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08-20-2018 , 05:52 AM
H1. I folded KK once when I was sure they had AA after villain 5bet half his stack deep, over a cold 4, yet he had AKo, so I just go broke in these spots now.

H2. No idea why you are checking flop with that SPR. I jam flop and go broke or stack someone.


H4. I caught a sad nit folding QQ like that in basically the same spot the other day. They need a bullet.

H7. Pretty sure that turn sizing is not a thing. Jam it.

H10. This a punt, they play QQ plus like this all day. Just fold flop with JJ.


You sound tilted as fk in general.
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08-20-2018 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
H1. I folded KK once when I was sure they had AA after villain 5bet half his stack deep, over a cold 4, yet he had AKo, so I just go broke in these spots now.

H2. No idea why you are checking flop with that SPR. I jam flop and go broke or stack someone.


H4. I caught a sad nit folding QQ like that in basically the same spot the other day. They need a bullet.

H7. Pretty sure that turn sizing is not a thing. Jam it.

H10. This a punt, they play QQ plus like this all day. Just fold flop with JJ.


You sound tilted as fk in general.
h1 yeah i always just go broke obv as well but guy was a reg and reg is not jamming QQ/AK here enough especially when he has only put $5 in. i know it sounds ******ed but like i should probably just get stacked anyway because why the **** not i have KK

h2 yeah def jam flop is best.

h4 it's pretty funny where u have to balance vs anon whales that either overfold or overcall

h7 didn't want fish to fold

h10 if the only better hands he has is QQ then im down for jamming which is what i thought


i would be less tilted if i actually won an all in when i'm a favourite
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08-20-2018 , 08:43 AM
Lol, love your HHs, cant fold KK, man, its very std for the guy to jam Ak there as a bluff, you cpuld fold QQ though. In the AA hand 4-way its an easy fold, someone has a set in such a big mw pot. I prefer betting small otf to deny equity from people.
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08-20-2018 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Lol, love your HHs, cant fold KK, man, its very std for the guy to jam Ak there as a bluff, you cpuld fold QQ though. In the AA hand 4-way its an easy fold, someone has a set in such a big mw pot. I prefer betting small otf to deny equity from people.
yeah the problem is it's anon the guy has literally no incentive to bluff since in my spot the average anon player is underbluffing and because he opened 2.5x it's a reg and he knows this. i know i should just go broke and it's bad but i'll take the win lmao

AA hand 4 ways is pretty lol by me. i think i would rather just ship flop than bet-fold or bet-call but i can see merit in betting small regardless
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08-20-2018 , 08:58 AM
Shipping flop is a disaster mw, first of all, 3 other people saw the flop, all of them are calling all pps that have the biggest chance of outdrawing you otf. At least 20% of the time youre beat there, by jamming even vs whales they wont call any TP in there. Also when you jam, the next guy to act is in a sick spot with TP because there are more 2 people to act that could beat him.

Bet-call is terrible, your options are checking back or bet-folding on that board. I like checking back after thinking about the hand, because even though you give them a free card/lose some value, you get an insane amount of information by doing that. You basically can see what they are holding because people play so straightforward in mw pots.

Now x back and rejam is the worst play possible, you gave them free cards, didnt get value, saw you were beat and paid them off lol
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08-20-2018 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Shipping flop is a disaster mw, first of all, 3 other people saw the flop, all of them are calling all pps that have the biggest chance of outdrawing you otf. At least 20% of the time youre beat there, by jamming even vs whales they wont call any TP in there. Also when you jam, the next guy to act is in a sick spot with TP because there are more 2 people to act that could beat him.

Bet-call is terrible, your options are checking back or bet-folding on that board. I like checking back after thinking about the hand, because even though you give them a free card/lose some value, you get an insane amount of information by doing that. You basically can see what they are holding because people play so straightforward in mw pots.

Now x back and rejam is the worst play possible, you gave them free cards, didnt get value, saw you were beat and paid them off lol
i would prob rather jam than bet-fold or bet-call but yeah all options seem pretty bad.

the plan was initially to check back and see what happens on turn (mostly folding depending on what happens) but apparently after i saw they were ******ed i decided to shove a crayon up my nose and join the party
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08-21-2018 , 03:35 AM
Hand 1 KK: Yeah I don't see myself folding for 100bb

Hand 2 AA multiway: Yeah I think you know this was a mistake. I think I prefer betting just because these guys can literally have jto defending. The fact you get shown 66 from UTG defending vs a squeeze is testament they are defending too wide.

Hand 3 AK : Nice line! Deserved to get max value there

Hand 4 AsKs: Yeah must be nice to turn nut best card. Yeah lol at anyone folding QQ vs CO 4b range.

Hand 5 72ss : So how much did the table have to pay you extra for the 72 game?

Hand 6 A9o: yeah lmao at 3b size. Must be nice to know you aren't going broke on river.

Hand 7 AhKd: I think I would just explo jam turn because range is not folding even though your bet size is theoretically correct. As played river, you throw up on your keyboard and then click call because of the price and hope to god they show AJ.

Hand 8 AhQc: I like the flop stuff but on the diamond turn you definitely want to be checking back. Not a great card for your range as this card hits villain quite a bit after they call. If you had Qd or Kd seems ok to bet. And that is a pretty l0l fold by villain.

Hand 9 KhKc - Super standard. Surprised you get shown 66 here. Thought maybe 88 or JJ. Once again UTG over defending vs 3b with small pocket pairs...

Hand 10 JcJh - hmm this one is a lot grosser than the KK hand... I know you supposed to jam here with JJ but I will have to review this and check population tendencies. I probably call and turn jam. Once again villain just shouldnt have these small pocket pairs in UTG range which is the frustrating part...

Hand 11 QsTc: Yeah this is just standard idiots from blinds betting way too high freq. I just x/r any top pair here for value whether it be on turn or flop.
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08-21-2018 , 08:40 PM
imo zoom100 on stars is quite a bit tougher than zone200 on ignition.

source: i grinded z100-500 on stars this year, and coach a student that grinds zone200 on ignition.
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08-21-2018 , 08:43 PM
One ignored aspect is the 15 second time bank on zone which definately is a -ev factor and can cost you a lot when you dont have the luxury to tank like on stars. Plus higher rake, so the softer pool is negated in some ways.
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08-21-2018 , 09:37 PM
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08-21-2018 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Stroggoz
imo zoom100 on stars is quite a bit tougher than zone200 on ignition.

source: i grinded z100-500 on stars this year, and coach a student that grinds zone200 on ignition.
i'm just going off my experience, both seem really easy to me. it's hard to say if one is harder than the other when anon changes the dynamic/meta significantly. there are probably more whales as a proportion since It's main userbase is american and they're godawful but all of my reg friends in the pool are better than your average 100z reg (unless they are much better now vs. a year ago which i doubt)

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Originally Posted by mirage01
One ignored aspect is the 15 second time bank on zone which definately is a -ev factor and can cost you a lot when you dont have the luxury to tank like on stars. Plus higher rake, so the softer pool is negated in some ways.
you realise if ur a better player than your opponent having less time to think is an advantage right. everyone gets the same amount of time. no timebank is literally the best thing about ignition zone
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08-23-2018 , 09:37 AM
losing feels 100 times worse than winning feels good...

i haven't had fun playing in weeks

i can't win at all

every session is a battle to not lose 10 buy ins. i literally sit down and by default i start at a guaranteed -10 buy ins and have to play perfectly to break even. if i play my B-C game i will lose 5 buy ins.

every 80-20 feels like a flip. every flip feels like a 20-80. every set feels like a bluff. every 2nd nuts feels like a bluff.

having to hero fold amazing hands in crazy spots in massive pots and being right every single time is not meant to ****ing happen... where are my amazing coolers?? why do i have to hero fold every hand???

something is not right

time to take a day off to delude/trick myself for the 5th time this month and pretend like it will get better and i just need to keep playing well but i know in a week from now we will be back here again

but i honestly don't give a ****. i am too arrogant and too ambitious. i will literally withdraw my bankroll, buy a plane ticket to ignition HQ and suicide bomb myself before i give up.

i know i am playing well. i know i am winning for a decent chunk. i am working hard every day. it is easy to lose faith when the last month and a half have been cancerous. i will figure it out and i will quote this post when i do
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08-23-2018 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by baannii4
losing feels 100 times worse than winning feels good...

i haven't had fun playing in weeks

i can't win at all

every session is a battle to not lose 10 buy ins. i literally sit down and by default i start at a guaranteed -10 buy ins and have to play perfectly to break even. if i play my B-C game i will lose 5 buy ins.

every 80-20 feels like a flip. every flip feels like a 20-80. every set feels like a bluff. every 2nd nuts feels like a bluff.

having to hero fold amazing hands in crazy spots in massive pots and being right every single time is not meant to ****ing happen... where are my amazing coolers?? why do i have to hero fold every hand???

something is not right

time to take a day off to delude/trick myself for the 5th time this month and pretend like it will get better and i just need to keep playing well but i know in a week from now we will be back here again

but i honestly don't give a ****. i am too arrogant and too ambitious. i will literally withdraw my bankroll, buy a plane ticket to ignition HQ and suicide bomb myself before i give up.

i know i am playing well. i know i am winning for a decent chunk. i am working hard every day. it is easy to lose faith when the last month and a half have been cancerous. i will figure it out and i will quote this post when i do
Think it's safe to say everybody has gone through this at one point in time or another, I know for sure I have more then once. I don't know about you but I ended up having some personal thing in my life stop me from playing poker for a few weeks a little while back while I was in the middle of a nasty downswing. I ended up taking off almost 2 month now where I just returned to playing very very few hours every other couple nights, I only have been playing when I really felt like grinding or if I was running bad I would just close down the client call it a night and relax and do something else to keep my mind off playing. Now I am not saying you should take months off and yada yada but maybe a few days, weeks would probably help out a bit.

The thing that really stuck out to me is when you said Losing feels 100x worse the winning feels good and I couldn't agree more.

Good luck hopefully things can turn around soon and you will go on a BrokenStars type of heater in the near future ha.
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08-23-2018 , 06:27 PM
You sound totally tilted out of your mind. As mentioned by others I think you really need to take a bit of a break from poker, because if you can't accept run bad and try to force things, this game will drive you insane. If your destined to get destroyed for x amount of hands you just need to suck it up, which is obviously easier said than done. When it gets so stupid after a while I eventually just start laughing at the situation, and expecting it, rather than getting angry. Its a ******ed game.
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08-23-2018 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by baannii4
losing feels 100 times worse than winning feels good...

i haven't had fun playing in weeks

i can't win at all

every session is a battle to not lose 10 buy ins. i literally sit down and by default i start at a guaranteed -10 buy ins and have to play perfectly to break even. if i play my B-C game i will lose 5 buy ins.

every 80-20 feels like a flip. every flip feels like a 20-80. every set feels like a bluff. every 2nd nuts feels like a bluff.

having to hero fold amazing hands in crazy spots in massive pots and being right every single time is not meant to ****ing happen... where are my amazing coolers?? why do i have to hero fold every hand???

something is not right

time to take a day off to delude/trick myself for the 5th time this month and pretend like it will get better and i just need to keep playing well but i know in a week from now we will be back here again

but i honestly don't give a ****. i am too arrogant and too ambitious. i will literally withdraw my bankroll, buy a plane ticket to ignition HQ and suicide bomb myself before i give up.

i know i am playing well. i know i am winning for a decent chunk. i am working hard every day. it is easy to lose faith when the last month and a half have been cancerous. i will figure it out and i will quote this post when i do
Going through the same thing myself this past week and a half M8. I recently had the following revelation

When you get AA in vs KK and win, it doesn't feel good. When you get AA in vs KK and lose, it doesn't feel good. When you get KK in vs AA and win, it doesn't feel good.

Poker I think is rigged to make us feel net negative about how we're running almost always.

Anyway, back to your point. This past week for me has been indentical. Every time I flop a set or flush in a multiway pot, these villains check fold like clockwork. And then when they do put money in, I'm pipped by some turned or rivered two pair or something. Luckily, most of the time I'm sitting there laughing at how ridiculous the setups are and how there's nothing that can be done.

If you have any suggestions for how I can effectively suicide bomb all of China, I'd genuinely be open to listen. :')

On the real tho, I think this period of time is one of the most important parts of your poker career and how you proceed will determine whether you succeed or fail. Some ideas I've had while pondering the best approach through this abyss,

Volume: I don't recommend taking weeks off or extra days off like others have suggested. If you take an extended period off, you'll get ever so slightly more rusty and that'll just make things harder. Downswings need to be played through. Just like NBA coaches will often let their team play through adverse periods.

Only play though while you feel like you're playing solid. If you can look back on the session at any point and say that you're really happy with how you've been playing, keep playing, regardless of whether your up or down 5 buyins. As soon as you notice tilt or spew creeping in, quit at least for 10-20 mins to regroup. If this happens to me I'll often just quit for the day, but I'm currently under no pressure to put in volume.

When you have really terrible sessions riddled with mistakes, get closure asap. Review the next day, identify the problems, and then learn from them - i.e. what do we do differently in this spot next time.

If you can rinse and repeat this process of continuing to grind so long as you're playing solid, taking breaks/quitting when mistakes happen, and reviewing bad sessions afterwards to learn from mistakes, I think you'll come out on the other side alive.

Gl
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08-23-2018 , 08:16 PM
Lol bunch of Nancies.

I bet it's not even run bad. Just a trash reg being worse than other trash regs.
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08-23-2018 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SB12
Think it's safe to say everybody has gone through this at one point in time or another, I know for sure I have more then once. I don't know about you but I ended up having some personal thing in my life stop me from playing poker for a few weeks a little while back while I was in the middle of a nasty downswing. I ended up taking off almost 2 month now where I just returned to playing very very few hours every other couple nights, I only have been playing when I really felt like grinding or if I was running bad I would just close down the client call it a night and relax and do something else to keep my mind off playing. Now I am not saying you should take months off and yada yada but maybe a few days, weeks would probably help out a bit.

The thing that really stuck out to me is when you said Losing feels 100x worse the winning feels good and I couldn't agree more.

Good luck hopefully things can turn around soon and you will go on a BrokenStars type of heater in the near future ha.
thanks. i think taking longer off will definitely help reset mental but i don't think it's the best solution. it seems very inefficient and considering this has been going on for a while now i couldn't imagine taking extended breaks several times a month... there has to be a better solution.

haha i know so many regs going through some tough times lately and i'm pretty sure broken's massive upswing while playing drunk lowkey tilted everyone

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Originally Posted by mirage01
You sound totally tilted out of your mind. As mentioned by others I think you really need to take a bit of a break from poker, because if you can't accept run bad and try to force things, this game will drive you insane. If your destined to get destroyed for x amount of hands you just need to suck it up, which is obviously easier said than done. When it gets so stupid after a while I eventually just start laughing at the situation, and expecting it, rather than getting angry. Its a ******ed game.
yeah i'm fairly new to the grind (i prob have like ~200k hands lifetime online) and i'm pretty bad at letting results determine how good my day is. i agree, i need to suck it up. thanks for opening up your heart mirage!

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Originally Posted by meale
Going through the same thing myself this past week and a half M8. I recently had the following revelation

When you get AA in vs KK and win, it doesn't feel good. When you get AA in vs KK and lose, it doesn't feel good. When you get KK in vs AA and win, it doesn't feel good.

Poker I think is rigged to make us feel net negative about how we're running almost always.

Anyway, back to your point. This past week for me has been indentical. Every time I flop a set or flush in a multiway pot, these villains check fold like clockwork. And then when they do put money in, I'm pipped by some turned or rivered two pair or something. Luckily, most of the time I'm sitting there laughing at how ridiculous the setups are and how there's nothing that can be done.

If you have any suggestions for how I can effectively suicide bomb all of China, I'd genuinely be open to listen. :')

On the real tho, I think this period of time is one of the most important parts of your poker career and how you proceed will determine whether you succeed or fail. Some ideas I've had while pondering the best approach through this abyss,

Volume: I don't recommend taking weeks off or extra days off like others have suggested. If you take an extended period off, you'll get ever so slightly more rusty and that'll just make things harder. Downswings need to be played through. Just like NBA coaches will often let their team play through adverse periods.

Only play though while you feel like you're playing solid. If you can look back on the session at any point and say that you're really happy with how you've been playing, keep playing, regardless of whether your up or down 5 buyins. As soon as you notice tilt or spew creeping in, quit at least for 10-20 mins to regroup. If this happens to me I'll often just quit for the day, but I'm currently under no pressure to put in volume.

When you have really terrible sessions riddled with mistakes, get closure asap. Review the next day, identify the problems, and then learn from them - i.e. what do we do differently in this spot next time.

If you can rinse and repeat this process of continuing to grind so long as you're playing solid, taking breaks/quitting when mistakes happen, and reviewing bad sessions afterwards to learn from mistakes, I think you'll come out on the other side alive.

Gl
thanks. i agree with the volume thing - the goal is to play good and taking time off is counter productive to that unless your situation is making you play bad. your advice is really good. after talking with others a lot of people basically say the same thing. make sure you're reviewing, studying so that you can build confidence and have faith in your self and the system like you said. another thing i think is good is to change something up so that you're not constantly doing the same thing over and over and slowly losing your mind. like maybe the days you play, hours, starting a new hobby etc
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08-23-2018 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
Lol bunch of Nancies.

I bet it's not even run bad. Just a trash reg being worse than other trash regs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s
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08-23-2018 , 08:56 PM
only 200k online? no wonder your a mental fish.
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