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03-07-2021 , 10:59 PM
So you may know me from my previous PGC thread, I was playing 50z mainly with a limited bankroll. I ended up winning decently -



but not amazingly. I won about 1000$ after rakeback and had a 3k bankroll - now - this is not for the feint of heart, but I have added 2k to my account, 25 buy ins, and decided to shot take 200z. I will move down if I lose 5 buy ins.

This bankroll management plan is extremely aggressive, and maybe downright stupid. But I know I will always have my 50z safety net to fall back on if I lose 1000+. Thanks for reading, going to 2 tables for a while and report back.
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03-07-2021 , 11:14 PM
Gl 5bi is a coin flip but may the luck be on your side
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03-07-2021 , 11:48 PM
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Gl 5bi is a coin flip but may the luck be on your side
Thanks, hope it will. Probably will mix 200z and 50z depending on pool quality so its not like all my volume will be at the midstakes



First time playing, just to get a feel of the games. - to decrease clutter I plan on posting a graph every 2500 hands so I won't be spamming PGC. Going to be playing in 500 hand chunks too.

Interesting hand here -

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $221.00 (111 bb)
MP: $370.44 (185 bb)
CO: $253.00 (127 bb)
BU: $206.35 (103 bb)
SB: $288.63 (144 bb)
BB (Hero): $200.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BB with J 7
UTG raises to $4, 3 players fold, SB calls $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($12) J 4 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $5.70, SB folds, Hero raises to $22.34, UTG calls $16.64

Turn: ($56.68) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($56.68) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $13.46, Hero calls $13.46

Flop is standard I think, how about turn? Obviously we want to stack off but I'm wondering what's the best way to stack flush draws, AJ/KJ and overpairs. I was planning a check jam which seems smart since he needs a lot of protection but should we just pot it?
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03-08-2021 , 12:15 AM
i probably 3.5x ship turn
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03-08-2021 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
i probably 3.5x ship turn
fr? Seems so much like a vulnerable value hand that needs protection. How would we balance it?

Last edited by 2021shipit; 03-08-2021 at 09:35 AM.
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03-08-2021 , 07:13 PM
Not posting results till 2500 hands (hint : sunrun)

but here's a hand!

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG (Hero): $200.00 (100 bb)
MP: $203.40 (102 bb)
CO: $230.21 (115 bb)
BU: $243.00 (122 bb)
SB: $233.19 (117 bb)
BB: $95.33 (48 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $4.40, 2 players fold, BTN calls $4.40, 1 fold, BB 3-bets to $15.05, Hero 4-bets to $30, 1 fold, BB calls $14.95

Flop: ($65.40) 6 9 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, BB calls $14

Turn: ($93.40) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $65.99, BB calls $51.33 (all-in)

Jam turn is fine? I am scared he will fold his TT and 99 no spade. Maybe I should just jam flop?
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03-08-2021 , 09:48 PM
I couldn't wait...


Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG (Hero): $200.00 (100 bb)
MP: $171.33 (86 bb)
CO: $546.23 (273 bb)
BU: $200.00 (100 bb)
SB: $269.90 (135 bb)
BB: $347.46 (174 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is UTG with A 8
Hero raises to $4.40, 3 players fold, SB calls $3.40, BB calls $2.40

Flop: ($13.20) 8 A A (3 players)
SB bets $13.20, BB folds, Hero raises to $195.60 (all-in), SB calls $182.40

Fumy hand ^, had a note from 200z that he donks super value heavy

he had KQhh and was dead

Thoughts on this call down -

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $219.97 (110 bb)
MP: $283.70 (142 bb)
CO: $258.60 (129 bb)
BU: $264.50 (132 bb)
SB: $206.93 (103 bb)
BB (Hero): $201.80 (101 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BB with A T
UTG raises to $4.30, 4 players fold, Hero 3-bets to $18, UTG calls $13.70

Flop: ($37) 5 5 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $11.60, Hero calls $11.60

Turn: ($60.20) T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $18.88, Hero calls $18.88

River: ($97.96) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $31.34, Hero calls $31.34

Can't fold this in a million years right?
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03-09-2021 , 04:15 AM
Hey gl with your challenge, fingers are crossed!

How is your first impression of the 200z pool?
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03-09-2021 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by xxyungeloest
Hey gl with your challenge, fingers are crossed!

How is your first impression of the 200z pool?
I think it's pretty soft tbh, harder than 50z ofc but not by much. That being said I am talking with a few other regs in the pool and they say that it has been particularly soft the past few days so ill need to play a few more days to understand. I'm trying to pool select and only play in mornings and night times, or ill just play 50z if the 200z pool isn't good.
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03-09-2021 , 07:38 PM
Good Luck with your challenge Keep us informed!

Whats your WWSF/W$SD ? Just curious.
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03-09-2021 , 07:55 PM
Thanks!

WWSF - 51

W$SD- 60

seems high - i suspect I am not value betting thinly enough
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03-09-2021 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
Thanks, hope it will. Probably will mix 200z and 50z depending on pool quality so its not like all my volume will be at the midstakes



First time playing, just to get a feel of the games. - to decrease clutter I plan on posting a graph every 2500 hands so I won't be spamming PGC. Going to be playing in 500 hand chunks too.

Interesting hand here -

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $221.00 (111 bb)
MP: $370.44 (185 bb)
CO: $253.00 (127 bb)
BU: $206.35 (103 bb)
SB: $288.63 (144 bb)
BB (Hero): $200.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BB with J 7
UTG raises to $4, 3 players fold, SB calls $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($12) J 4 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $5.70, SB folds, Hero raises to $22.34, UTG calls $16.64

Turn: ($56.68) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($56.68) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $13.46, Hero calls $13.46

Flop is standard I think, how about turn? Obviously we want to stack off but I'm wondering what's the best way to stack flush draws, AJ/KJ and overpairs. I was planning a check jam which seems smart since he needs a lot of protection but should we just pot it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
i probably 3.5x ship turn
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2021shipit
fr? Seems so much like a vulnerable value hand that needs protection. How would we balance it?
Here's my sim with no node locking. I just gave you and UTG normal GTO-ish ranges and sort of disregard the SB. I think the only thing that matters is just seeing if jamming turn is a thing or not (it is), but here are the ranges/results.

constraints



ip range (17.6%)



bb call range vs minopen



utg cb range only allowing 50% sizing, in reality it wouldnt be this high since sb cc, but whatever



bb x/r



skipping the utg bet/call and just going to the 6h turn, j7cc/ss is basically just always jammed here (3.5x pot). J7hh mixes some smaller sizings which makes sense.



anyways I strongly disagree with checking turn as basically any 3/5/6/8 non-diamonds are like your highest ev turns... you should just be betting a lot on these types of turns.... see runout hotness OOP EV



and runout hotness OOP strat

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03-09-2021 , 10:23 PM
What ranges are these? Maybe I am reading it correctly but it says it's flatting KK 47%?
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03-09-2021 , 10:25 PM
Its vs a minopen. Theoretically you dont 3b much vs minopens
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03-09-2021 , 10:36 PM
The UTG range is just GTO monker range. The BB defense I got vs a 2x open preflop solve vs a 15% RFI though I don't remember what rake was used for the solve.

I'll run a preflop sim overnight for BB defense vs a 17.6% RFI range and 2x sizing.

2bb -> 10bb -> 24bb -> 100bb sizings seem reasonable for the sizings and I'll input the rake @ 5% capped at 2bb.
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03-09-2021 , 11:28 PM
Ok thanks for running the sim for me! Really useful to see the use of the solver and how to set it up etc. Super interesting spot

Question - What are the practical applications/implications of the turn report? Seems like a really cool feature but hard to comprehend how to study it.
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03-09-2021 , 11:41 PM
The turn hotness? The pictures I showed show the ev and strategy for the OOP player as a function of the turn card. As Isaid the low cards that dont pair and arent diamonds are the best cards so you can see that in the ev report and then compare/contrast with the strategy output. Generally speaking higher ev cards will result in higher betting frequencies.
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03-10-2021 , 12:16 PM
solved to 2.39bb/100 exploitability and used a 34 flop subset. It's messy because it could solve a decent bit more and its also over a small flop subset at high SPR which just makes it a big tree. Clearly some noise in this and part of it is likely a function of the flop subset since it seems to overvalue 4x/3x more than it should. Still it's a reasonable approximation. Resolving the tree with the new solved ranges doesn't result in a significant change in strategy and no change in strategy for your specific holding.




Last edited by Brokenstars; 03-10-2021 at 12:22 PM.
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03-10-2021 , 02:55 PM
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Resolving the tree with the new solved ranges doesn't result in a significant change in strategy and no change in strategy for your specific holding.
Thanks, good to know. I am going to run sims for some other boards with this all in sizing.



First 2500 hands at 200z (few hundred at 50z as well)

I felt I got coolered a decent amount but obviously my EVBB is much higher than in reality, so I'm not complaining
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03-10-2021 , 04:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2021shipit
Thanks, good to know. I am going to run sims for some other boards with this all in sizing.
It won't be used particularly that often, but here is double flush draw board on turn where you have nuts/air and benefit a lot from denying equity while being OOP.
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03-10-2021 , 04:35 PM
GL OP, well done on showing a lot of heart. You're in my prayers.
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03-10-2021 , 06:01 PM
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but here is double flush draw board on turn where you have nuts/air and benefit a lot from denying equity while being OOP.
Interesting heuristic, will definitely keep it in mind

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GL OP, well done on showing a lot of heart. You're in my prayers.
Thanks <3

Going to try and play at least 2500 hands by sunday.

I used to 4 table, even 5 tables 50 blitz and it just was not something that was +EV for me. I am 2 tabling 200z, ratholing, using my full timebank, and really feeling that I had a higher understanding of spots as I play them. As such, instead of 1000 hands an hour, I get only about 400. I am fine, even happy with this, as my play is improving.
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03-10-2021 , 07:03 PM
great mental, keep going op
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03-10-2021 , 09:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2021shipit
Thanks, hope it will. Probably will mix 200z and 50z depending on pool quality so its not like all my volume will be at the midstakes



First time playing, just to get a feel of the games. - to decrease clutter I plan on posting a graph every 2500 hands so I won't be spamming PGC. Going to be playing in 500 hand chunks too.

Interesting hand here -

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $221.00 (111 bb)
MP: $370.44 (185 bb)
CO: $253.00 (127 bb)
BU: $206.35 (103 bb)
SB: $288.63 (144 bb)
BB (Hero): $200.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BB with J 7
UTG raises to $4, 3 players fold, SB calls $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($12) J 4 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $5.70, SB folds, Hero raises to $22.34, UTG calls $16.64

Turn: ($56.68) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($56.68) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $13.46, Hero calls $13.46

Flop is standard I think, how about turn? Obviously we want to stack off but I'm wondering what's the best way to stack flush draws, AJ/KJ and overpairs. I was planning a check jam which seems smart since he needs a lot of protection but should we just pot it?
Its such a easy +ev spot to bet on the turn. Its basically a brick. checking is awful. Get coaching if you don't see that is a betting spot. There is no reason to check. What part of his range makes u want to check there? It seems like you are worried he has a set and you want to pot control. You got top 2 you gotta build the pot there and your hand is vulnerable against draws, pair with better kicker. You gotta charge him. Its ridiculous check. And your playing 200nl. Good lord.
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03-10-2021 , 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Here's my sim with no node locking. I just gave you and UTG normal GTO-ish ranges and sort of disregard the SB. I think the only thing that matters is just seeing if jamming turn is a thing or not (it is), but here are the ranges/results.

constraints



ip range (17.6%)



bb call range vs minopen



utg cb range only allowing 50% sizing, in reality it wouldnt be this high since sb cc, but whatever



bb x/r



skipping the utg bet/call and just going to the 6h turn, j7cc/ss is basically just always jammed here (3.5x pot). J7hh mixes some smaller sizings which makes sense.



anyways I strongly disagree with checking turn as basically any 3/5/6/8 non-diamonds are like your highest ev turns... you should just be betting a lot on these types of turns.... see runout hotness OOP EV



and runout hotness OOP strat

You are running sims with top 2 pair on that turn?
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