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02-27-2020 , 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
I've played some with swingy results and done some solver work node-locking for pool tendencies.

What I found solving BB x/r vs BTN SRP (node-locked for less x/r):
- Our folding freq OTB goes up by ~50% (compared to equilibrium) in many spots
- We have to pitch a lot of top pairs without backdoor equity when we get raised.
- Often times second pair with backdoor equity is preferred to defend over top pair no backdoor.
- The adjustment we have to make vs pool is HUGE, bigger than I thought.
- The x/r range I gave OOP is not even unreasonable. People have no idea how much they should x/r, even I was surprised when I started working in solvers. Not many <50nl regs find x/r with second/bottom pair with backdoor equity, and this is done alot in equilibrium.


so... be a nit vs raises.
I'll also add that the node-lock makes us cbet wider, so when we rarely get check-raised we are folding a higher frequency. So the ~50% more folding isn't accurate if all was equal.
02-28-2020 , 12:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
I've played some with swingy results and done some solver work node-locking for pool tendencies.

What I found solving BB x/r vs BTN SRP (node-locked for less x/r):
- Our folding freq OTB goes up by ~50% (compared to equilibrium) in many spots
- We have to pitch a lot of top pairs without backdoor equity when we get raised.
- Often times second pair with backdoor equity is preferred to defend over top pair no backdoor.
- The adjustment we have to make vs pool is HUGE, bigger than I thought.
- The x/r range I gave OOP is not even unreasonable. People have no idea how much they should x/r, even I was surprised when I started working in solvers. Not many <50nl regs find x/r with second/bottom pair with backdoor equity, and this is done alot in equilibrium.


so... be a nit vs raises.
Interesting points. The using second pair with backdoor equity part makes sense. Not much difference in value between top pair and second pair vs bluffs. And the extra equity from backdoor draws becomes more important.
02-28-2020 , 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
I've played some with swingy results and done some solver work node-locking for pool tendencies.

What I found solving BB x/r vs BTN SRP (node-locked for less x/r):
- Our folding freq OTB goes up by ~50% (compared to equilibrium) in many spots
- We have to pitch a lot of top pairs without backdoor equity when we get raised.
- Often times second pair with backdoor equity is preferred to defend over top pair no backdoor.
- The adjustment we have to make vs pool is HUGE, bigger than I thought.
- The x/r range I gave OOP is not even unreasonable. People have no idea how much they should x/r, even I was surprised when I started working in solvers. Not many <50nl regs find x/r with second/bottom pair with backdoor equity, and this is done alot in equilibrium.


so... be a nit vs raises.
"Not many <50nl regs find x/r with second/bottom pair with backdoor equity, and this is done alot in equilibrium."

Yes, I "discovered" this about 1/2 month(s) ago. It changed a lot the way I play certain spots, especially BTNxBB.

"Often times second pair with backdoor equity is preferred to defend over top pair no backdoor."

I didn't know that, this is very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I will study a little more of this.

~

Which sizing did you choose to the raiser? Around 50%?

I think these adjusts will be a good choice to boost your WR, but be a little bit careful about overadjusting. These limits also have some players that like to overbluff/spew.
02-28-2020 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs
Which sizing did you choose to the raiser? Around 50%?

I think these adjusts will be a good choice to boost your WR, but be a little bit careful about overadjusting. These limits also have some players that like to overbluff/spew.

55%

When I do this I try to look at the most likely player tendency. If we pick one random player from the pool, how is he most likely gonna play the flop? I don't have H2N or similar to actually do a data driven study on the pool so this is somewhat subjective.
02-28-2020 , 08:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
55%

When I do this I try to look at the most likely player tendency. If we pick one random player from the pool, how is he most likely gonna play the flop? I don't have H2N or similar to actually do a data driven study on the pool so this is somewhat subjective.
Yes, you're adjusting to the playerpool tendencies (on average). It's a good choice to boost your WR indeed.

I think BPC has some work done on playerpool tendencies. I don't particularly identify with their work too much, but in any case here is a link: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/ex...tion-hotspots/
02-28-2020 , 08:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs
Yes, you're adjusting to the playerpool tendencies (on average). It's a good choice to boost your WR indeed.

I think BPC has some work done on playerpool tendencies. I don't particularly identify with their work too much, but in any case here is a link: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/ex...tion-hotspots/
Oh cool Giovanni. I've been looking for resources like this. Thank you very much
02-28-2020 , 09:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Oh cool Giovanni. I've been looking for resources like this. Thank you very much
We're welcome, mate.
02-28-2020 , 10:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs
"Not many <50nl regs find x/r with second/bottom pair with backdoor equity, and this is done alot in equilibrium."

Yes, I "discovered" this about 1/2 month(s) ago. It changed a lot the way I play certain spots, especially BTNxBB.

"Often times second pair with backdoor equity is preferred to defend over top pair no backdoor."

I didn't know that, this is very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I will study a little more of this.

~

Which sizing did you choose to the raiser? Around 50%?

I think these adjusts will be a good choice to boost your WR, but be a little bit careful about overadjusting. These limits also have some players that like to overbluff/spew.
It's not that much of an overadjustment. This strat probably smashes like 90% of the pool and then loses to 10% of regs who will probably be moving up fairly quickly anyway. And ofc if you can identify who these regs are you can just resort to being balanced and your good to go.

To be honest it's quite a natural adjustment that comes pretty quickly to anyone paying attention in the micros.
02-28-2020 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 291
It's not that much of an overadjustment. This strat probably smashes like 90% of the pool and then loses to 10% of regs who will probably be moving up fairly quickly anyway. And ofc if you can identify who these regs are you can just resort to being balanced and your good to go.

To be honest it's quite a natural adjustment that comes pretty quickly to anyone paying attention in the micros.
I like this. Yes if I encounter an unknown I'm never worried that they sometimes are balanced. Usually you make that assumption if you catch them trippling off with a decent combo or something similar.

What I'm a little worried about is 50z. I think its important to pay alot of attention to not overadjust if the dynamic is significantly different.
02-28-2020 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 291
It's not that much of an overadjustment. This strat probably smashes like 90% of the pool and then loses to 10% of regs who will probably be moving up fairly quickly anyway. And ofc if you can identify who these regs are you can just resort to being balanced and your good to go.

To be honest it's quite a natural adjustment that comes pretty quickly to anyone paying attention in the micros.
Yes, I agree. I wasn't saying that this specific strategy is an overadjustment. I meant that, in general (and in my humble opinion), we should be a little bit carefull about overadjusting overall. If you see the oneselfishguy's blog (a really great nl50z player), for example, you'll see that he went to a bad moment once [also] because he overadjusted too much.

This discussion is long and old. There are excellent players who like to adjust to the maximum (often based on the playerpool tendencies or simple "faith"/"subjective interpretations"), excellent players who make only small/tiny adjustments and other players who make no adjustments at all.

Mathematically speaking, if there are technical reasons that justify the adaptation, it will be very beneficial, of course.

But I agree that these specific adaptions are great for the winrate.

Last edited by Giovanni Dcs; 02-28-2020 at 10:53 AM.
02-28-2020 , 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs
Yes, I agree. I wasn't saying that this specific strategy is an overadjustment. I meant that, in general (and in my humble opinion), we should be a little bit carefull about overadjusting overall. If you see the oneselfishguy's blog (a really great nl50z player), for example, you'll see that he went to a bad moment once [also] because he overadjusted too much.

This discussion is long and old. There are excellent players who like to adjust to the maximum (often based on the playerpool tendencies or simple "faith"/"subjective interpretations"), excellent players who make only small/tiny adjustments and other players who make no adjustments at all.

Mathematically speaking, if there are technical reasons that justify the adaptation, it will be very beneficial, of course.

But I agree that these specific adaptions are great for the winrate.
Yeah

Let's say x/r freq for BB should be roughly 20% in this spot but the average is freq is somewhere around 5% (don't think this is too crazy to assume for 10nlz) then you can see how necessary it is to adjust and how good folding is.
02-28-2020 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 291
Yeah

Let's say x/r freq for BB should be roughly 20% in this spot but the average is freq is somewhere around 5% (don't think this is too crazy to assume for 10nlz) then you can see how necessary it is to adjust and how good folding is.
If your goal is to maximize your winrate, yes. He's playing nl25z though (better opponents), but I agree that even there people probably don't x/r enough.
03-01-2020 , 10:03 AM
February:


Ridiculous volume but in line with my minimum #hands while I'm busy with work, school and other stuff. I'm really happy with my poker studying, and feel like I'm improving everyday.

Not a lot of school stuff left but my thesis will take up alot of time this month, and is still the priority for me.

Can't wait to start getting in at least 25k hands a month. Low volume can be really stressful because standard swings feel like major upswings or downswings and takes several days to ride out.

My mental game is at it's strongest right now, better than ever before. I have an easy time accepting the good and the bad at the tables and being honest with myself.

GL in march
03-02-2020 , 08:21 AM
Good job, mate.

Don't worry too much about volume. This is natural when we don't have too much time available for poker. The important thing is to do what you're doing: being calm, doing good decisions and understanding the math behind the game as a pro. Congrats!
03-02-2020 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs
Good job, mate.

Don't worry too much about volume. This is natural when we don't have too much time available for poker. The important thing is to do what you're doing: being calm, doing good decisions and understanding the math behind the game as a pro. Congrats!
Thank you buddy. We continue clicking buttons
03-03-2020 , 06:23 PM
Cool thread and great discussion. GL this year!
03-03-2020 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru
Cool thread and great discussion. GL this year!
Thanks alot dude
03-05-2020 , 12:31 PM
Great thread. And I’m sorry for mentioning this but I register your handle as “Shitpickle” and I have to consciously tell myself that you are not the Shitpickle.
03-05-2020 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovesmokes
Great thread. And I’m sorry for mentioning this but I register your handle as “Shitpickle” and I have to consciously tell myself that you are not the Shitpickle.
What the actual hell Well, that makes me want to change my screenname. Too late now.

Thank you
03-05-2020 , 12:57 PM
I will show myself the door.
03-05-2020 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovesmokes
I will show myself the door.
I meant changing it to Shitpickle. Get in and close the door behind you.
03-05-2020 , 03:50 PM
Nice thread OP you bring up a lot of interesting strategy points. Look forward to following!
03-05-2020 , 05:52 PM
Month so far:


I've been playing solid lately. Some GTO concepts have become almost second nature and some spots don't require my 1/3 of a brain to use up the whole timebank anymore. That really keeps my confidence up even during losing sessions.

I think I still miss some crucial spots where I probably need to stab in "dead" pots, where blockers don't really make a difference and both ranges are close to capped. Using the RNG to make these closer decisions is probably the way to go for me. Want to make sure I go for it atleast some of the time and use a couple sizings I would use when betting for thin value.

You can call me Shitpickle.

GL at the tables
03-05-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Grubz37
Nice thread OP you bring up a lot of interesting strategy points. Look forward to following!
I'm happy to hear that! Thanks mate
03-06-2020 , 04:33 AM
As always, very good job on the tables. I admire your calmness and quality of play. GL in this month, hope you'll crush it!

      
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