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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Difficulties with how to study poker effectively
I'm not really 100% sure what the best method of "poker study" is tbh. Like at least with a game like chess, I know exactly what I need to do to improve my game: I know that I need to solve thousands of tactical problems, especially difficult ones that take 10-15 mins each to solve. I know that I can use databases to refine my opening repertoire. I know that I can analyse every game that I've just played by coming up with alternative moves on my own, then verifying those moves by using a chess engine.
But with poker, nothing is that clear cut. There aren't really "tactics" that you can solve, in the sense of just going through a puzzle, being put in random spots and having to figure out what you'd do here with this hand. There are preflop ranges which I can learn though, which I guess is comparable to learning an opening repertoire in chess, and there is also PioSolver, which I guess is comparable to a chess engine, so at least that's something. So maybe my best strategy is to run through hands I've just played, look for alternative ways I could've played them, then use PioSolver to verify my solution?
The real difficulty is though that PioSolver only tells you the GTO solution, not what's best in practice (exploitative). This is so vastly different to the game of chess, where the best move in theory is usually the best move in practice 95% of the time. In order to know what the best move in practice is (exploitative poker), you need to have a lot of information about how your opponent will typically respond, and unless you encounter that position a lot, you'll often just be in the dark, trying to speculate what they'd do with any given hand. So that makes studying so damn hard.
If I had access to a population database which told me how my opponents typically respond, I could plug that in to Pio using the "node lock" function and quickly learn what the optimal exploitative strategy is. But without knowing that, it's quite difficult. How does one go about acquiring a population database for a very specific game, such as 100nl on PokerBros?
I guess this is where courses come into play. Courses like Poker Detox often tell you how the population at a particular game (such as 200nl on Ignition) play, which allows you to devise a perfect counter-strategy using PioSolver. But as far as I'm aware, there are no courses that focus on something as oddly specific as 200nl 9-handed games on Diamond Union PokerBros. To me, this feels as futile as trying to find the area of a triangle where the only information you have is 1 side length and 1 angle. It's just not enough starting information to come up with a solution.
I'm not going to give up though. I'm going to put a lot of thought into this and try to figure out how I can be resourceful and how I can find a way to study this game, when so much information is lacking.
Does anyone have any solution to this problem? How do you study the game of poker, particularly when you reach a higher level and play in games that have an oddly specific culture/style of play to them? Should I just study what's GTO and simply resign myself to the fact that I'll never have enough information to play a good exploitative strategy? Or is there some method of "figuring out" how my opponents play and what their ranges are in any given spot?
I guess using a HUD will give me information about specific opponents, but if I'm constantly being put up against different opponents, then I need population data to guide me. I need to know population tendencies.
The best way to do this is to buy a HUD. About the same cost as the game weapons you bought which you're done with already.
Next best thing is to take a look at the database of someone you know for an hour or so and take notes. It is easy to find out what % of each situation of what people are doing. Most helpful in pf and flop situation. A friend should let you see it for free. If not, it won't cost much and you'll know they aren't a friend.
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
So that's what I decided to do today: just play. I put in a 2hr session and had a few interesting hands come up:
Hand 1: Mandatory jam in theory...
5-handed, $117 effective
UTG raises $2.50
SB calls $2.50
Hero 3bets $12.50 BB with QQ
UTG 4bets $28
SB folds
Hero 5bet jams $117
Hand 2: Boat vs blocker bet
5-handed, $200 effective
Hero raises $3 BTN with ATdd
BB 3bets $12
Hero calls $12
Flop ($26.50) Qs Th 7h
BB bets $8.25
Hero calls $8.25
Turn ($43) Qs Th 7h Ah
BB checks
Hero bets $17.50
BB calls $17.50
River ($78) Qs Th 7h Ah Tc
BB donks $32
What's going through my mind right now: I'm like 90% certain that BB has exactly AK and nothing else. Like I know you're not supposed to put your opponent on a specific hand, you're supposed to put them on a range of hands instead, but everything about the way he played just screams AK to me. There's a small chance he has AQ instead, but that's about it. So I'm thinking: how can I extract value? When people make these blocker bets, they typically fold to a raise, so should I just min click it back to $64, in an attempt to get a crying call, or should I just say "screw it" and jam it all-in because maybe it will look like a bluff? I decided to go with the latter option...
Hero jams $161.25
So I managed to lose $450 USD in 2 hours of playing, which gave me just the confidence boost I needed to return to the poker grind after my recent downswing. /s
But yeah, obviously not feeling great about these results... I thought I was due for a win after going on a $2600 USD downswing at online poker, followed by a $4k AUD downswing at live home games. But sometimes life just seems to give you all the good at once, followed by all the bad at once, instead of spreading it out nicely. What can you do?
This illustrates one of the bigger leaks you have. You judge the value of the play solely based on whether you won or lost. There is a strong correlation between how much you won in a session and how you rated you played. Most poker players suffer from the same leak. It is the reason in the LLSNL forum we actively discourage posting the results, even in a spoiler. Poker is one of the few activities where making the right decision can result in a negative result. Doesn't make it wrong. Although a 4 bet range for most players crushes QQ.
Casinos are built on people who believe they were due a win. However that is a minor leak. Unfortunately after 3 years of your posts, I have no hope that you'll develop the discipline to overcome the first one, let alone your other leaks.