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Old 02-21-2019, 10:32 PM   #1151
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Is your mother a child beater?

Has anything that has been said suggested that anyone (Mzbourg included although he can speak for himself) thinks that what your mother did is acceptable whether people are for or against hitting children?

No. So they probably aren't on the same side.

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It's very simplistic framing of a more complex issue. You're a smart guy you get this, if you don't want the debate ITT I understand that completely but don't fall back on lazy **** arguments. You're better than that.
I agree that there are levels of abuse. my mom, in terms of physical abuse, was pretty mild. so yeah, she was better than other abusers and she was worse than parents who use corporal punishment without losing control of their emotions. I don't think every parent who has ever spanked their kid is a bad person or bad parent. Didn't mean to imply that if I did.

However, I do think that hitting children is harmful, no matter how hard it is or whether it's done emotionally or rationally. And I think we as a society will be better when we no longer resort to it.

but you're right, it's not child beaters vs non child beaters. it is more complex than that, as most people are against child abuse but ok with some form of hitting kids. imo abuse is abuse, but some forms of abuse are worse than others
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:51 PM   #1152
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No one I know thinks it's okay to hit their kids, wouldn't be tolerated in my circles. Easy to **** up your kids even without deliberate violence, it baffles me people think fear and shame are tools to mold their children. My brother was 'disruptive' in his youth and is still traumatised from cold showers he was sometimes forced into to stop tantrums he would have at home. Even shouting is very rarely warranted. Do you want your kids to behave out of fear of judgement/pain or because they understand the impact their actions have on others?

**** perpetuating these cycles on any level
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:15 PM   #1153
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No one I know thinks it's okay to hit their kids, wouldn't be tolerated in my circles. Easy to **** up your kids even without deliberate violence, it baffles me people think fear and shame are tools to mold their children. My brother was 'disruptive' in his youth and is still traumatised from cold showers he was sometimes forced into to stop tantrums he would have at home. Even shouting is very rarely warranted. Do you want your kids to behave out of fear of judgement/pain or because they understand the impact their actions have on others?

**** perpetuating these cycles on any level
agreed. and that's really ****ty about your brother.

everytime I open the thread I'm worried the new reply is gunna be some guy saying "u snowflakes are so soft, smacking your kids is how you get respect" or some **** like that. I've had people ask me, "how else would I get them to respect me?" I'm just like, maybe start by being a decent person
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:27 PM   #1154
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No one I know thinks it's okay to hit their kids, wouldn't be tolerated in my circles. Easy to **** up your kids even without deliberate violence, it baffles me people think fear and shame are tools to mold their children. My brother was 'disruptive' in his youth and is still traumatised from cold showers he was sometimes forced into to stop tantrums he would have at home. Even shouting is very rarely warranted. Do you want your kids to behave out of fear of judgement/pain or because they understand the impact their actions have on others?

**** perpetuating these cycles on any level
What are your circles? Child behavioural psychologists? Otherwise how is it relevant? If your argument is your mostly liberal educated friends have a liberal viewpoint that's not incredibly enlightening.

I'm sorry your brother had a negative past experience. Unfortunately with new research that becomes available on just about everything past practices will become outdated.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:54 PM   #1155
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What are your circles? Child behavioural psychologists? Otherwise how is it relevant? If your argument is your mostly liberal educated friends have a liberal viewpoint that's not incredibly enlightening.

I'm sorry your brother had a negative past experience. Unfortunately with new research that becomes available on just about everything past practices will become outdated.
what experiences in life have made you so eager to trivialize child abuse? you make it sound like it takes an expert to know that using violence, fear, or shame against your kids is wrong and damaging
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what experiences in life have made you so eager to trivialize child abuse? you make it sound like it takes an expert to know that using violence, fear, or shame against your kids is wrong and damaging
How am I trivialising child abuse? If I am I definitely don't mean to be.

I'm a teacher in secondary education. I'd never want to lay a finger on a child and in my position unless extreme circumstances were called for never would, i.e. a child putting themselves or others in immediate danger. I'm also always very clear to understand what circumstances I pass onto SLT to deal with when pupils or the like refuse to remove themselves from a situation.

I'm somewhat lucky that I'm a big bloke but even in fights I insert myself between if possible as that is usually enough to stop any negatives happening at that age group.

As social creatures it's important to realise the roles that violence, fear and shame play on us as a species and our development. I'd argue all three are some of the biggest drivers for social change that we have ever had. That is also why they work so well as areas of abuse.

Whether it is right or wrong very much depends on the circumstances and unfortunately it will be wrong at times.

I do find it quite offending that you are saying I trivialise child abuse. I'm not sure where I have done that.
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Old 02-22-2019, 12:08 AM   #1157
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How am I trivialising child abuse? If I am I definitely don't mean to be.

I'm a teacher in secondary education. I'd never want to lay a finger on a child and in my position unless extreme circumstances were called for never would, i.e. a child putting themselves or others in immediate danger. I'm also always very clear to understand what circumstances I pass onto SLT to deal with when pupils or the like refuse to remove themselves from a situation.

I'm somewhat lucky that I'm a big bloke but even in fights I insert myself between if possible as that is usually enough.

As social creatures it's important to realise the roles that violence, fear and shame play on us as a species and our development. I'd argue all three are some of the biggest drivers for social change that we have ever had. That is also why they work so well as areas of abuse.

Whether it is right or wrong very much depends on the circumstances and unfortunately it will be wrong at times.
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seems trivializing to me. you're not factually wrong, but it sounds like you're excusing pretty despicable behavior as just being the way things were back then. maybe I'm reading into it too much
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Old 02-22-2019, 12:10 AM   #1158
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seems trivializing to me. you're not factually wrong, but it sounds like you're excusing pretty despicable behavior as just being the way things were back then. maybe I'm reading into it too much
No that's fair. I'm probably over assuming it was longer ago than it was and the benefits of such treatments as a normalisation as to what happened.

That is wrong of me and I apologise.
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Old 02-22-2019, 12:19 AM   #1159
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No that's fair. I'm probably over assuming it was longer ago than it was and the benefits of such treatments as a normalisation as to what happened.

That is wrong of me and I apologise.
no worries. I appreciate the rational discussion. and I appreciate you calling me out for making it a black and white/us vs them issue. it's easy to fall into that trap but it does nothing to further discussion
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:28 AM   #1160
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i finally have a rapidesh approved hand


iPoker - $5 NL - Holdem - 8 players
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SB: 23.15 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BB: 159.8 BB (VPIP: 9.17, PFR: 5.50, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 110)
UTG: 62.63 BB (VPIP: 69.70, PFR: 45.45, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 33)
UTG+1: 41.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: 112.38 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP+1: 32 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (CO): 105.48 BB
BTN: 108.86 BB (VPIP: 21.37, PFR: 14.53, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 117)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, MP raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8.7 BB, BTN raises to 29.65 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 20.95 BB

Flop: (63.2 BB, 2 players) J T 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 31.8 BB, fold

BTN wins 94.2 BB


vamooooo



iPoker - $5 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 38.76 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 157.25 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 64)
BB: 109.25 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 89.07 BB (VPIP: 25.58, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 45)
UTG+1: 28.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 183.39 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (CO): 133.48 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2.5 BB, MP raises to 7 BB, Hero raises to 17.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (39 BB, 2 players) 7 5 8
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (39 BB, 2 players) 2
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (39 BB, 2 players) 4
MP bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

MP shows 9 J (High Card, Jack)
(Pre 38%, Flop 31%, Turn 39%)
Hero shows A K (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 62%, Flop 69%, Turn 61%)
Hero wins 84.2 BB
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:33 AM   #1161
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What are your circles? Child behavioural psychologists? Otherwise how is it relevant? If your argument is your mostly liberal educated friends have a liberal viewpoint that's not incredibly enlightening.

I'm sorry your brother had a negative past experience. Unfortunately with new research that becomes available on just about everything past practices will become outdated.
Yes, actually. Mostly referring to me, friends I grew up with, friends I know now and all of their parents, including several psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers. I'm also speaking personally. I really couldn't give a **** what 'the science' has to say about this tbh, common sense dictating that at best it's justifiable under very specific circumstances as a last resort and with a huge amount of careful communication around the physical abuse (or whatever you want to call it). Behavioral/developmental science tends to correlate very closely with the attitude of the time.

I personally know how damaging/unhelpful child rearing 'techniques' like this tend to be. The only benefit I can think of is exposure to the reality that it happens. Most kids just learn to not do things and get caught, either becoming rebels, balls of tension or both. Might makes right is a dangerous attitude to instill in a young child who can't place that in a developed context. If you care to do research of your own I think you'll find the literature indicates outcomes of beating children are generally worse than not. If you want to think of exceptions to the rule then I question your motives or at least the integrity of your initial argument.

I do understand that it was the norm not long ago, I feel sorry for the observable impact it's had on generations before me and also pleased at how rapidly that attitude seems to be generally changing across the board.
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:24 AM   #1162
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just doubled up a 50bb buyin at 25/50 in one orbit. may the sun run be eternal

letting it ride obv
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:37 AM   #1163
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such a good feeling that the reg who open sits 100/200 every day and has 11k open sitting 50/100 right now isn't topping up to cover my stack. played quite a bit of 5/10 with him and tbh I think he has an edge on me. I do have position though, that's probably why
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zooming to $500k in 6 months
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:31 AM   #1165
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zooming to $500k in 6 months
new thread?: 500k or busto

2500 -> 6100. book it
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:38 AM   #1166
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unbook it. lost 50bb at 50/100 lol. the whale of whales was playing. he ran up a 65k stack triple barrelling every hand. and he showed every bluff lmao, at least 5 absurd 0% eq bluffs for 5k+ pots. I ended up flopping trips with AT on AA9 my first hand. lost 25bb to this russian nit with AQ who opened from the HJ. couldn't get anything going from there, but I did have a fun bluff shove for a 2400 pot
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:57 AM   #1167
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the whale moved up to 100/200 and already spewed off 10k. so tempted but exercising restraint lol.

won 2200 back at 25/50 so +$800 overall at highstakes tonight
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Old 02-25-2019, 04:35 AM   #1168
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whale just stacked me with 33 in a 4bet pot at 25/50. I opened AA in the cutoff, he 3bet sb to 300, I 4bet to 750, he flats and we get it in on KT3 for his last 3k

put my last 5k (on this site) on the table. lfg

nvm he hit and ran lmao


ugh, between that hand and commerce losses this weekend (~2k) I lost ~10% of networth lol. done it before though, will probably happen again the way I shot take. just gunna take it easy and regrind in march

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Old 02-25-2019, 05:16 AM   #1169
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commerce was a great time though. tons of 5/10 and 10/20 action. I stuck to 5/10. lost about a buyin but played really solid overall. can't really remember any big hands, but I never updated after the last commerce trip. katokrazy made an appearance and livened up the table quite a bit haha. he ended up doing a blind shove for ~1k (1.3k?) when I opened QJ in the cutoff. I called and held kato definitely holds up to his sn haha - also great to play poker/gamble with. ended that trip up 2.5 or 3k I think.

new orleans was ****ing awesome. that was the best I've eaten over a 4 day period in a while. never had gumbo before but I've been craving it ever since. I don't like gravy but I tried a bicscuits/gravy/fried chicken combo and the gravy was daaaaank. had these little shrimp in it and just had the perfect texture/consistency to even out the biscuits/chicken.

the best place we went was definitely Commander's Palace. best gumbo of the trip there, and all their soups were good tbh. though they pushed the turtle soup hard and it was the worst one imo. we did the typical french quarter/bourbon street walks. we actually spent pretty much every night but one drinking on bourbon st haha. I managed to embarrass myself the first night: a waitress comes up to me and offers me this colorful 4shot combo (there's 4 tall shot glasses on a tray in a square). so I do the sensible thing and I put my mouth over all 4 and take it back. I swallowed, put the shots back on the tray and gave her the thumbs up. in the clear.

then somehow a little bit went down the wrong way. suddenly I'm gagging and within a half second it all came back up right into her face. I'm talking a ridiculous amount of alcohol. all over her face. and hair. she took it like an absolute champ though. she barely even gave me a look, then walks off and starts toweling her face down like she just got pulled out of a volleyball match. I walk over and slip her a benjie for having the chillest possible reaction to taking an explosion of alcohol to the dome. she immediately walks off and brings 2 new (free) shots

nothing toooo crazy happened though tbh. just drank way too much alcohol (like 20+ drinks/day for 4 days, that **** hurts) and did too much blow (but not really that much tbh, maybe 1/4g). I went way too hard the first 2 nights and had to sit out most of night 3, but I had such a good time I wouldn't change anything. hopefully I'll learn my lesson to pace myself some day. I also won 1.1k playing 45 min of blind drunk 2/3 at harrah's which freerolled over half the trip (the food/drinks was ~1k, flight/house $800).
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oh I also fired the lapc 1 million gt and got the most epic starting table. Kirk Acevado is sitting there 5 min early so we talk a bit before the tournament starts. then just before start time some old man sits down to my right who I could've swore looked just like Bill Klein. but nah, it can't be him. just kinda looks like him. early in the tournament he plays one of his first big pots and after saying something else he says, "it's my first poker tournament"

me being the fish that I am I chomped down hard on that bait. "hell of a first tournament man" whole table erupts. old man smiles, I'm like haha you got me, good one. after old man busts and a 2+2 member at the end of the table goes, "I can't believe you didn't know who bill klein is." lmao, so it was him.

tldr; the 18th richest man in the world/well known player on highstakes poker trolled me and I met a TV actor
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I bet mirage gets a 1/2 street of value here at most

iPoker - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 95 BB (VPIP: 40.91, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP: 171.8 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 21.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BTN): 151.4 BB
SB: 204.8 BB (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 27.27, Hands: 22)
BB: 105.7 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB raises to 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 2 players) 4 T K
SB checks, Hero bets 7.5 BB, SB calls 7.5 BB

Turn: (26 BB, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets 21 BB, SB calls 21 BB

River: (68 BB, 2 players) 7
SB checks, Hero bets 55 BB, SB raises to 171.3 BB, Hero calls 62.9 BB

Hero shows J K (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 41%, Flop 78%, Turn 86%)
SB shows A Q (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 59%, Flop 22%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 303 BB
SB wins 53.4 BB


oh look at that, top pair weak kicker won a 300bb pot. how funny


I feel like I'm running so bad this month. just checked and I'm at 10bb/100
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winding down the best session of my life. longer post incoming

iPoker - $10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
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UTG: 21.25 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG+1: 256.78 BB (VPIP: 28.93, PFR: 20.30, 3Bet Preflop: 3.41, Hands: 197)
MP: 286.5 BB (VPIP: 77.78, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 91)
MP+1: 181.45 BB (VPIP: 40.91, PFR: 19.19, 3Bet Preflop: 9.57, Hands: 199)
CO: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BTN): 468.04 BB
SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 169.71 BB (VPIP: 19.21, PFR: 10.84, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 203)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, MP calls 1 BB, MP+1 raises to 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 5 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 4 BB

Flop: (16.5 BB, 3 players) 2 2 9
MP checks, MP+1 bets 9.25 BB, Hero calls 9.25 BB, MP calls 9.25 BB

Turn: (44.25 BB, 3 players) 9
MP checks, MP+1 checks, Hero checks

River: (44.25 BB, 3 players) 6
MP checks, MP+1 checks, Hero checks

MP shows T Q (Two Pair, Nines and Twos)
(Pre 33%, Flop 25%, Turn 16%)
MP+1 shows A 4 (Two Pair, Nines and Twos)
(Pre 31%, Flop 15%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows 8 8 (Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
(Pre 36%, Flop 60%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins 43.85 BB


up 12k and wanna call it a night but I'm 300bb deep with both the whales in MP above. can't go to bed until they bust or leave

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Old 02-26-2019, 05:06 AM   #1173
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ffs ngl super jealous of your success ffs
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this table is wiiiiiiiild

iPoker - $10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 118.1 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 15)
SB: 261.83 BB (VPIP: 29.34, PFR: 20.66, 3Bet Preflop: 3.96, Hands: 243)
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 143.61 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 10.42, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
Hero (UTG+1): 484.7 BB
MP: 121.46 BB (VPIP: 18.88, PFR: 10.44, 3Bet Preflop: 6.42, Hands: 249)
CO: 394.09 BB (VPIP: 73.91, PFR: 30.43, 3Bet Preflop: 30.77, Hands: 23)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 4

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 5.65 BB, BTN calls 5.65 BB, SB calls 5.15 BB, fold

Flop: (17.95 BB, 3 players) Q K 9
SB checks, CO bets 5.12 BB, BTN raises to 13.24 BB, fold, CO calls 8.12 BB

Turn: (44.44 BB, 2 players) 2
CO checks, BTN bets 18.22 BB, CO calls 18.22 BB

River: (80.87 BB, 2 players) 5
CO bets 15.14 BB, BTN calls 15.14 BB

CO shows A Q (One Pair, Queens)

CO wins 110.75 BB
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