h1 ye def large on flop, ez fold

h2 large flop, 1/2 pot turn, ez fold

nerd

Yeah made a few mistakes last night. Definitely the worst live session I have played in a while

I’ve always thought players used the term whale too liberally but this is the first I’ve heard “nit whale”


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Clearly the "nit whale" triggered me a few hands hahahaha

c-betting less than a 1/3rd pot on q63 with aces vs a bad player is a mistake should bet way bigger and start piling the money in.

Don't think it is terrible vs a bad player when you can bet small on flop and "give him a good price" to basically continue with ATC or induce him into raising as well.

agreed. Huge mistake not betting big for value vs a whale. My sizes were really off this session

Hey Skuz, based on your recent live experience, how exactly would you equate the difficulty of 2/5 and 5/10 live to online? Was it significantly softer or just slightly?

Hey mate,

Enjoyed your video series, I look forward to seeing more 500z hands reviewed.
How is live poker going and is it softer than Ignition? whats your hourly like in comparison knowing you beat 200 zone.

GL

So my sample size at live (for this year anyway) is relatively small so my opinion my not be super accurate. So Sydney Star Casino has 2/3 and 2/5/10. I have only played like 6 sessions of 2/3 this year and this is extremely soft. Probably equivalent to like 2c/5c online. I have yet to play 2/5/10 because the waiting line has always been ridiculously long. I am going to try play it sometime in the next couple of weeks.

When I went to Melbourne last week, I played 2/5 and 5/10/20. The 2/5 game was also ridiculously soft. I think it was one of the softest live pools I have played in my life. Just to put it in perspective, on one of my tables I moved from my seat to the left of what I thought was
the spot of the table (whale) only to be told 10 minutes later by another reg that he was one of the top winning regs at 2/5....

The 5/10/20 game in Melbourne was the first time I actually felt like I was playing against opponents who actually knew how to play. There was a lot of 3 betting and 4 betting and it reminded me of online. I didn't play for too long on this table so I cannot really make an accurate comparison but I would say maybe 50nl or 100nl equivalent. One of the regs could probably compete at 200nl. Although you mainly just target the weaker players, since you are battling 9 handed, so having other competent regs on the table becomes less of an issue compared to 6 max or short handed online.


Thanks, lets hope I get there so we can review some 500z hands hahaha.

Yes live poker is incredibly soft. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother working so hard on my game to increase my winrate at 200nl by 5-10$ an hr when I could just go play live and increase my hourly by $30 with no stress and little work.

I am not sure what my hourly would be live, since I rarely play but I have been told by live regs their hourly. On Ignition my WR is 4bb/100 and I play 500 hands per hour so $40USD an hour. If I play 2 reg tables it would be an extra 150 hands per hour. So my hourly is $52usd an hr. Apparently a good 5/10 reg in the US makes 70usd an hr and I have been told the 5/10 regs in Sydney make close to 75 AUD an hour.

So I don't know if this applies to the casino you are talking about, but most the the casinos I play at in the US have a call ahead list. I do that on my drive down which is normally 45min to an hour away an by the time I get there I am normally top of the list to play. They also have an app for how many players are on the waiting list, how many games are running & what games/stakes as well.. check it out BravoLivePoker app. App also has poker rooms phone number, any promotions going & if they have a BBJ and how much it is.

I think I can call ahead of time. I don't think they have a sophisticated app for poker waiting lists etc. Its ironic how we have the highest rake in the world yet we have the least amount of comps and "extras" like apps for waiting lists. I wonder where the money goes..............

Generally I just turn up and happy to play any stake really. If I go with a friend I generally play 2/3 with them. I think next weekend I will go play 5/10.

Small Update

As for online, volume has been very low (20k hands so far) but pretty good start to October results wise (+15BI).

Study schedule started back up last week. Did about 10 hours of study across 3 days. My study group has dedicated Tuesday Wed and Thurs for study. We did some database stuff on Tuesday and then Wed and Thursday we looked at 3b pots IP as non aggressor.

As for videos, I have got some footage from last week so I can probably start up videos again this week.

Finally got around to Ep 16 of Road to 500nl series, small update, highlights of October and Small Strategy segment!

How could that guy ever fold a10 there. That was truly confusing. Worried you have AA, when hes getting nearly 4-1 and he has a blocker.

Yea I was really surprised. The funny thing is, if I had a value hand like KK or AA, and saw this fold I would be very suspicious hahaha.

If this was one of the viewers/readers (and yes I know it is going to be slightly embarrassing) but I am curious to know what the reasoning behind the smallish 3bet size on the river.

That whole hand was mind blowing. Your line is spew but luckily you found the saddest nit fish in the pool. What a loser.

Cool videos. I'm also a 200nl reg on iggy and I'm looking for new poker friends to study with. HMU if you guys wanna talk HHs or pio.

This is what poker has come to in 2018 lol now i cant fold range to river 3bs anymore

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This hand is seriously wtf status... did he tank all the way down to river? I wonder if it was a disconnect or something, just absolutely crazy he folds that.

OP probably the first person to have a bluff there

100% first one to get it through.

Must have been a disconnect. HAD to have been. I disconnected on 50z in a 400bb pot last night with nut straight on the river, extremely tilting.

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I forgot about all the issues ignition has been having past few days with disconnecting and auto timing out people so this makes a bit more reason to believe it was just a disconnect instead of the most ridiculous fold ever.

Agreed very spew with stack size considerations but got lucky the player nitted hard or disconnected....

Thanks! There is a group from another fellow twitch streamer I could invite you to. There are plenty of people in the group you may be able to connect and start a study group?

hahaha only when you come up against a spewtard like myself.

Yeah full tank down to the river. Its possible the player disconnected but I legitimately think its more likely they nit folded?

and OTBredbaron. I've seen him have bluffs in spots that you would never want to. Seen him 4bet bluff on a river on a board player could have quads, I think it was like 777 or something.

Yeah I've noticed earlier this week a few disconnect issues but hasn't been too bad last couple of days.

I don't know... I have seen some ridiculously nitty folds and some very heroic call downs in my time playing on Ignition so who knows... I think this one has been the most bizarre

Live Poker Update

On Saturday night I went and played some live poker.

The waiting list for every stake was ridiculously long so I signed up for everything whilst I waited to get on the 2/5/T table.

I started off with 1/3 PLO and it was probably the biggest regret.

I have played quite a bit of PLO but do not really feel comfortable playing the game because I don't really know what to do in most spots. I do understand some basic stuff like not overplaying hands that are not the nuts (i.e. sets)

PLO

Anyway first hand I post and I get AxQsKx2s and of course in a 1/3 PLO game every calls and we go 8? ways to the flop.

Flop comes JsTsXx - ~25$

Checks around and BTN bets $10. SB calls, BB calls and I call.

I call knowing my flush is probably screwed but with an open ender and flush draw I do not think I can fold? (Legit have no idea what I am doing)

Turn - As ~$65

So probably the worst turn card comes in on the turn (because now I have the 2nd nut flush and not the 3rd nut flush). I knew my spade draw was kinda screwed on flop but now my Qhigh flush has improved to the 2nd nut flush.

Sb leads $55 into $65 and it folds around to me. I am hating my life but have not seen anyone play any hands as this is my first hand. I really wanted to fold but I didn't want villain to be some donk and over value a lower flush and I make the call with the intention of folding river to a large bet.

River 4o - $175 - JsTsXxAs4x

Villain tanks for a bit and then bets $100.

Here I should have probably folded but once again I levelled myself into calling because I am a station. Of course villain shows Ks4s for the nut flush.

I then proceeded to bleed out in PLO and ended up down $250 in like 20 minutes. Finally the floor guy tells me my seat is ready at 2/5/T.

NLH

So finally at a game that I am very comfortable at. Once again I coudln't believe how soft the table was. There was one reg on my table who seemed to play pretty tight and ABC and didn't really attempt to do anything out of line. He was also very passive (i.e. called almost always with draws and never really tried to deny equity). Anyway I will run through some notable hands.

Hand 1: Js8c Bluffing/Valuing the passive reg

Hero ($1200~) in straddle for $10
Reg ($2,000~) in BB opens to $30
I defend.

Flop - As8s4c - $62

Reg bets $30
I call $30

Turn - 5s - $122

Reg bets $65

Here I don't think reg should be betting too much with range against a competent player so I decide to put him in the tank.

I raise to $230

Reg makes a pretty big mistake by calling really quickly. I have seen him call quickly two times before and then folding river bets so I assume reg has either the Ks or some sort of weak showdown. Therefore my plan is to barrel almost any river for my entire stack and probably get a fold 9/10 times.

River: Ks - $582

This was an interesting river because most of the spade draws reg has have the King of spades. I also now have the 2nd nut flush and now my planned bluff has turned to a value bet opportunity on river.

Reg checks
I bet $225
Reg Snap folds

I decided to bet 225 which I think may be slightly too large. I definitely think smaller size on river is the optimal bet size considering my range has next to no bluffs on river.. In hindsight I should have probably bet 1/4 pot so like 150~. However based on my intuition of the hand and the reg's tendency I don't think I was ever getting a call on any river.

Hand 2: Folding a set vs perceived Whale

Hero (~$1600) in High Jack with TT opens to $40
Whale (~$2000) on BTN flats
Passive Reg ($2500) in Straddle calls

Flop KsTc8c - $125

Reg Checks
I check
Whale bets $60
Reg calls
I X/R to $240
Whale calls
Reg folds

Here I think I fked up my X/R sizing. I could probably go a lot larger vs the whale. The whale was playing quite a few hands pre but would do some things pretty well (i.e. squeezed once with AJo vs Open and like 4 callers when in the BB).

Turn 6x - $665~

I bet $350
Whale tank calls, looked really uncomfortable vs bet size.

Once again I fked up my sizing. Against this kind of player I should just bet large. My inexperience live is once again showing with my sizings. I need to take more time to calculate what is optimal. I think the turn was a 6, I just remembered a straight draw came in on the turn but against this player I was just going to triple TT on any non club. This player is definitely capable of having the straight but it is what it is.

River - Jc **** - $1335~

I tank check
Whale snap Jams
Hero quickly folds

I literally wanted to yell out **** when I saw that river. I coudln't have imagined a worse possible river. My dream of winning 160bb off the whale had now spiraled down the drain. I didn't even bother asking how much the player had behind because I knew I was dead. For me to ever make this call, villain has to turn all QJo and QJs combos into bluffs as well as some Kx and probably more bull****. However all draws get there on the river and its really really really hard for villain to have bluffs. It did cross my mind for half a second that villain could over value KJ because they were a whale but there are just too many club club hands that are in villain's range. Anyway I folded pretty quickly and the live regs started guessing what I had. They were dropping some absolute disrespec ranges like AK, KT, K8s. Not one said did you have a set.... Its like these guys never believe a young guy can ever have a strong hand lol. I then said nah I folded a set of TT and then the whale turns over AhKs and I was like what....?

I was a little bit tilted but I was happy with my fold. Even if the whale showed me some BS like AK I still don't think its ever +EV to make the call there. Yes it means I am folding the top of my range on the river (As I would probably just explo jam club club on river vs a whale and never protect my river checking range) but I will make that fold again and again and again.

One of the live regs was super shocked that the whale showed AK and asked "why would you do that?". The whale laughed and said because I can't win on this river. I was actually super impressed. The live reg kind of berated the whale being like why would you call turn to turn your hand into a bluff on club club but I was actually pretty impressed the whale turned AK into a bluff and announced that he had to because my range was too strong. I chimed in and defended the whale because sometimes you just gotta respect a good play.

After this hand I went card dead for a couple of hours with a few small pots here and there. I was now down approx $700. Our table then went 6 or 7 handed for a while and I started to really build a stack by redlining. After redlining I managed to bring my stack up to $~1700 so roughly breakeven for session. Then this hand happened:

Hand 3: AKo vs drunk guy and Passive Reg HUGE SWEAT

Nit reg opens CO $35 (drunk guy who was playing any two was in straddle)
Passive reg BTN flats $35

Hero AKo BB tanks (I really didn't want to **** up my sizing so I took a bit longer to calculate how much I wanted to make it) As I am trying to work wtf I want to make it the drunk guy calls out of turn. I then ignore it and make it $150.
Drunk Guy goes to fold his hand but the dealer says the $35 must stay in because of out of turn action. The drunk guy then thinks for a few seconds and jams ~$450. I am literally jumping out of my chair because he's obviously tilted and got in with trash because he has to leave the $35 in.

Nit reg snap folds
Passive reg starts asking for count and genuinely looked uncomfortable. He then min raises to isolate the drunk guy. Everyone knew what was up and it was super obvious but once I have squeezed this size it seems pretty suicidal to try and ISO the drunk guy because my range is uncapped (i.e. still can have all strong overpairs). Anyway I am slightly confused why reg would risk 900$ when I am almost always jamming. I jam anyway (effectively $1700) because my range is so strong.

Reg sighs and looks frustrated and sigh puts in his money. Hes like well I have this much in, I am never folding now. I am sitting here thinking ****, I need to flip like 170bb against something stupid like 77-TT. Anyway reg says you have AA or KK right? And I laugh and tell him I have AK. He then asks are you suited and Im like no...? He then turns over AsKs.

Hero AKo
Drunk guy 9s2c
Reg AKss

Anyway this reg was a super nice guy so it seemed ok that we were going to try chop against drunk guy. Reg says something like I wish we could just chop and then I stupidly make a comment like it will probably come spades and make me sweat. We both started laughing and he says something like nah it won't, we will chop and it will all be sweet.

Flop comes

7s7h5c

Once again I jokingly say to him, your freeroll is real, backdoor spades.

Turn 4s

Are you ****ing kidding me... I am now sweating my ****n ass off. I couldn't believe they were doing this to me. Reg then looks at me uncomfortably and I decide to not make any more ****ing comments. At this point I didn't even care if a 2 or a 9 came I just wanted to see no spade. I literally turn away and ..

River Jd

Reg starts laughing and I am sitting there thinking wtf just happened. I had to sweat to chop my money. He then makes a comment about how he didn't want the spade to come and he said he would have felt bad if he won that ( I think he genuinely meant it).
Ended up winning 1/2 of the drunk guy's jam so I guess the sweat was worth it.

After a while our table breaks and get joined with the last remaining table of the night. I stacked a fish for $600 in a pretty gross spot.

I am in BB vs fish straddle.
107o I open to $35
Fish calls and says (because I am in the straddle).

Flop AT7r
I check
Fish snap checks

Turn 7 - $70

I bet $25
Fish snap min raises to $50
I click it back to $100
Fish tank calls but looks like he wants to jam as he piles the chips together.

River 4x $270

I just overbet jam
and fish calls

I show over boat and fish looks surprised. He then turns over a 7 as well so I coolered him pretty hard.

Session ended up +1.1k so basically 1 buyin.
Table was really soft and I think I played about a 7/10.
Made a few sizing mistakes, mainly because I am so bad at thinking and doing everything really quickly when playing Live. I have noticed I am getting better at the small live poker nuances.

I think I could have really run up a stack had I not been so card dead but cannot really complain about the end result.

TLDR

Played 2/5/T live poker
Played about 7/10 rating
Session Result: +1.1k
Lowest point: -~-$700
Highest point - ~+1.3k
7? hour grind