I see you are taking the Rapidesh method of moving down through the stakes.
GL
Better to move down than go busto lol. Tight brm(100 bi+) and controlled shots in very sweet line ups is the way to go imo, but playing with less than 30 bi even on a juicy game is still reckless.
I think people underestimate how much running bad at those higher stakes can hurt your mental game. And even running well could do that to you, if you have a nice session at nl1k and win 5 bi you could end up going for it again with worse table selection because you are overconfident.
It's a totally different game when you lose 5 bi in a row by making a marginal play and don't give a ****, now if you are always afraid of getting stacked, then you end up playing way worse (at least it's like that for me, maybe people who like to gamble can handle those swings better).
I think people underestimate how much running bad at those higher stakes can hurt your mental game. And even running well could do that to you, if you have a nice session at nl1k and win 5 bi you could end up going for it again with worse table selection because you are overconfident.
amen - and the survivors, the ones it goes well for are disproportionately loud with twitter graphs, pgc posts etc.
There is a big silent graveyard out there that you want to avoid.
amen - and the survivors, the ones it goes well for are disproportionately loud with twitter graphs, pgc posts etc.
There is a big silent graveyard out there that you want to avoid.
Yeah, just see how many guys here from p&g showed up with insane results, I can recall ja$onB and nathana2, both ran insanely well and started playing games they had no business playing and aren't in the game anymore.
That is also a very constant theme with players that have a more explo approach, they can actually beat the games for 10bbs while their exploits are working, but after people realize what they are doing, then they start losing so much. On top of that, it's way easier to tilt by playing wild west poker and start playing very suboptimal lines and making plays that are 100% -EV with 0 benefit even in explo poker(like bluffing vs a very nutted range that has 0 bluffs).
People often say bad things about people they think aren't good, but there are lots of guys out there who are managing to make a good living off poker despite not being very good at poker, with only a reasonable strategy + smart decisions outside of the tables, good mental game and good brm/table selection.
Ofc it's more exciting to see someone make insane amounts of money out of nowhere, but it's very easy to overlook the ones who went for it and went busto. Success often makes people blind, we humans think very highly of the ones with good results (maybe because of the way we evolved, to make it easier to form tribes?) and think they are always right, that their path is the only way and best way to go if you wanna have success.
I can see a lot of mental leaks of OP in this thread, like overvaluing his winrate, thinking 6bb/100 at nl500 isn't impressive, spending a lot on rent. You know that if you can manage a 6bb winrate at nl500 you are done for life, right? You could even retire in less than 10 years if you invest that money and spend it wisely.
If you wanna see if you are successful at poker or not, just compare it with your cost of opportunity: if you are making more at poker than you would be making otherwise, then you are successful. I can't see you making $9k/month outside of poker, so it's insane for me to see that for you 6bb/100 isn't a big achievement.
Better to move down than go busto lol. Tight brm(100 bi+) and controlled shots in very sweet line ups is the way to go imo, but playing with less than 30 bi even on a juicy game is still reckless.
I think people underestimate how much running bad at those higher stakes can hurt your mental game. And even running well could do that to you, if you have a nice session at nl1k and win 5 bi you could end up going for it again with worse table selection because you are overconfident.
It's a totally different game when you lose 5 bi in a row by making a marginal play and don't give a ****, now if you are always afraid of getting stacked, then you end up playing way worse (at least it's like that for me, maybe people who like to gamble can handle those swings better).
I have a set of rules that I do not break under any circumstances because of my addictive personality, would recommend same. Trust me on this amigo - you want an all or nothing policy with this kind of stuff, as anything addictive is also progressive and will find a way to sneak up on you if you’re not hyper vigilant.
Everyone is different, but I don’t touch any form of gambling that isn’t poker (I don’t even buy lotto tickets), and all my shots are calculated according to my roll, not other factors (“felt great, amazing game”, etc).
Keep on top of it and you’ll succeed man! As a successful poker player you have already shown you can maintain the level of self discipline necessary to do well in this industry. Ive got no doubt you can conquer the tendencies.
**fwiw, look around - PGC is mostly a graveyard of people who failed at this pursuit and its almost always smart and capable guys with life leaks, who started out with gambling for fun and games (flips, sports, random ****) and ended with problems that prevented them from succeeding. My favorite thing about poker is that success directly correlates with bringing your best every day. Take the pursuit seriously and you’ll be just fine
You know that if you can manage a 6bb winrate at nl500 you are done for life, right? You could even retire in less than 10 years if you invest that money and spend it wisely.
That’s a bit of a stretch unless you can somehow crank out 50k+ hands a month for 10 years str8.
You don’t see a pharmacist or other ~$100k professionals working 10 years and retiring. I think a lot of people over estimate returns you can achieve in investing.
Other than that I completely agree with your other points in your post.
That’s a bit of a stretch unless you can somehow crank out 50k+ hands a month for 10 years str8.
You don’t see a pharmacist or other ~$100k professionals working 10 years and retiring. I think a lot of people over estimate returns you can achieve in investing.
Other than that I completely agree with your other points in your post.
10 years is tough although it's def technically doable if you were to live frugally enough. 15ish years is very doable though with a reasonable lifestyle. The reason you don't see many people become financially independent that fast is because most people don't make wise decisions with their money and spend too much.
OP hasn't been making 8-9k/month though and most people aren't making that and it's only getting tougher. All OP needs to worry about right now is to get the hours in and keep expenses as low as possible.
I have a set of rules that I do not break under any circumstances because of my addictive personality, would recommend same. Trust me on this amigo - you want an all or nothing policy with this kind of stuff, as anything addictive is also progressive and will find a way to sneak up on you if you’re not hyper vigilant.
Everyone is different, but I don’t touch any form of gambling that isn’t poker (I don’t even buy lotto tickets), and all my shots are calculated according to my roll, not other factors (“felt great, amazing game”, etc).
Keep on top of it and you’ll succeed man! As a successful poker player you have already shown you can maintain the level of self discipline necessary to do well in this industry. Ive got no doubt you can conquer the tendencies.
**fwiw, look around - PGC is mostly a graveyard of people who failed at this pursuit and its almost always smart and capable guys with life leaks, who started out with gambling for fun and games (flips, sports, random ****) and ended with problems that prevented them from succeeding. My favorite thing about poker is that success directly correlates with bringing your best every day. Take the pursuit seriously and you’ll be just fine
thanks for the advice man, I appreciate it
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Better to move down than go busto lol. Tight brm(100 bi+) and controlled shots in very sweet line ups is the way to go imo, but playing with less than 30 bi even on a juicy game is still reckless.
I think people underestimate how much running bad at those higher stakes can hurt your mental game. And even running well could do that to you, if you have a nice session at nl1k and win 5 bi you could end up going for it again with worse table selection because you are overconfident.
It's a totally different game when you lose 5 bi in a row by making a marginal play and don't give a ****, now if you are always afraid of getting stacked, then you end up playing way worse (at least it's like that for me, maybe people who like to gamble can handle those swings better).
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
That is also a very constant theme with players that have a more explo approach, they can actually beat the games for 10bbs while their exploits are working, but after people realize what they are doing, then they start losing so much. On top of that, it's way easier to tilt by playing wild west poker and start playing very suboptimal lines and making plays that are 100% -EV with 0 benefit even in explo poker(like bluffing vs a very nutted range that has 0 bluffs).
People often say bad things about people they think aren't good, but there are lots of guys out there who are managing to make a good living off poker despite not being very good at poker, with only a reasonable strategy + smart decisions outside of the tables, good mental game and good brm/table selection.
agree with this
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
I can see a lot of mental leaks of OP in this thread, like overvaluing his winrate, thinking 6bb/100 at nl500 isn't impressive, spending a lot on rent. You know that if you can manage a 6bb winrate at nl500 you are done for life, right? You could even retire in less than 10 years if you invest that money and spend it wisely.
like I said, I don't want to get into semantics over the word "impressive", but to me a winrate that is only 1/2 what the best regs in the pool make, and one that I've achieved over a largish sample isn't all that impressive to me. that isn't to say it's not a great wr or that someone who can do it isn't a great poker player.
I still don't get the lolrent thing. my rent in california would be 3k+/month. I'm saving tons of money on rent in mexico
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
If you wanna see if you are successful at poker or not, just compare it with your cost of opportunity: if you are making more at poker than you would be making otherwise, then you are successful. I can't see you making $9k/month outside of poker, so it's insane for me to see that for you 6bb/100 isn't a big achievement.
I disagree. I don't play poker for the money. I could make way more money working most jobs in california. my brother is a firefighter and started at 85k/year. 3 years later he's making 165k before overtime. after ot he can easily clear 200k, plus ridiculous benefits. he had to go to school for it and the physical requirements aren't easy, but it's a great job (if you can actually find work - tons of people want to be firefighters in california). most jobs pay very well where I'm from. 9k/month is middle class, and not even really upper middle class unless you're single w/out kids
I was "supposed to" go the route of being a lawyer like my dad. if I wanted to I could finish school in a few months, do the law school grind for 3-4 years, then get a job at his law firm starting at over 10k/month. I'd rather play poker than work 60 hour weeks in an office though
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
All OP needs to worry about right now is to get the hours in and keep expenses as low as possible.
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
All OP needs to worry about right now is to get the hours in and keep expenses as low as possible.
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
All OP needs to worry about right now is to get the hours in and keep expenses as low as possible.
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played quite a bit the last 3 days. today not as much, but I was helping my boyfriend move into my place.
last 3 days at 200z:
3500 hands
+$1400 (+$750 ev)
last 3 days at button blind + antes nlhe:
2700 hands
+$300 (+$1100 ev)
button blind + ante results this month (pre rake):
thanks everyone for the advice/comments, really appreciate it as always. been crazy busy trying to get volume in and get settled with my boyfriend, so updates probably won't be spammed daily anymore lol
8 players post ante of 0 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop:(pot: 2.5 BB)Hero has A A
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, BTN raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 17.12 BB, BTN raises to 31 BB, Hero raises to 93.33 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 51.24 BB and is all-in
Flop:(166.99 BB, 2 players) 3 9 6
Turn:(166.99 BB, 2 players) J
River:(166.99 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 93%, Flop 99.7%, Turn 100%) BTN shows K A (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 7%, Flop 0.3%, Turn 0%) Hero wins 166.99 BB
What's new tgid? Everytime I check this thread there's about 4 new pages of reading and so I just jump to the last page. I see rapidesh is giving out advice , I hope you are okay <3
What's new tgid? Everytime I check this thread there's about 4 new pages of reading and so I just jump to the last page. I see rapidesh is giving out advice , I hope you are okay <3
Lol, quite a bit actually. Got an apartment in Portland in May, met my boyfriend in Rosarito 3 days before my move-in day at the beginning of June, cancelled the move, and he just moved in with me last week. I've more than ok - I've never been this happy before haha
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Tgigs, you have a yearly graph?
yup, ytd across all stakes:
ytd at 200nl:
ytd at 500nl:
Included the redline because I think it displays pretty well how I stopped fighting for pots/started playing ****ty when I hit a downswing. really excited to get back in the 500nl streets hopefully starting mid july
yo tgigs, saw you had a question in a diff thread and wanted to answer it here instead-
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anybody else every get disconnected and then the hand you were playing never shows up in your hh on ignition? just had the 2nd nuts in a 3bet pot otr, hit allin and it froze up. no idea if I got called or if I won the pot
just did the math between my account balance and pt4 and I guess he rivered the nuts because I'm missing a buyin. would be nice if I could confirm that though. guess im spending tomorrow on the phone with people who don't understand poker
download the table session from the client once it's made available 24 hours after the fact and then convert it, the hand you're looking for will be in there with all hole cards exposed.
another thing you can do, if you don't want to wait that long/don't have converter license and remember stacksizes/know which table it was- you can find a hand you played at the same table in HM2 or whatever shortly before the disconnect and get the hand # from the raw HH file. search that hand # in the IGN client and then move forward a couple hands to find the one where you disconnected. since you apparently got called and lost a stack, it'll show the bet/call on riv and his cards (and should be the last hand in the table string, as i'm guessing it closed your table out during/after the disconnect)
yo tgigs, saw you had a question in a diff thread and wanted to answer it here instead-
download the table session from the client once it's made available 24 hours after the fact and then convert it, the hand you're looking for will be in there with all hole cards exposed.
another thing you can do, if you don't want to wait that long/don't have converter license and remember stacksizes/know which table it was- you can find a hand you played at the same table in HM2 or whatever shortly before the disconnect and get the hand # from the raw HH file. search that hand # in the IGN client and then move forward a couple hands to find the one where you disconnected. since you apparently got called and lost a stack, it'll show the bet/call on riv and his cards (and should be the last hand in the table string, as i'm guessing it closed your table out during/after the disconnect)
thanks man. your second suggestion is what I did, but the hh wasn't anywhere in the IGN client. the last hand I could find was the one before the disconnect.