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Originally Posted by yasuo
live updates are the nuts, keep em coming
Ok will try to. I don't play much live and I tend to ramble on too much with my live updates. Didn't think many people would read a fat essay hahaha.
Once again it might be easier for me to update in video format but I really cannot stand live poker vlogs so I would be kind of selling myself out if I did one. If I can come up with a unique way of doing it, different to the standard ones on youtube, I will try to do it.
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
idk why but I lost it here lmao. almost fell out of my seat laughing
I am guessing you have had been put it in some stupidly high variance spots because someone decides to go crazy preflop?
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Originally Posted by wj294
Getting massively nitrolled used to be quite tilting but before long you'll just shrug it off.
Do you think you'll be playing more live poker going forward?
Yeah I have started to realise that nitrolling happens a lot more often live than it does online. Speaking of nitrolling I forgot to add one more hand where I was nitrolled and potential angle? [I'll post the hand/story below]
Yes I am strangely starting to enjoy playing live poker. Once you work out little tricks to make pot counting and stack size counting easier I am starting to get comfortable playing my game in a live setting. I also like having a chat with people on the table. Also the EPL is usually on around midnight grind time in Aus so there is something to watch whilst grinding. Probably going to go play a tourney on Wed night and then play cash afterwards.
Anyway, one more hand from Saturday night.
So today I was talking to my friend about my session on Saturday night. Forgot to add this one as I am a live noob and I think I got taken advantage of.
Hero 88 UTG+1 open to $35
Straddle Defends
Flop A63hr - 72$
I bet 25
He X/R to 100
I call
This player is the type of player to assume small size is weak and BS. Against 1/3 villain is meant to XR quite high freq but I think he is doing it for the wrong reasons. He also didn't even really think about the raise and just did it really quickly with a $100 chip.
Turn - 4h
Villain quickly checks the turn
Hero bets $95
Villain tanks for ages and calls
So here I am not sure I like my turn bet. Villain's check raise is usually going to be polar in this spot, particularly if they XR thinking small size is weak.
I decide to bet because he may have XR with a 6 or a 3 and the turn 4 gives quite a bit of equity vs 6x and 3x as they mainly have a 5 in their hand. My turn bet functioned as equity denial vs those hands and any other BS like KQ QJ JT etc etc. It also prevents villain from polar bet on river if I check back turn a (88 as a bluff catching candidate on river sucks). I also probably need to turn some underpairs into bluffs to balance for my extraordinarily strong Ax range from UTG+1. Now 88 is probably too strong to turn into a bluff?
River - 9x - Final board - A63h4h9 - $260 ish
Villain Checks
I check
Now this is where the hand gets really interesting. Villain, before he makes an action, puts on a massive speech how he's severely misplayed his hand. He keeps looking at the board and me whilst saying all this BS. He then goes "alright... I check"
So for me I never really go into live reads or anything because I just trust that my intuition and logic of the hand is way more important than speech play and tells and stuff like that. I do notice this stuff and am aware of these nuances but I always default to my strat. Most of my plays are already preplanned I.e. I already knew I was checking every river but an 8 and OB jamming on an 8. No point turning my hand into a bluff as this guy is probably never folding an A and I beat his ****ty 6x 3x and 4x holdings.
Anyway after I check he then says, you are good. I am like what? He says you are good, and I QUOTE, "I have nothing".
So obviously I am pretty happy and table 88. He then looks really surprised and says "wait what?" and he then reaches for his cards in front of him and says I have an A. Now my initial thought was that he was getting out of line with like 9x with a heart because that is the only thing that makes sense for you to go and reach for your cards that beat 88. He then turns over a8o and im like wtf... I wasn't sure how to feel because I was genuinely really surprised he showed an ace after saying "I have nothing". At the time I wasn't really upset, I just thought it was a nitroll. He then tried to justify why he said he had nothing "you were UTG I thought you just always have a stronger Ax" which kind of makes sense.
However after talking to my friend today, I realised it was more likely an angle shoot. Since he needs to show his cards first, he assumes that I am going to muck my hand when he shows an Ace so he made me table my hand. Now I don't really care that he sees my cards because:
1. I am generally pretty balanced
2. He doesn't seem like the type of player who could advantage with some extra info.
BUT I realised how naive I was to all the possible angle shoots that I may have experienced throughout the course of all my live poker sessions.
This is the second time in my life playing live poker someone has straight up lied to me in a hand. The first time was in London when I got it in on the flop of QQK where I asked the guy who went all in (I have already called at this point) if he had a Q. He said no and I tabled QJ on the flop and he doesn't show till the river where he turns over KQ. I was surprsied he showed KQ as it was a SRP - I opened from CO and he flatted from BB and lead open jammed like 250-300 pounds into a 20 pound pot. This guy was a bit of a scumbag and pretty drunk but everyone roasted him for lying once the all in had already been called. I got pretty pissed off with this one because he has literally no incentive to lie once I have already called. He gains no extra information. He does benefit from tilting me I guess....
Anyway, I guess it was a lesson learned to always wait till the person opens their hand. I generally just show out of turn if I have the nuts because I think it just wastes time and I don't want to slow down the game because of ego or hide information. There is nothing more tilting when two players take like 5 minutes to show their hands because they don't want to show their bluff or they want to see opponent's hand even though they have the nuts "Because they can use the information later....."
Let me know if this is a common angle shoot that I need to be careful of in the future?