hey, thanks for the reply. I'm actually working my way through your thread.

weed helps a lot. also the fact that I only lost 6k on the night isn't too bad. it's just like a really bad day at 500nl. and i'm still up quite a bit from this heater so overall i can't really be upset, but it's definitely hitting me how ****** crazy it is that I was involved in a pot for over $30,000. like wtf, never would've thought. maybe one day i'll win one

and yeah I think shot taking these games is fine, but if I'm up 2 buyins in a game at 10x the stakes I play I should probably book it lesson learned




prophetic quote lmao:

You have 40k roll and playing 10k? For a pro isn’t this a huge gamble? Either way following and hope you go on heater


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Yeah idk that just feels like a really bad mindset tbh. Increasing your roll by 20% in one session shouldn't feel meaningless. I don't think "booking the win" is really the answer either though. Assumedly the reason you sat is because you thought the ev of the game was extremely high and if the big whale still had lots of money to give away than leaving because of winning a buyin or two destroys the whole point of shotting this super high ev game in the first place. But there has to be a reasonable limit to what level is affordable to shot take for whatever the current roll is. Great quote from a doc that just came out that everyone should watch called "Free Solo", "If you're pushing the edge, eventually you find the edge".

Mental game is def prob the biggest factor when it comes to all this. Super easy for things to snowball. Everyone's thresholds will be different. I think people tend to underestimate how mentally taxing it can be to get buried higher and then have to grind it back lower. Especially when you are depending on it as your sole source of income and you don't wanna be treading water for a super long time if shots don't work out.

yeah, ~50k roll. huge gamble, yes. but even dropping to 25k would be fine to play 500nl. wouldn't gamble down that far anyway though.



yeah i mean it's definitely exciting to increase my roll by that amount, but at the end of the day it changes nothing for me. so i've become sort of detached from the results. not by choice though

i actually table started the game there was a bad reg sitting and I said **** it, im gunna play this guy. then a fish sat, then a whale, then the table filled with more **** regs obviously. stuck around because it was a fun game tbh, had a little banter going on. definitely think I was +ev and potentially the best player at the table, but tbh the degen in me is what made me play tonight

but I agree with what you, def needs to be a limit on both ends. 2 buyins probably should've been it. and def tough to feel like "damn, gotta win 10 buyins to get that 1 buyin back" but i don't really think about that. i love trying to get my wr at each stake as high as i can so when I'm at 500nl i'm just trying to crush that stake, i'm not worried about winning back losses. i know there will be a day i get a chance to play 5k or 10k again

The fact you can be the best player at the table in these games should give you incentive to build your roll like someone who gives a ****

Can relate tho

can't win what you don't put on the table amigo.

agree


well the "rush and cash" grind is over I think. I found out that the tracker within natural8 that tells you your won/loss doesn't include rake (criminal if you ask me - games are soft/fun but the site is shady af). I thought I was doing ~19bb/100 when in reality after rake I'm doing like 2bb/100. that's after the game just launched too... as regs get better and the novelty wears off for fish I'm sure my wr would suffer. the same thing that made me really enjoy this game at first, all the non standard spots created by the splash pots, has kinda burned me out as I have to think way harder while playing this variant than while playing normal hold em. and this game has a sick amount of variance that I'd rather not deal with.

so back to the standard 500nl grind with some 1k shots on the weekend. would like to put in 40k hands this month. taking today off since I haven't had a day off in a week, but I'm going hard tomorrow

Rofl that's pretty unfortunate
Also wtf at 17 bb/100 rake

Never play that crap anymore, that rake is pretty much unbeatable. Even if it is beatable, there's no way you can tell if you beat it or not, if you're right, you will be a small winner at best, if you're wrong you could easily be losing 5bb/100 at a nl5k game which is mental.

Also there's the chance that this shady site steals your roll, so meh, better to stay out of that shady stuff.

yeah, kinda sucks to have been grinding so hard to win 1st in the volume challenge, but I'm kinda glad I don't have to grind that game 12 hours/day all month

it's not 17bb/100 rake on normal cash games, just the new zoom game



I never realized who borntotilt or TheWakko are until I saw run it once's youtube list of the top 500z regs, but one of them is always on the 5k+ tables. also played a little bit of 1k with them, obviously they're really good. wakko is much tougher to play against but also spewier. if they're both playing i don't sit. just thought of it because katya_18 is on my right at 1knl right now

There's a really good chance that those aren't actually who you think they are

Katya does love playing 1knl on random sites

lol, who does that. not that i doubt it. i see durrrr and therealtomdwan etc, just didn't think someone would steal thewakko or borntotilt's sn. katya i could see since he's better known (guess that's really subjective though)

also wouldn't say ggpoker is a random site. they pretty much always have more high stakes action than stars. right now all stars has is a 4 handed 10/20 going lol. rarely do I see hs action on stars but it runs every day on gg. it's also #6 in pokerscout just behind party, tho ime the cash traffic on gg is much better than party.

they're definitely shady af though, not defending them lol. just saying they're one of the biggest networks

he sure doesn't like playing it on stars, he's just sitting out vs llinus on every table

He's been reg battling 100/200 & 200/400 a lot fwiw, llinus is just too good

Damn just reading this, crazy **** dude. Mostly offline until Thursday, hope we can meet up for some ollies or surf sushi some day before end of week

Also Conor Drinan aka blanconegro uses my name on Party Poker, so it def does happen

GLGL dude

borntotilt on ggpoker = Katya

yeah haha was just joking around, katya obviously is a beast

that's genuinely surprising. had btt marked as one of the top 5 regs, but out of those 5 I always thought he was the worst. lol sample though, probably less than 5k hands together


crazy **** indeed. yeah lets try to grab some ollies this weekend

back to winning more slowly. 500nl results today (always hate to end on a QQ vs AA stack off, but w/e I was wrapping up anyway):





also broke even playing a few hundo hands of 1knl and 5knl (lol I had to - 1 whale, 2 fish, and 2 short stacking eastern euros were playing. not a good reg in sight, how could I pass it up?)

if i catch myself betting less than pot vs a fish otr i'm gunna be really annoyed. gotta make these stations pay

iPoker - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 309.27 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 160.1 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BTN: 155.56 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (SB): 99 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 9

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, MP raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 8 3 2
Hero checks, MP bets 10.03 BB, Hero calls 10.03 BB

Turn: (39.05 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (39.05 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 39.05 BB, MP calls 39.05 BB

MP shows 8 A (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 67%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
Hero shows 8 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
(Pre 33%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
Hero wins 116.36 BB

one of those runouts where i should almost never get called down by worse if i fire turn/river. but i always do, so why not

iPoker - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 393.78 BB (VPIP: 47.62, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 30.00, Hands: 22)
BB: 203.72 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 22)
Hero (MP): 102.1 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BTN: 48.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 8

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, CO raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) A 8 T
Hero checks, CO bets 4.75 BB, Hero raises to 15.87 BB, CO calls 11.12 BB

Turn: (49.25 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 24.62 BB, CO calls 24.62 BB

River: (98.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 53.6 BB, CO calls 51.5 BB

Hero shows A 8 (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)

Hero wins 202.8 BB

easy peasy

iPoker - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 60 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: 108.33 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 28)
Hero (SB): 132.08 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 257.35 BB (VPIP: 26.83, PFR: 20.73, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 84)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K 6

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, BB calls 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 3 players) 6 6 K
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: (15 BB, 3 players) T
Hero bets 10.5 BB, BB calls 10.5 BB, fold

River: (36 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 116.58 BB, BB calls 84.5 BB

Hero shows K 6 (Full House, Sixes full of Kings)

Hero wins 236.28 BB

still giving $ away to whales tho... i know he always has a 4 here i just don't have a fold button



iPoker - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 57.21 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: 146.93 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 18.46, 3Bet Preflop: 10.71, Hands: 66)
Hero (CO): 132.4 BB
BTN: 101.45 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 106.94 BB (VPIP: 9.80, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
BB: 86.69 BB (VPIP: 70.83, PFR: 41.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 9 J 4
BB checks, Hero bets 3.75 BB, BB calls 3.75 BB

Turn: (13 BB, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets 20 BB, BB raises to 73 BB, Hero raises to 126 BB, BB calls 7.44 BB

River: (173.87 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
(Pre 81%, Flop 77%, Turn 5%)
BB shows 2 4 (Three of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 19%, Flop 23%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 45.56 BB
BB wins 173.07 BB

KK there vs a whale i am not folding if he raises my liferoll