confirming most HIOs will be very close no matter what. When talking about a good player making one that is, which is the only kind that counts

I don't have any statistical data, and not sure such data exists, but I'd be willing to bet a majority HIOs are made with the ball landing a non zero distance past the cup and spinning back in. I say this because a shorter shot, is more likely to go in than a longer shot, and the shorter the shot, the more back spin it will have considering a good player hit it. Considering good players make more HOIs than bad players, I'd guess its a lock.

ETA: would also give up all my HIOs for one double eagle. So much better/rarer/harder!

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Do you post in a golf forum? Have they asked you how many royal flushes you've made?

Was exact analogy i was thinking of Max.

LT, obv a good golfer gets more HIOs than a bad player, but there's so many more of us than you.

Yea that is an excellent point Ruse. I am now legitimately curious if there is any data on this. Will report if I find something good

As far as the royal flush thing, although it is definitely the closest translation, I don't get asked that by anyone really, golfers included. I do however get asked "whats the biggest pot you've won" pretty often. I'm sure most of you can relate to that as well.

" what's the most you have won"

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Will u play any live pokerz ?

In!

Good luck at the golf course. If you ever visit Sweden holla at me and we can go for a round so I can whoop your ass

Lol there's actually a golf forum on 2p2 and a lot of guys are fairly knowledgable about each thing.

No kidding, must be so nice. If I had a double eagle I'd happily trade it for a HIO.

Alex maybe I will get to posting a pic today, but it's not very exciting.

Push, no live poker unless it's 3:00am in Las Vegas and I'm playing $2/4 limit at the Imperial Palace.

Lol Dante, trip to Sweden sounds good, are you friends with Markus Naslund? Wouldn't mind hanging out with him a bit.

holy cow that is sloppy looking

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my workspace!!

hey man,
just notice you play on lap top. how many tabling u usually doing. i guess you stack them? Thx

I wish criss. If I ever become best buddies I will sure invite you to his place!

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MG&CC? I almost broke 60 there once.

Is that the most rage you've had on a golf course? Do you find golfers (say scratch to single) to be more mentally strong/aware than your average poker player (say semi reg+)?

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Hey, normally I don't have more than 16 going.





MG&CC indeed! That was my biggest rage moment for sure, I've thrown clubs many times. If anything the stronger golfers I know tend to get more mad than the average golfer, I don't notice a correlation between skill and reactions to bad shots/situations.

That last sentence seems to contradict itself.

I think a lot of top players get down on themselves because they strive for nothing short of perfection and if they werent hard on themselves they would have settled for being above average a while before.

I think that is for the most part what he was saying also.

I don't particularly agree, but it is a discussion that won't have a conclusion, because everyone is so different. There are very successful players on just about every single level of the emotional spectrum.

I'd definitely agree that good players get more pissed than bad players. But of the good players, in general, the better (more successful in bigger events) ones are more emotionally level headed (tilt less) than their counterparts who are seemingly equally skilled physically.

To respond to the original question, I do think someone who has a lot of experience competing at a high level in golf will have a mental edge in poker over an equally skilled player who lacks that experience in golf. They learned to get used to losing long ago

Oh I totally misread that question. Actually I find it wild the mental leaks that solid golfers have. While clearly they have done a lot of good things to get their skills to that point, they still do shockingly awful things that they may not even realize is bad which is even worse.

I think it's a very similar comparison for the two as they are both pretty similar ventures so the typical human reaction would be similar.

Edit: lol Logan is spot on about the tournament seasoned golfer though I'd suspect.

Outward displays of tilt dont always have to result in a decrease in performance though. I think being able to negatively reinforce poor behavior with self scolding while maintaining focus is both possible and vital in poker. Might be possible in golf, though most definitely not by me

Yeah sippin im surprised when a Tiger just blows up and tanks a round but again i think that's a side effect of the mindset required to reach that level. Kinda similar to how in poker the top guys at the highest stakes almost always have some kind of addiction problem or some other kind of personality disorder leak.

Agree completely with you on the poker front. Golf is in fact really different in this regard though. I think you can do exactly as you said in poker, yet maintain a sharp and focused mind capable of making the exact decision you would have made when you were not upset and click the mouse accurately for that decision to made on the table.

Golf involves a really complex motor skill, with the goal being to swing something 100+mph, and hit a little spot on the golf ball less than inch big with a little spot on the golf club that is also less than inch wide, and then be expected to control the start line, trajectory, curve and distance over the span of hundreds of yards. The slightest deviation in that process can be pretty disastrous. So it is far more important to maintain that zen like mentality. The slightest extra bit of adrenaline can really change a lot. Where in poker, it will have no effect at all, and as you stated, be quite positive.

With that said, I'm more scared of Tiger when hes angry. The guy is able to channel it into great shots unlike any one who has ever played the game. I consider that an anomaly however, as it is not common at all, to the point where it may be only him, ever.

Loving this discussion though, very interesting!

I think it's very hard to say if this or that is affecting your game most in golf or poker if you are a professional. I can just relate to myself, and while I am not a professional golfer I at least have scratch handicap, sometimes my best golf comes after I have hit a few bad shots in a row and really exploded. I probably play way worse poker when I am tilted than play bad golf when I am tilted. Also while the slightest mistake can be disastrous it can also be totally safe, you can make the next shot to save a good score etc.

It's probably very individual. We have a few golf pros in the golf forum and some of them probably also play poker, would be nice if they could chime in.

Definitely agree with better players getting more angry when it comes to golf. Golf is easily the most mentally draining sport and that is basically the reason I went from loving the game my senior year of high school to quitting my college team 2 years later. I am somewhat of a perfectionist so that definitely didnt help as I was constantly beating myself up over a bad shot. It's quite funny actually because my second college coach would get mad at me for that all the time, like if I had a shot that turned out alright but I didnt hit it solid I wouldnt be pleased with it although the result was fine. Also I had/have a major case of the driver yips which really puts a ton of pressure on the rest of my game.

Also on the hole in one discussion, I have one but getting one it really does not matter what your skill level is. One of my friends plays in college at a division 2 school and he has never had one, while another one of my friends can barely break 90, has only been playing 1 1/2 years and he got one in his second month of playing.

Yea, I should have been more clear in that I am speaking about the majority. There are obviously numerous exceptions. I only listed Tiger as the only one, because I consider his ability different. He actually plays better the more mad he gets. I've had my ass kicked many times by guys who were complete and utter hot heads. They steam, they get over it, and they move on. Tiger is a bit different, he just steams and crushes, and skips a lot of the getting over it part IMO. And it is impressive as hell to watch. But for the most part, when you see a top player visibly angry, they are usually in the process of losing whatever grip they had on the tournament.

With that said, nearly every top mental coach/guru/whatever focuses primarily on being as even keel as possible throughout. Sure anger will strike for a lot of guys when bad shots happen, but letting go of it as soon as possible and never really reacting to it (staying in the present yada yada) is generally considered ideal. Like you said, everyone is different though, and ultimately, especially at the higher levels, it is about finding what allows you to play your best golf when the lights get bright. For some guys, that is allowing yourself to steam, for most, it is not reacting at all.

And not that it matters really, and not sure if you were implying I was or wasn't, but I played professionally for a number of years. Competed nationally as a junior, was on a full ride at a D1 school, played lots of mini tours and failed at q school a couple times. Throughout I sought out lots of mental game work via professionals and personal study. So I do have a decent amount of experience of which I'm drawing from. But again with that said, it doesn't mean that much, because everyone is different like you said.