Lol yeah there you go )) Rogan's podcasts were awesome as well

Cold showers? What do they do for you?

Unless you are a highly emotional person I think it just comes down to injecting logic and realizing that tilting/playing worse doesn't get your money back faster, playing well and putting in volume will. I don't think purposely playing nitty is a very good solution just to lessen variance unless you were on a short bankroll. Long term it will benefit you to learn to feel the annoyance of the situation without letting it have any major significant effects on how you end up playing. Only caveat i'd add to that is that if you have a bluff spot or value bet spot where it's really close and you aren't super confident you are making the right choice than it's prob fine to lean towards the nitty side and not take it. But I wouldn't nit it up in a way where you stop taking good barrel opportunities etc

Thats one of the first decent advices you posted. But still have to keep bluffing in big spots, if you have a clear river bluff, with top blockers you still have to bluff no matter what. But deciding to give up with marginal blockers that are probably breakeven is good, as well as going tighter preflop, like not opening Q7o or J2s from the btn.

The reason I find for that is because if we are on a bad mental game state, if things go wrong in those breakeven spots, we will be more likely to play worse and be -ev later.

Actually I was more referring to high variance spots where you can easily get stacked, like polar squeezing and 3bets.

'just to lesson variance' is sort of a big thing, unless the difference between -20bi and -40bi does not bother you mentally which is close to impossible.

It's ****ing stupid. If you change your proven winning style because you're on a downswing, that's subtle tilt and nothing else.

Playing a few winning sessions at the stake below your regular one to regain confidence is infinitely better.

very underrated advice imo

u arent really running bad though when u pull the big bluffs ur just not as capable of thinking clearly so it's better to just take the lower variance route until ur all g

Honestly dude just keep playing. Someone once told me rungood starts with one good decision at a time. Sooner or later youll book a phenomenal session and the next thing you know you got a whole string of them. Just keep doing it

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Agree with Tynan that if a spot is close, i.e. 0ev either way, err on the side of caution (i.e. lower variance option). But that doesn't mean not bluffing or calling spots that are slightly +EV.

Really all you can do in a downswing is to make sure you're playing your A game at all times. And this has nothing to do with actual hands or strategy. I used to get distracted by Skype and Snapchat during sessions and feel as though sometimes my decisions were possibly less good because of these distractions. I also found myself constantly looking at my desktop clock to see how much longer I needed to play for before I could break.

Now I put my phone in a different room, close Skype, and have removed the clock from my desktop. All that's left is me and the tables. I have no option but to be completely focused on each hand. I ignore results completely during sessions and just focus on individual lines in hands. Has really helped increase the frequency with which I'm playing A game.

the problem is u are changing ur playstyle even if u don't realise it when you're on tilt. this way u reduce the effect and variance, which will just compound the tilt even more

+1

If your roll is fine, there is absolutely no need to drop down stake if you're a proven winner.

How about you just don't tilt so you don't change your style and don't have anything to compound?

I certainly agree. I was saying that playing lower and the same is > playing same stake and being a ***** because of a downswing where it can actually hurt you.

What's the worst day you've had in terms of buyins lost? I just lost 14 at 50NL and really questioning moving forward. Some spots were really bad coolers, with probably about 3-4 punts.

'just don't tilt' wow I never knew it was that easy. Isolated has solved tilt folks. Just don't tilt!

how about i just open sit llinuslove and take his entire roll?

I didn't say it was easy. It's something to strive not to do. Having a weak mental game is easily the biggest thing that holds people back from being winners/crushers.

i have the downswing several times in my life. and every time i quit it for several month.
But I am not a pro in poker. I have my own business and jobs to do. So after several month , when I come back to poker, I study more and adjust my play , and usually level up. From nl25 to nl200 in about 5 years. Since i play poker. I never loss, right now both live and online winning is around 50k.

I know the feeling of downswing. I don't know how to deal with it either. And recently I faced 2 downswing of 15 buyins . every time I study more, and do more works on my own hand history, to make sure whether it's ev or my bad.
And I think it's useful and it's really good to study more when you face downswing. Because when you run good, you think you know everything.

And when we saw our record , which only 3bb/100 when we face downswing. we worried about it, no confidence.

But now I think it differently, now we only play nl200. We can have any downswing and come back easily. if we play nl5000, maybe no way to come back. So every time you face downswing, it's a good time to study , to learn more skills. And every time I faced bad beat, I am ok. it's only nl 200. it's not nl5000. good for me.

It's just my feeling. English is bad.

I saw your play and It helps me to get three
streets value when it runs good. But in downswing you may change the way you play . less bluff, and less call big bet on river.

I just get 2000 dollars winning today after a 10 day downswing. Don't worry. You get everything back soon when it's run good. Just use every chance in downswing to study more.

For the entitlement tilt you could try being grateful rather than mad. Grateful for that player being in the pool. Bad players will put the money back in.

I really really like both of these idea. Thanks for sharing gentleman.
Meale I have never thought to remove the desktop clock. Excellent idea!

Took me a while to check two plus two (its tax time and of course the business I am involved in had some accounting and record keeping mistakes that I had to rectify.... so smashed out a good days grind on the excel sheets) but its good to see so many different types of advice from different people.

Ouch. That hurts but I have been there many a times. My biggest losing buyin day was 20 at 200nl. It was one of those days where I lost 6 in the first, 7 in the second and 3rd sessions of the day. I usually dont check my results during sessions since I try focus on volume and it cost me dearly since I didnt actually realise I was losing this much till the end of each session. Nowadays if something doesnt feel right in terms of how much I am losing, I tend to check to make sure I havent blown the roll hahaha. Generally you should be able to identify what your threshold is in terms of buyin. Experience generally leads you to a higher threshold. For example my noob friend (shoutout to the 25plo king, you know who you are) complains after 2 to 3 buyins so I asssume that is his tilt inducing threshold. Mine these days is 8 for a session. Generally after 8 in a session I start to get a little edgy. 10 is my stop loss for any session no matter how many fish are out and about. My previous threshold was anything more than 6.

I am not a big fan of dropping down IF you are rolled for your current game. I have been playing 200nl for nearly 7 months now. I have and expect to always be rolled for this game so I have no reason for dropping anytime soon. Perhaps after a 60buyin downswing I may need to stop and consider my current startegy has now become a losing strategy.

As for the grateful for bad players - great way to look at it!

Weekend has freed up a little bit so might have a couple of sessions over the weekend. Will keep you posted on that. Also will edit my new video this weekend so will try to aim for an upload tomorrow.

2-3 BI - ploking LOL. i wonder if he plays more than 20 min sessions of plo haha!

20 buyins in a day and I think I just might off myself. Question remains, how many have people ITT won in a day? :P

I think most people misunderstood mirage's advice. He meant taking the passive approach in an unclear situation. Very often when people are on a downswing they tend to go for a more aggressive action although it is uncertain whether it is the more profitable option. As we all know there are a lot of spots where the passive and the aggressive action have the same EV yet going for the more passive route will save you a lot of variance and tilt in crucial moments. Look at it as a way for conserving your mental energy.

This is something Nick Howard is now talking a lot about. Looking at winrate as a function of the preservation of mindset. Not increasing investment volatility unnecessarily etc.