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06-24-2020 , 04:31 AM
Just here to watch the journey to busto town. Is there any possible way you'll update us when your wife leaves you?
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06-24-2020 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SelimSuuuup
OP, is all your degeneracy from your mother's enabling?
Of course.
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06-24-2020 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
What people ITT don't realize is that half of RtPs 1,936 posts are in regards to people telling him how to live his life.

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The other half of his posts are about his chess accomplishments obviously
It's ironic that he could simply not click the 2+2 link in his favourites or simply not post, and not a single one of those people would have any say in his life
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06-24-2020 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by formula72
6bet

I am a Psychologist.

Your search for fulfillment will never be satisfied with poker. Use your strengths toward a rewarding goal. Poker isnt rewarding even when you succeed.

Hope this helps.
What field of psychology if you don't mind my asking? Do you work with clients?

It would be very unusual for any professional working in a therapeutic capacity to dictate to a client how they are supposed to find fulfillment based on their own worldview. It would be even more unusual to do so on an internet forum when it regards some person they have never met.

I'm not saying that I think you are completely wrong. I'm sure there are plenty of of unhappy poker players out there, but there are probably more than a few who are fairly balanced and content.
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06-24-2020 , 05:54 AM
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What field of psychology if you don't mind my asking? Do you work with clients?

It would be very unusual for any professional working in a therapeutic capacity to dictate to a client how they are supposed to find fulfillment based on their own worldview. It would be even more unusual to do so on an internet forum when it regards some person they have never met.

I'm not saying that I think you are completely wrong. I'm sure there are plenty of of unhappy poker players out there, but there are probably more than a few who are fairly balanced and content.



yup. exactly.
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06-24-2020 , 06:28 AM
In a professional setting it would be quite unusual but on a forum I think you should be blunt and not care as he will never be your patient. What ethical issues do you see wrong here?

6b is nothing more than a man child whom’s mother has been his fall back plan. He is quite the read though if you like watching people ruin their own lives over time and live in a delusional world.

Maybe we need help.
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06-24-2020 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Difficulties with how to study poker effectively

I'm not really 100% sure what the best method of "poker study" is tbh. Like at least with a game like chess, I know exactly what I need to do to improve my game: I know that I need to solve thousands of tactical problems, especially difficult ones that take 10-15 mins each to solve. I know that I can use databases to refine my opening repertoire. I know that I can analyse every game that I've just played by coming up with alternative moves on my own, then verifying those moves by using a chess engine.

But with poker, nothing is that clear cut. There aren't really "tactics" that you can solve, in the sense of just going through a puzzle, being put in random spots and having to figure out what you'd do here with this hand. There are preflop ranges which I can learn though, which I guess is comparable to learning an opening repertoire in chess, and there is also PioSolver, which I guess is comparable to a chess engine, so at least that's something. So maybe my best strategy is to run through hands I've just played, look for alternative ways I could've played them, then use PioSolver to verify my solution?

The real difficulty is though that PioSolver only tells you the GTO solution, not what's best in practice (exploitative). This is so vastly different to the game of chess, where the best move in theory is usually the best move in practice 95% of the time. In order to know what the best move in practice is (exploitative poker), you need to have a lot of information about how your opponent will typically respond, and unless you encounter that position a lot, you'll often just be in the dark, trying to speculate what they'd do with any given hand. So that makes studying so damn hard.

If I had access to a population database which told me how my opponents typically respond, I could plug that in to Pio using the "node lock" function and quickly learn what the optimal exploitative strategy is. But without knowing that, it's quite difficult. How does one go about acquiring a population database for a very specific game, such as 100nl on PokerBros?

I guess this is where courses come into play. Courses like Poker Detox often tell you how the population at a particular game (such as 200nl on Ignition) play, which allows you to devise a perfect counter-strategy using PioSolver. But as far as I'm aware, there are no courses that focus on something as oddly specific as 200nl 9-handed games on Diamond Union PokerBros. To me, this feels as futile as trying to find the area of a triangle where the only information you have is 1 side length and 1 angle. It's just not enough starting information to come up with a solution.

I'm not going to give up though. I'm going to put a lot of thought into this and try to figure out how I can be resourceful and how I can find a way to study this game, when so much information is lacking.

Does anyone have any solution to this problem? How do you study the game of poker, particularly when you reach a higher level and play in games that have an oddly specific culture/style of play to them? Should I just study what's GTO and simply resign myself to the fact that I'll never have enough information to play a good exploitative strategy? Or is there some method of "figuring out" how my opponents play and what their ranges are in any given spot?

I guess using a HUD will give me information about specific opponents, but if I'm constantly being put up against different opponents, then I need population data to guide me. I need to know population tendencies.
The best way to do this is to buy a HUD. About the same cost as the game weapons you bought which you're done with already.

Next best thing is to take a look at the database of someone you know for an hour or so and take notes. It is easy to find out what % of each situation of what people are doing. Most helpful in pf and flop situation. A friend should let you see it for free. If not, it won't cost much and you'll know they aren't a friend.

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So that's what I decided to do today: just play. I put in a 2hr session and had a few interesting hands come up:

Hand 1: Mandatory jam in theory...

5-handed, $117 effective
UTG raises $2.50
SB calls $2.50
Hero 3bets $12.50 BB with QQ
UTG 4bets $28
SB folds
Hero 5bet jams $117

Spoiler:
UTG snap calls $117
UTG shows AA
We run it once and UTG flops quads to scoop a $236 pot

Immediately after this hand, I started questioning the value of studying with Pio. Like if they're just going to have it every time, then does it even matter what the best play in theory is?


Hand 2: Boat vs blocker bet

5-handed, $200 effective
Hero raises $3 BTN with ATdd
BB 3bets $12
Hero calls $12

Flop ($26.50) Qs Th 7h

BB bets $8.25
Hero calls $8.25

Turn ($43) Qs Th 7h Ah

BB checks
Hero bets $17.50
BB calls $17.50

River ($78) Qs Th 7h Ah Tc

BB donks $32

What's going through my mind right now: I'm like 90% certain that BB has exactly AK and nothing else. Like I know you're not supposed to put your opponent on a specific hand, you're supposed to put them on a range of hands instead, but everything about the way he played just screams AK to me. There's a small chance he has AQ instead, but that's about it. So I'm thinking: how can I extract value? When people make these blocker bets, they typically fold to a raise, so should I just min click it back to $64, in an attempt to get a crying call, or should I just say "screw it" and jam it all-in because maybe it will look like a bluff? I decided to go with the latter option...

Hero jams $161.25

Spoiler:
BB thinks for 10 seconds (I'm just praying for a call here)
BB calls $161.25
BB shows QQ???!!!!
BB scoops a $400 pot

Did not expect that at all. *Sighs*


So I managed to lose $450 USD in 2 hours of playing, which gave me just the confidence boost I needed to return to the poker grind after my recent downswing. /s

But yeah, obviously not feeling great about these results... I thought I was due for a win after going on a $2600 USD downswing at online poker, followed by a $4k AUD downswing at live home games. But sometimes life just seems to give you all the good at once, followed by all the bad at once, instead of spreading it out nicely. What can you do?
This illustrates one of the bigger leaks you have. You judge the value of the play solely based on whether you won or lost. There is a strong correlation between how much you won in a session and how you rated you played. Most poker players suffer from the same leak. It is the reason in the LLSNL forum we actively discourage posting the results, even in a spoiler. Poker is one of the few activities where making the right decision can result in a negative result. Doesn't make it wrong. Although a 4 bet range for most players crushes QQ.

Casinos are built on people who believe they were due a win. However that is a minor leak. Unfortunately after 3 years of your posts, I have no hope that you'll develop the discipline to overcome the first one, let alone your other leaks.
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06-24-2020 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
But yeah, obviously not feeling great about these results... I thought I was due for a win after going on a $2600 USD downswing at online poker, followed by a $4k AUD downswing at live home games.
You lost most of the $2.6k in one day at 200nl and you lost all of the $4k in a stupid game where you were flipping for $1k and quintuple straddling so it almost feels like an insult to the rest of us grinders that this is what you consider a downswing and somehow you believe you're "due" a win as a result?

If I were a wealthy man I would prop bet you to play 10k hyper-turbo SNGs just so you can go through the pain of a real downswing.
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06-24-2020 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DianeAbbott
You lost most of the $2.6k in one day at 200nl and you lost all of the $4k in a stupid game where you were flipping for $1k and quintuple straddling so it almost feels like an insult to the rest of us grinders that this is what you consider a downswing and somehow you believe you're "due" a win as a result?



If I were a wealthy man I would prop bet you to play 10k hyper-turbo SNGs just so you can go through the pain of a real downswing.
Exactly. Downswing, rofl.

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06-24-2020 , 08:35 AM
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It would be very unusual for any professional working in a therapeutic capacity to dictate to a client how they are supposed to find fulfillment based on their own worldview.
"dictate"...buy a dictionary and explore "context" ffs

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In a professional setting it would be quite unusual but on a forum I think you should be blunt and not care as he will never be your patient. What ethical issues do you see wrong here?

6b is nothing more than a man child whom’s mother has been his fall back plan. He is quite the read though if you like watching people ruin their own lives over time and live in a delusional world.

Maybe we need help.
+1
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06-24-2020 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
The best way to do this is to buy a HUD. About the same cost as the game weapons you bought which you're done with already.

Next best thing is to take a look at the database of someone you know for an hour or so and take notes. It is easy to find out what % of each situation of what people are doing. Most helpful in pf and flop situation. A friend should let you see it for free. If not, it won't cost much and you'll know they aren't a friend.



This illustrates one of the bigger leaks you have. You judge the value of the play solely based on whether you won or lost. There is a strong correlation between how much you won in a session and how you rated you played. Most poker players suffer from the same leak. It is the reason in the LLSNL forum we actively discourage posting the results, even in a spoiler. Poker is one of the few activities where making the right decision can result in a negative result. Doesn't make it wrong. Although a 4 bet range for most players crushes QQ.

Casinos are built on people who believe they were due a win. However that is a minor leak. Unfortunately after 3 years of your posts, I have no hope that you'll develop the discipline to overcome the first one, let alone your other leaks.
This type of insightful character development screen writing will work for a dramatic series. However, our hero is an actor who's character has no meaningful development or follows any kind of arc. Our male lead has made it abundantly clear as to what he wants. He is the zany wild card. Lets focus on obscenely poor decision making and zero self awareness. Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.
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06-24-2020 , 09:30 AM
OP, get it through your head -- you are not due anything in poker!!! You are not due a win no matter how much you've lost.

Fix the goddamn mentality and you won't need to spend another $ on HUDs, solvers, coaches, training, and whatnot. All of these things are helpful to someone who has the first under control -- you don't!
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06-24-2020 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DianeAbbott
You lost most of the $2.6k in one day at 200nl and you lost all of the $4k in a stupid game where you were flipping for $1k and quintuple straddling so it almost feels like an insult to the rest of us grinders that this is what you consider a downswing and somehow you believe you're "due" a win as a result?
This is the main thing. He pissed away most of the bankroll at NL200 and a 5/10 (effective) PLO home game. Any "downswing" that has occurred at his main game has been very small and would've only been a small blip had he been grinding away at NL100 this entire time like he should be doing.

I would suggest grinding away a couple hundred hours at NL100 with strong results and a healthy bankroll and liferoll before thinking about anything higher, but then, his mental game is so weak that he would freak out again when he inevitably drops a couple buyins at NL200. So maybe the best course of action is just grind and grind for awhile to get himself to a healthier financial position, then work hard on the mental game.
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06-24-2020 , 11:18 AM
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6bet

I am a Psychologist.

Your search for fulfillment will never be satisfied with poker. Use your strengths toward a rewarding goal. Poker isnt rewarding even when you succeed.

Hope this helps.
Yeah poker is rewarding. Especially playing in live mtts the only form of poker i play.

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But yeah, obviously not feeling great about these results... I thought I was due for a win after going on a $2600 USD downswing at online poker, followed by a $4k AUD downswing at live home games.
You did well in online mtt's op. Why not move to live mtt's and just play chess until the casino re-opens?
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06-24-2020 , 12:52 PM
6bet

I am a Psychologist.

Stop being such a wussie. Your search for fulfillment will never be satisfied with playing so little. Use your strengths toward a rewarding goal like pushing through that downswing and shotting NL200 by the end of the month.

Hope this helps.
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06-24-2020 , 01:23 PM
If you really think about it, playing 1knl could be a "win-win situation" as well.
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06-24-2020 , 02:45 PM
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Agree on the part about people in casinos. But I wonder on what jobs you´d think give people fulfilment? I´m pretty sure the vast majority of people in employment don´t find fulfilment in whatever they do.
If you think OP can't derive any fulfillment through his career or work, where do you think he should derive fulfillment from?
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06-24-2020 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
6bet

I am a Psychologist.

Your search for fulfillment will never be satisfied with poker. Use your strengths toward a rewarding goal. Poker isnt rewarding even when you succeed.

Hope this helps.
Well this will become obvious to anyone that stays in the game long enough at a professional level. But this thread is a yolo adventure with not much thought behind it, and frankly, quite the fun ride Besides, this will go beyond both OP's (who should just think about starting to work on his mental game) and most posters's perspective on success in poker (and most will push back against it). Loved DGAF's thread for this precise subject though
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06-24-2020 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Saying “Poker isn’t rewarding even when you succeed” is like saying “protesting isn’t rewarding even when you succeed”. To each their own, don’t speak for others.

Also, everyone has a different definition of success. To some it could mean not answering to anyone else and working on your own schedule while making $50k/yr working 40 hours a week- all things which are achievable for “successful” poker players.
You can tell this is 6b posting on an alt account because the naive know it all 20 year old attitude and the dog**** metaphors that look like "facts and logic" to prove a point.

Spoiler:
I know it's not 6b alt account but you two were made for each other
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06-24-2020 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
If you think OP can't derive any fulfillment through his career or work, where do you think he should derive fulfillment from?
From posting hand histories on this thread.
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06-24-2020 , 05:02 PM
If I'm going to work 40hrs/wk to make $50k/yr I'd rather be a truck driver or Realtor or something.
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06-24-2020 , 05:07 PM
Fortunately, OP will never work 40 hours a week or make $50k in a year.
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06-24-2020 , 05:11 PM
Mental work isn't important for 6b? He actually (mostly through sheer mtt luck) made 5 figs on some shady pokersite but dumped 50% of it on any possibility anyone could piss away money. 150$ ubereats, diabloitems, 1k flips etc. It's funny to say that the money would have been way better spend by some thais

I advised OP weeks ago to get RIO's Mental Course but he responded that online learning isn't his thing :3 whatchagonnado?
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06-24-2020 , 05:36 PM
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If I'm going to work 40hrs/wk to make $50k/yr I'd rather be a truck driver or Realtor or something.
This. There's a world where 6b works 40h counting books or whatever people do with a business degree then he flips for 1k in his spare time. I wonder which of them is happier.

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Fortunately, OP will never work 40 hours a week or make $50k in a year.
Laughed at this one. Where does his week go? He woke up early to be productive, found out studying was hard and played 2 hours of poker. Where did the other 12 hours of daylight end up???
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