twins! except I don't play Z

How tight could you go and still break-even or profit. 18 12? I have a good chunk of hands but play far tighter than you. I'm I likely just enjoying the sunny side of variance?

On a related note, how many hands would one need to ram through a neural net til you have yourself a working poker bot?

In 2003 you could go less than 10 VPIP. Try it, and see if it works today.
Edit: I used to do that full ring. I am not sure 6-max. I forgot that game is dead and 6-max was implied.

I was hinting that I am an 18-12. Okay, fine I'm an 18-12, I said it! (ahhh)

I mean, I'm looking more at the PFR being so low but it's NL50 and they're still pretty bad post flop. I wouldn't expect those stats to cut it at nl200 and not even sure yet that I'm not just luck boxing nl50.

I thought you were 18-12 and you want to see how low you could go. Go lower.

depends on stakes I guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone could profit playing 8/6 at 25z... there was a guy a year or two back posted a graph where he was 8/6 at 100z on ignition winning like 5bb/100 but i think it was like a 50-60k hand sample

I think anon creates the closest thing to the old days of poker where diff stats can produce similar winrates, as opposed to screen names/history where stats are much more converged in 2018, as people try to out pio each other and such.

One thing is for certain. In 2003, 2012, 2018, 2100, until the heat death of the universe...people will be making fun of other peoples nitty stats.

imo

Skuz im poker pro in less than 3 days, u have any tips?

btw that busto $0.00 on iggy -> $6.81 remaining crypto deposit ... it's now $1,655.10 (more coz in cashed tourny but yeh) all from cash rly, how good am i? like what, 4 days? or was it 5? 150k/yr next yr

Sorry for the late response, been away for the weekend to a music festival. Got back yesterday and started back up the grind today. I will do my best to go through and respond to any posts. I will then do a double post and do a November update.

Interesting. I still stand by my preflop ranges. I have spent the entire year changing my preflop ranges and I think as of the last 2 months, it is very close to optimal for the population I play in.

I think you are seriously underestimating how much rake plays a factor in preflop ranges but if you can subsidize this by maximising EV out of a fish then it seems fine.

I have already accounted for this. Do you mean set up sims for postflop?

Strongly agree

This is true, although you can probably group some hands to help estimate. Even still, the sample is probably not going to be enough.

If you think intuitively about:
- Preflop ranges
- Population tendencies
- Rake
- How solvers actually find the "nash equilibrium"

then you will understand what preflop ranges should look like in annon pools.



I think you would get less punished playing tighter vs looser in annon pools. Yeah I mean Vpiping 18 seems ok but PFR is probably too low. You probably want to get that up to around 16. You want to be aggressive with your tight range.

I have heard some ridiculous claims regarding volume for this prop bet you have with broken. Seems like you two are going to be working poker bots.

Lol less than 10vpip. Those must've been the days....

Never got to experience "back in the day" poker but this seems to make sense. I think screen name game you cannot get away with being too nit or too loose. Its pretty easy to counter both extremes imo.

Wow mad respek. That ROI.

My advice would be to take a 1.6 buyin shot at 1knl? Seems reasonable and non degen.

November Update

October was probably one of my best months for poker (really well on ignition, apps and live poker) so I had very high expectations for November and was very confident going into my 3rd 500nl shot.

My 500nl shot started off ok...but I was getting completely smashed at 200nl [whenever 500nlz wasn't running]. 500nl was going ok until one single day crushed me for approximately 10~ buyins. I was pretty discouraged because I ran a fat red line down into the ground on this day. My poker study group and I reviewed the session and unfortunately I made 2 big 100bb mistakes. Therefore I was not super thrilled about my performance. However I took the next day off to work on content and then grinded my ass off at 200nl for the rest of the month.

Although my November results were very average, I was very happy with how I responded to the failure of my 3rd 500nl shot. I thought I would be discouraged and give up my road to 500nl challenge but I got my **** together and ran up my results to the point where I could take my 4th 500nl shot within just 3 weeks.

So towards the end of November I took my 4th 500nl shot. The first day of my 4th 500nl shot (which was actually last thursday) went amazing. I think I won like +8 buyins? However the next day, the final day of the month...., I managed to get destroyed for 7 buyins at 500nlz. It was deja vu. I ran a red line through the ground and the very few times I had a strong hand, I was coolered. Once again I don't think it was my best performance but certainly not B grade material. Back to square one for the shot.

December Plan

I should have written up this November review yesterday. Basically, after coming back from the festival, I decided that I would give myself 12 buyins for this 4th shot. I feel like the variance at 500nl is higher than 200nl and my last 3 shots have seemed to end abruptly in just one day. Its not uncommon for me to swing 6-10 buyins at 200nl but I feel like it just happens way more often at 500nl (maybe because of my small sample size). As a result I do not get to realise my EV until a month later. Nothing more frustrating than leaving my regular tables or the zone tables when it is really soft because I am at the end of my shot.

Anyway with this 12 buyin shot in mind, I restarted the grind today. Once again I got pretty destroyed. I managed to lose 9 buyins across 3.6k hands. Although I got completely smashed today I felt a new motivation to continue shotting 500nl. Today was the first time I did not feel lost and felt like my slightly adapted 200nl strategy performed extremely well in the 500nl pool [I specifically changed some river play]. I can also attribute all losses today on variance as I ran significantly (almost all) the buyins below EV. Therefore today's disaster was not a product of poor performance.

So I have 3 buyins left on the shot. If things don't go my way tomorrow, I will drop back down to 200nl and grind out 30 buyins. Once I grind the 30 buyins at 200nl I will then jump back up for my 5th shot. I will continue repeating this process till my 500nl shot sticks.

what do u think ur winrate at 500 is? is it even possible to estimate that based on 200 results?

gl

-100bb/100

Hard to say at the moment. Obviously negative right now but I am pretty confident I could crack 4bb/100

Best of luck man, it is pretty clear to see anyone who follows the thread how much work you put into your game. Hopefully the next shot will work out this time, some of this zone variance can be absolutely soul crushing after putting so much study work and hours in. When it only takes a session or 2 to send you right back down to your normal stake when shot taking.

how many hands total at 500z atm and what is current wr

Thanks man.

500z: 17,459 hands and -5.33bb/100
500nl Reg: 4,282 hands and -15bb/100

New Video out today!:



Slightly shorter video and removed the preflop all ins.

I am going to do a strategy video on my 4th 500nl shot next.

yo guys,

just uploaded 2nd part to my 500nl shot review. I also have a little post analysis recap at the end of the video.



Back at the 200nl tables grinding and on track to taking my 5th shot by the end of the month.

At the moment it is just a cycle of 500nl shot - regrind 200nl -take shot - regrind. Eventually I will stick the shot and hopefully can regularly post some 500nl content.

What software do you use to make the videos. I need to put together two mp4 videos?
Edit: I spent hours looking, but right after I asked I found OpenShot and I like it.

Yo Skuz, been following this thread a while and super impressed with your work ethic and ability to vocalise your thought process so clearly.

Are you only playing Iggy at the moment? I’d be super keen to hear your analysis on some PokerMaster hands (8max w antes), similar to the way you break down 500z hands, and how you’d adapt your style to those games.

Gl in December!

Good to hear. I use adobe premiere pro but its a subscription based model.


Thanks!

Yes I am playing only Iggy at the moment. Grinding the 200nl tables hard so I can get back to 500nl ASAP. Perhaps you could send in some hands that you want reviewed. I could potentially do a video on viewer's hands. PM me on 2+2.

Just buy some monker solves and adjust for your pool. Easier way of doing it.

Currently playing the WSOP monster stack event. The winning ring looks mighty finy

Good luck, use your online run good for this LULaMenTT one time m8.