects of my life and I think it does. I'm hyper sensitive and emotional in areas where I may be threatened in some way, i.e. my relationship. If I sense my gf drifting towards other people, for example, i tend to have a strong reaction in my head. Too strong.

            All of this makes sense to me logically when I spell it out but again, it's all about handling the "insta-filtering" of data I'm receiving and filing it properly in the moment.

            My strategy as to how to implement proper filtering isn't clear yet but I'll start with reminding myself before each session, as part of mental warm-up (after meditation and exercise).
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            04-27-2018 , 08:23 PM
            Also THREAD SAVER aka my GF:




            JK, it's
            Spoiler:
            Bryanna Holly
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            04-27-2018 , 09:52 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Tandy
            Current strategy:

            Read Jared Tendler's book "Mental Game of Poker" again and implement some of his strategies.

            Meditation daily (before playing)

            Exercise daily (before playing)

            Play less tables (4-7 instead 6-10)

            Check results less (maybe every few days)
            that last idea sounds good, think im gonna start doing that myself, pretty sure i play way better when i dont pay any attention wehatsoever to how much im up or down a session, and as long as your adequately rollled for the games you play really guess you should very rarely have to actually look.

            good luck dude im pinching that 2nd idea and last one
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            04-27-2018 , 11:51 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by tightdonkey
            that last idea sounds good, think im gonna start doing that myself, pretty sure i play way better when i dont pay any attention wehatsoever to how much im up or down a session, and as long as your adequately rollled for the games you play really guess you should very rarely have to actually look.

            good luck dude im pinching that 2nd idea and last one
            TY

            Yeah it makes a big difference for me when I'm just thinking about making the best play all the time. I've had some of my biggest days when I consciously don't check my balance for a few days.

            GL
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            05-06-2018 , 11:46 PM
            Regressed a bit lately. I took a break of a couple of days, then when i came back I started tilting a bit more easily. So for the last 3 days for me it's been an issue. Not monkey-tilt level but still a bit disappointing given the progress I had made prior to the break.

            The whole issue is what I'm focusing on. Away from the tables, it all makes perfect sense: get angry, lose more money!

            In session, it's not so easy to remember such things. I think i have to just keep hammering the knowledge i've acquired home, over and over to get it to a subconscious level.

            My PT4 isn't really tracking all hands properly of late and isn't therefore accurate. I haven't been losing a lot or anything, just kind of breaking even for a few days, due to spewing a bit too much. I can't wait to conquer this because I'm kind of a decent winner in spite of this issue, so I think the sky is the limit for me, speaking in terms of mid-stakes win rate, if I can solve this.

            I'll keep trying
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            05-08-2018 , 12:36 AM
            OK today went pretty well. I don't recall getting too ticked about anything really. That said, i didn't play more than maybe 3 hrs.

            The ideal approach to "filtering" what's happening before me is to see it all as data I think. I'm a very natural "counter", or a person who enjoys counting things. I was always into baseball stats, etc growing up and i've even dabbled in accounting because it's pretty natural to me, so if I can get to the point where I can take the human element out of what I'm seeing and simply categorize things as they come, I may be able to get to my optimal mindset more often.

            Yes, I guess, I'm asking myself to function more like a robot lol

            I've already established that the reasoning that causes my tilt isn't really valid so I think if i can start to have a more robotic approach to filtering results in real-time that will be the basis from which I can then add some more positive "human" reactions to my approach.

            First things first though. I need to think of a way to keep myself sorting results mentally while i play, rather than getting to the point where I get threatened by "all the injustice" LOL @ me
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            05-10-2018 , 11:42 PM
            Today I had a few beats occur. I felt myself trying to figure out how to react in the moment. Ultimately, after a few more annoying hands occurred, I did get angry. But the interesting thing is I didn't really spew too bad due to anger. It's fairly unusual for me
            to get angry and not have it lead to crazy, aggressive play. There was a small amount of that but overall i'd say that I played B-/C+ game poker most of the day.

            It may just be a coincidence that anger didn't take over my play too much or maybe just being aware of the cause, like I have been lately, is somehow decreasing the effect the anger has on me? I don't know for sure.

            What I do know is that I was nowhere near filtering results like it's just data today. My whole approach when i play is: "I really want to make some money today" and when that gets threatened I get emotional. I need to practice the skill of interpreting results as data I think, perhaps for short periods. I think my brain needs new neural pathways in terms of how to act during poker.

            Some visualization may help as well.
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            05-10-2018 , 11:55 PM
            A couple hands that got me goin:

              Donald Trump Poker, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

              MP: $64.55 (64.6 bb)
              Hero (CO): $165.75 (165.8 bb)
              BTN: $201.65 (201.7 bb)
              SB: $168.51 (168.5 bb)
              BB: $112 (112 bb)
              UTG: $98.07 (98.1 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 A
              UTG folds, MP raises to $2, Hero raises to $7.50, 3 folds, MP calls $5.50

              Flop: ($16.50) 5 K 5 (2 players)
              MP checks, Hero bets $8.25, MP calls $8.25

              Turn: ($33) 9 (2 players)
              MP checks, Hero bets $20, MP raises to $48.80 and is all-in, Hero calls $28.80

              River: ($130.60) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Spoiler:
              Results: $130.60 pot ($3 rake)
              Final Board: 5 K 5 9 4
              MP showed 5 4 and won $127.60 ($63.05 net)
              Hero showed 6 A and lost (-$64.55 net)


              There were fish in the blinds, hence the loose UTG open:

                Donald Trump Poker, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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                SB: $116.73 (116.7 bb)
                BB: $98.50 (98.5 bb)
                Hero (UTG): $150.18 (150.2 bb)
                MP: $29.82 (29.8 bb)
                CO: $94.70 (94.7 bb)
                BTN: $389.43 (389.4 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q K
                Hero raises to $3, MP calls $3, 4 folds

                Flop: ($7.50) 4 5 K (2 players)
                Hero bets $5, MP calls $5

                Turn: ($17.50) 5 (2 players)
                Hero bets $12, MP raises to $21.82 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.82

                River: ($61.14) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                Spoiler:
                Results: $61.14 pot ($3 rake)
                Final Board: 4 5 K 5 A
                Hero showed Q K and lost (-$29.82 net)
                MP showed A J and won $58.14 ($28.32 net)



                This guys was playing incredibly aggro preflop and on the river I had no choice but to pray he didn't make a dumb bet w AJ, which i didn't block at all!

                  Donald Trump Poker, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                  Hero (CO): $151.16 (151.2 bb)
                  BTN: $98.50 (98.5 bb)
                  BB: $100 (100 bb)
                  MP1: $184.99 (185 bb)
                  MP2: $55.80 (55.8 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 6
                  MP1 raises to $3, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, MP1 calls $7

                  Flop: ($21) 5 K T (2 players)
                  MP1 checks, Hero bets $10.50, MP1 calls $10.50

                  Turn: ($42) 3 (2 players)
                  MP1 checks, Hero bets $21, MP1 calls $21

                  River: ($84) Q (2 players)
                  MP1 bets $15, Hero raises to $74, MP1 folds

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $114 pot ($3 rake)
                  Final Board: 5 K T 3 Q
                  Hero mucked 5 6 and won $111 ($54.50 net)
                  MP1 mucked and lost (-$56.50 net)
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